‘National moral disgrace’: Over 1 in 5 US children on food stamps & living in poverty

[B00Mer]

Re: ‘National moral disgrace’: Over 1 in 5 US children on food stamps & living in pov

And the choice to eat that food is who's?

Sometimes you're so poor and so hungry.. a bag of chips and a soda is filling enough. Doesn't offer any nutritional benefits, but it fills you up for the time being.

 

[EagleSmack]

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But here is the straight dope.. all over the USA there is massive poverty. Mostly in the Urban centers of Los Angeles, New York, Miami, Dallas, Houston, Chicago and so on..

Of course it is mostly urban areas. We all know who runs those places.

Would you hire a people that are not clean, smells bad, cloths ripped or old.. it's a perpetual downturn.

How do you climb out of homelessness??

Get clean.

At any rate... most homeless have mental problems.

Sometimes you're so poor and so hungry.. a bag of chips and a soda is filling enough. Doesn't offer any nutritional benefits, but it fills you up for the time being.

And the place that you buy the bag of chips and soda... is that all they sell?

 

[B00Mer]

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At any rate... most homeless have mental problems.

Great way to sweep it under the carpet.

 

[EagleSmack]

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Great way to sweep it under the carpet.

It is true.

For the homeless ones that do not have mental issues most often have addiction issues.

For the homeless that have neither mental or addiction issues have no business being on the street. If I lose everything right this moment I would not find myself on the street. I would find myself collecting a welfare check and living in provided housing with my SNAP card for all the food I would ever need. I'd even have money leftover for lottery and booze.

 

[B00Mer]

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And the place that you buy the bag of chips and soda... is that all they sell?

Look, in British Columbia when the NDP was in power there was no homeless. SERIOUS.

As a Canadian, I was pretty proud of that. I had moved to the states and traveled around, saw allot.

I return to Vancouver several years later (15 years) to find under a Liberal Government that homelessness was rapid. I was shocked, and very sad to see Canada not caring for the poor.

Dam near every corner store I went into, there was somebody sleeping in a doorway.

I always purchased a Ham Sandwich and a Milk for the person and gave it to them when I left. I think I went through a few thousand dollars that month in Free Sandwiches.

This is Vancouver now..

THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN A COUNTRY LIKE CANADA!!

 

[MHz]

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Chips and pop is not food in the real world.

Is the book called, 'How to succeed without really trying.'

 

[Twila]

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Food with no nutritional benefits.. is the point she was making..

But here is the straight dope.. all over the USA there is massive poverty. Mostly in the Urban centers of Los Angeles, New York, Miami, Dallas, Houston, Chicago and so on..

Same **** with Canada..

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Would you hire a people that are not clean, smells bad, cloths ripped or old.. it's a perpetual downturn.

How do you climb out of homelessness??

I know of surprised at the high and mighty on this forum that at any moment could end up just like these people with your hand out..

Yes, that is the point I was making. Nurtitional starvation effects the brain, it effects the decisions you make (or don't make) it effects your ability to function properly. How you control you emotions. Negative emotions are the trigger for addiction and substance abuse.

Like you pointed out, Boomer, nobody is going to hire someone who looks homeless, smells homeless. If they are fortunate enough to still have mental stability and can get cleaned up for the interview. How are they going to manage getting to the job everyday without an alarm clock? How are they going to pull a full 8 hours work when they haven't anything to eat and haven't had a proper meal in a day or more?

It's not the chastised and punished in society who flourish and succeed. It's those that were encouraged, helped and treated well. A punishing society sets up it's citizens for failure.

 

[B00Mer]

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It is true.

For the homeless ones that do not have mental issues most often have addiction issues.

For the homeless that have neither mental or addiction issues have no business being on the street. If I lose everything right this moment I would not find myself on the street. I would find myself collecting a welfare check and living in provided housing with my SNAP card for all the food I would ever need. I'd even have money leftover for lottery and booze.

WOW, you assume you would be able to collect a Welfare Check..

I'm going to play Social Worker.. do you have all your ID? I want to see your Rent receipts from your last place of residence (you have to prove you are at the right office), Water and Power Receipts, Bank Accounts for the last 3 months, any investments and car(s).

Come back to the office when you have all that..

In the meantime, you can try to stay at one of these shelters, get there early, because they fill up fast.

Here is a couple of bus tokens and a meal voucher.

Pine Street Inn
444 Harrison Avenue
Boston, MA, United States
+1 617-892-9100

Sancta Maria House
11 Waltham Street
Boston, MA, United States
+1 617-423-4366

Harvard Square Homeless Shelter
66 Winthrop Street
Cambridge, MA, United States
+1 617-547-2841

Crossroads Family Shelter
56 Havre Street
East Boston, MA, United States
+1 617-567-5926

Woods Mullens Shelter
8 Hosmer Street
Mattapan, MA, United States
+1 617-534-7100

Cardinal Medeiros Center
25 Isabella Street
Boston, MA, United States

Okay, now your off to the first location.. it's full..

You try the second, it's full.. you used up your bus tokens..

Now your off to the 3rd location.. walking. It's 5 miles away and you have 3 bags of clothes and belongings..

Remember, no money for a phone call and it's almost 7:00PM. Chances are the shelters are all filled up, you might get lucky and find one with a floor mat..

You also realize that all your belongings, shoes, clothes could get stolen while at the shelter, so maybe it's not that secure of a place..

You opt out to sleep on the streets in a park.. You are NOW Homeless and no place to shower.

Your meal voucher is only $10.. what can you buy for 10 bucks.. junk food is cheap and you want to buy enough to last a few days..

1 Sandwich is $4, but you can get 4 bags of chips for $4. You go for the chips.

So the Cycle begins.

P.S. I used to work for the Government as a Social Worker in Ontario 23 years ago...

 

[Twila]

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And the choice to eat that food is who's?

If you've never been taught about proper nutrition and/or if all that's available to you is processed sugared food...

When you're poor, in poverty, or homeless you don't get to choose the types of food you are given.

When I was on welfare and I visited the food bank, I wasn't given a shopping cart to pick the foods I wanted. It's not a grocery store.

When I volunteered at a local neighbourhood house, the thing I learned about first is that if you have not been raised by parents who understand the importance of nutrition, you will not know the importance of nutrition.

Look how many people think that pop is an acceptable beverage for hydration. And look at how many people think it's ok to have a can of pop a day and they give it to their kids with their lunch.

 

[EagleSmack]

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WOW, you assume you would be able to collect a Welfare Check..

I would most certainly be able to collect a welfare check! Absolutely.

First I would collect unemployment. Before that runs out I am already applying for SNAP and my EBT card. I am applying for subsidized or provided housing. I am getting all my ducks in a row. I am doing research for my new life as a dependent of the state.

I'm going to play Social Worker.. do you have all your ID? I want to see your Rent receipts from your last place of residence (you have to prove you are at the right office), Water and Power Receipts, Bank Accounts for the last 3 months, any investments and car(s).

Come back to the office when you have all that..

See you tomorrow!

In the meantime, you can try to stay at one of these shelters, get there early, because they fill up fast.

Here is a couple of bus tokens and a meal voucher.



Pine Street Inn
444 Harrison Avenue
Boston, MA, United States
+1 617-892-9100

Won't need to. I have this all planned out. I am neither mental nor addicted. I will be back tomorrow with all of the required information.

Okay, now your off to the first location.. it's full..

You try the second, it's full.. you used up your bus tokens..

Now your off to the 3rd location.. walking. It's 5 miles away and you have 3 bags of clothes and belongings..

Remember, no money for a phone call and it's almost 7:00PM. Chances are the shelters are all filled up, you might get lucky and find one with a floor mat..

You also realize that all your belongings, shoes, clothes could get stolen while at the shelter, so maybe it's not that secure of a place..

You opt out to sleep on the streets in a park.. You are NOW Homeless and no place to shower.

Your meal voucher is only $10.. what can you buy for 10 bucks.. junk food is cheap and you want to buy enough to last a few days..

1 Sandwich is $4, but you can get 4 bags of chips for $4. You go for the chips.

So the Cycle begins.

P.S. I used to work for the Government as a Social Worker in Ontario 23 years ago...

Wow... that homeless guy you imagined was totally unprepared! He probably has mental issues or addiction issues to screw up so badly.

 

[MHz]

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WOW, you assume you would be able to collect a Welfare Check..

I'm going to play Social Worker..
P.S. I used to work for the Government as a Social Worker in Ontario 23 years ago...

Here is the webpage for the application, thank you have a nice day. The first customers are the current social workers. Kids get their own cards that get filled when they login to the online school as the closing of the useless Govt services has seen a change to 4&B in the black just for those few services being 'made efficient', now we come to the useless eaters, excess govt, are they going to vote down social assistance when they are looking at a pink-slip with their name on it?
When unemployment is at 20% you don't run expensive schools to train a population to have the jobs that will never be available.
You could even make the schools the soup kitchen and the kids take food home to their one or two parents that are registered and show up for at least one interview. The orphaned children are allowed to feed the people at the fence during recess only. There you go, win, win.

I would most certainly be able to collect a welfare check! Absolutely.

First I would collect unemployment. Before that runs out I am already applying for SNAP and my EBT card. I am applying for subsidized or provided housing. I am getting all my ducks in a row. I am doing research for my new life as a dependent of the state.

See you tomorrow!

Won't need to. I have this all planned out. I am neither mental nor addicted. I will be back tomorrow with all of the required information.

Wow... that homeless guy you imagined was totally unprepared! He probably has mental issues or addiction issues to screw up so badly.

Somebody in Boston might get to feel what welfare is like just because weather makes going out impossible. On welfare it is an empty bank account. Did you know that damp snow exposed to freezing conditions end up being an ice cube and melting is the only way to move it.

Scan it and make it into a 'kit' you paypal for $0.99

 

[EagleSmack]

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If you've never been taught about proper nutrition and/or if all that's available to you is processed sugared food...

Taught proper nutrition. From first grade we are and I went to school in an urban environment.

It is all about ease and taste.

Any place they sell processed sugared food you will find healthy food unless you are in a candy store. Any quick mart, fast food joint, they all sell healthy foods these days.

A Big Mac and Whopper with fries simply tastes better than the salad with chicken.

When you're poor, in poverty, or homeless you don't get to choose the types of food you are given.

You most certainly do! And a lot of it is free!

When I was on welfare and I visited the food bank, I wasn't given a shopping cart to pick the foods I wanted. It's not a grocery store.

Well that is Canada and I can't speak for Canada.

Our people on Welfare do not need to go to a food bank, they can go right in the super market and they do and use their SNAP cards (food stamps). If they choose to use a food bank well that is all free and donated food and there is a lot of healthy stuff there. I've seen them. The difference is the food bank is FREE so there probably is a tough time keeping the good stuff stocked.

When I volunteered at a local neighbourhood house, the thing I learned about first is that if you have not been raised by parents who understand the importance of nutrition, you will not know the importance of nutrition.

Probably. Plus it is easier being lazy and fed. Easier to go to BK or Taco Belle or the local take out.

I think many would laugh at nutrition classes. C'mon, people in poverty aren't stupid. They know that a grilled chicken salad is better than a Quarter Pounder. A Quarter Pounder Meal tastes better and is more filling.

Look how many people think that pop is an acceptable beverage for hydration. And look at how many people think it's ok to have a can of pop a day and they give it to their kids with their lunch.

I doubt anyone drinking a coke is even thinking of hydration. They are just having a coke.

Never ran into any. Not growing up or later in life.

Somebody in Boston might get to feel what welfare is like just because weather makes going out impossible. On welfare it is an empty bank account. Did you know that damp snow exposed to freezing conditions end up being an ice cube and melting is the only way to move it.

Scan it and make it into a 'kit' you paypal for $0.99

huh?

 

[Twila]

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Wow... that homeless guy you imagined was totally unprepared! He probably has mental issues or addiction issues to screw up so badly.

So is he less deserving of help, then someone who "has it together" but needs a hand out?

Mental disorders lead to addictions.

Mental disorders are not the fault of those who suffer.



Those who have never suffered, never gone hungry, or had bad luck are very fortunate and lucky. One would hope that with their good fortune they'd be happy, content and generous of heart. Turns out this is not the case.

Taught proper nutrition. From first grade we are and I went to school in an urban environment.

It is all about ease and taste.

Any place they sell processed sugared food you will find healthy food unless you are in a candy store. Any quick mart, fast food joint, they all sell healthy foods these days.

A Big Mac and Whopper with fries simply tastes better than the salad with chicken.



You most certainly do! And a lot of it is free!



Well that is Canada and I can't speak for Canada.

Our people on Welfare do not need to go to a food bank, they can go right in the super market and they do and use their SNAP cards (food stamps). If they choose to use a food bank well that is all free and donated food and there is a lot of healthy stuff there. I've seen them. The difference is the food bank is FREE so there probably is a tough time keeping the good stuff stocked.



Probably. Plus it is easier being lazy and fed. Easier to go to BK or Taco Belle or the local take out.

I think many would laugh at nutrition classes. C'mon, people in poverty aren't stupid. They know that a grilled chicken salad is better than a Quarter Pounder. A Quarter Pounder Meal tastes better and is more filling.



I doubt anyone drinking a coke is even thinking of hydration. They are just having a coke.

Never ran into any. Not growing up or later in life.

On this we are going to have to agree to disagree. My experiences, both personal and professional have taught me what I've posted about. I am not of hardened heart and I am not of the mindset that a helping hand is ever wasted. I hope to never have my heart hardened to those in need.

 

[EagleSmack]

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So is he less deserving of help, then someone who "has it together" but needs a hand out?

Hey that was Boomer trying to paint all homeless/poor with one brush. That was him trying to say... THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND NOTHING ELSE.

Mental disorders lead to addictions.

And people without mental disorders can get addicted.

Mental disorders are not the fault of those who suffer.

I agree.

Those who have never suffered, never gone hungry, or bad luck are very fortunate and lucky. One would hope that with their good fortune they'd be happy, content and generous of heart. Turns out this is not the case.

I am all that. In fact I USED to give so much that my phone would ring off the hook and my mail box was jammed full of charities looking for money.

There is a difference between the truly poor and down trodden to those they have chosen welfare as a career choice.

 

[Twila]

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Hey that was Boomer trying to paint all homeless/poor with one brush. That was him trying to say... THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND NOTHING ELSE.



And people without mental disorders can get addicted.



I agree.





I am all that. In fact I USED to give so much that my phone would ring off the hook and my mail box was jammed full of charities looking for money.

There is a difference between the truly poor and down trodden to those they have chosen welfare as a career choice.

Your are right. there is a difference. I was arguing for those who didn't choose. I see where you are coming from. so, maybe on this we can agree. after all.

 

[EagleSmack]

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On this we are going to have to agree to disagree. My experiences, both personal and professional have taught me what I've posted about. I am not of hardened heart and I am not of the mindset that a helping hand is ever wasted. I hope to never have my heart hardened to those in need.

Sorry Twila... when I see people whip out EBT cards and SNAP cards then drive off in SUVs, have $100 sneakers... I sort of get hardened. I would never pay for an SUV nor have I ever paid for a pair of $100 sneakers for me or my kids.

It is not a myth... I see it all the time. It may not happen it your little corner of Canada... but in my little corner of America it happens always.

It Southie last fall a whole group of young men... 18+ all lined up with their SNAP cards getting their Red Bull's and garbage... then piling into their car. I told my mom who grew up poor in Southie and she said she knows how it is now there... it is so disgusting. It is all free if you know how to get it.

I could go on and on.

 

[B00Mer]

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Here is the webpage for the application, thank you have a nice day. The first customers are the current social workers. Kids get their own cards that get filled when they login to the online school ....

OK, well I guess times have changed.. apply for Welfare online. Classic, a homeless person has access to the Internet. No wonder they are homeless, they can't even get welfare. :lol:

Hey that was Boomer trying to paint all homeless/poor with one brush. That was him trying to say... THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND NOTHING ELSE.

That's a lie!!!

I posted earlier about the abuse. People going to Food Banks in Mercedes and smoking cigarettes.

Anyhow, I'm glad to hear you can get Welfare if needed.. :lol:

I NEVER can.. I would never qualify.

 

[EagleSmack]

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That's a lie!!!

I posted earlier about the abuse. People going to Food Banks in Mercedes and smoking cigarettes.

Anyhow, I'm glad to hear you can get Welfare if needed.. :lol:

I NEVER can.. I would never qualify.

I'm not lying bro.

You were playing social worker and telling me (all of us) a detailed scenario of how it would play out. I was disagreeing. I responded to Twila...

Ach... just reread it all... you'll see.

 

[Angstrom]

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We could start a new thread based on that statement. :lol: I've seen squirrels squished by cars, but never one naturally skinny.

I've seen humans hit by cars any connection you think?

 

[EagleSmack]

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I NEVER can.. I would never qualify.

You now live in Canada so i cannot say.

Down here you would certainly qualify IF you decided you no longer were going to work and wanted that life. OR you would qualify if you legitimately fell on hard times.

A friend that I grew up with. Both of his sister's sons collect social security and welfare. They simply do not work and will not. Therefore they get checks. Simple.

A relative of mine... same thing. College grad... everything was taken care up to graduation. When it came down to getting a job... he couldn't cope with working 40 hours and being accountable. Social security and a mental disability check.

It is simple!