Muslims want sharia law in UK
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Re: RE: Muslims want sharia law in UK
It was a land occupied by hundreds of seperate tribes. Being a country implies a certain level of national unity, certain laws, political structures...
Really, there were no countries in the world until about the 1700's. Before that, the world was made up of collections of Fiefdoms, tribal territories, etc.
And the Muslims that want Sharia law in Britain can go directly to Iran. I hear they're doing good with it! Really, this is madness. Britain should not have to put up with this garbage. Any more of this pro-terrorism Sharia garbage and the UK will probably close its borders to Muslims completely, which will hurt Muslims much more than the Brits.
darkbeaver said:
It was a land occupied by hundreds of seperate tribes. Being a country implies a certain level of national unity, certain laws, political structures...
Really, there were no countries in the world until about the 1700's. Before that, the world was made up of collections of Fiefdoms, tribal territories, etc.
And the Muslims that want Sharia law in Britain can go directly to Iran. I hear they're doing good with it! Really, this is madness. Britain should not have to put up with this garbage. Any more of this pro-terrorism Sharia garbage and the UK will probably close its borders to Muslims completely, which will hurt Muslims much more than the Brits.
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Heh!!!! Octivian (Augustus) wasn't born in the UK, secondly he was a pagan and stayed a pagan for all his life. Thirdly you might be thinking of Constantine the first who was born in Naissus. Even he was a pagan all his life but accepted semi-converted to Christanity because he saw the benifit of uniting the Romans under one good.
Perhaps..... You should re-think what you have said...
Daz_Hockey said:
Heh!!!! Octivian (Augustus) wasn't born in the UK, secondly he was a pagan and stayed a pagan for all his life. Thirdly you might be thinking of Constantine the first who was born in Naissus. Even he was a pagan all his life but accepted semi-converted to Christanity because he saw the benifit of uniting the Romans under one good.
Perhaps..... You should re-think what you have said...
My understanding is that participation to any kind of arbitration is voluntary. I support (in theory) the right for people to seek alternatives to resolving their disputes without involving the law, but it certainly has to be voluntary. If one of the participants is not content with the resolution achieved they could go to the law to seek a more favorable outcome as that is the rule that governs every canadian.
My own personal view of religious arbitration is that it makes people vulnurable to coersion. Failure to subject oneself to an arbitration outside the law (but not above it) could result to consequences reaching beyond the dispute. Such as being austrosised from the community and culture, losing all their friends, financial support from husbands and being cut off from family members, even their own kids. Religions that segregate their members are particularly vulnerable to this kind of coersion. In the ME, the practice of shiria law is terrible to woman rights but that would not be the case here because the arbitration doesnt define a persons right (again in theory).
Im very glad that Ontario has choosen to get rid of all religious arbitration. It was a brave move on the part of the Ontario government. They were put in a bad spot, where precedence was threatening to allow a great injustice. They chose well.
My own personal view of religious arbitration is that it makes people vulnurable to coersion. Failure to subject oneself to an arbitration outside the law (but not above it) could result to consequences reaching beyond the dispute. Such as being austrosised from the community and culture, losing all their friends, financial support from husbands and being cut off from family members, even their own kids. Religions that segregate their members are particularly vulnerable to this kind of coersion. In the ME, the practice of shiria law is terrible to woman rights but that would not be the case here because the arbitration doesnt define a persons right (again in theory).
Im very glad that Ontario has choosen to get rid of all religious arbitration. It was a brave move on the part of the Ontario government. They were put in a bad spot, where precedence was threatening to allow a great injustice. They chose well.
Anyhow I'm against any religious arbitration, even if some may see it as a cheap way of solving the back log in the courts. I think Canada is an enlightend and seculer nation and using one religin over another is wrong too. If you read our constitution it's that simple.
RE: Muslims want sharia l
nah Finder does have a point, I've read "the Da Vinci" code too......sorry it's a english myth....my bad, but England is indeed, from even before "Constantine" who was indeed who I meant, (never heard the Jerusalem song?...supposedly Mary visited england, but apparently so did jesus and his uncle Joseph), so it's been a christian country far longer than that, although there is no proof Constantine was born in britain, he was certainly posted there.
nah Finder does have a point, I've read "the Da Vinci" code too......sorry it's a english myth....my bad, but England is indeed, from even before "Constantine" who was indeed who I meant, (never heard the Jerusalem song?...supposedly Mary visited england, but apparently so did jesus and his uncle Joseph), so it's been a christian country far longer than that, although there is no proof Constantine was born in britain, he was certainly posted there.
Re: RE: Muslims want sharia l
He could have been for a time.
But You are partly right. BUT at the time of the Roman Empire the UK (modern terms here) was Celtic Pagan... It wasn't until the dark ages that a lot of the UK was converted. But you are right thats still a long history. But instead of Black and white, or religion X vs Y, why not just have a modern seculer society which we pretty much have. It's just lazyness which has allowed religion back into the state. I think the French have it right with there seculer laws which limit the amount of religous symbols by any religion. Though the French have a very long Republican civic history.
Daz_Hockey said:
He could have been for a time.
But You are partly right. BUT at the time of the Roman Empire the UK (modern terms here) was Celtic Pagan... It wasn't until the dark ages that a lot of the UK was converted. But you are right thats still a long history. But instead of Black and white, or religion X vs Y, why not just have a modern seculer society which we pretty much have. It's just lazyness which has allowed religion back into the state. I think the French have it right with there seculer laws which limit the amount of religous symbols by any religion. Though the French have a very long Republican civic history.
Re: RE: Muslims want sharia law in UK
And guess what... these Native American Tribes were at constant war with each other. I read that the Iriquoise (sic) did more to the dissolution of smaller tribes and their cultures in America than the US did. Once the Iriquoise conquered your tribe your culture was gone by the point of an arrow. You adapted to their way of life and that was that.
Native Americans are humans too. They are not these mystical people of everlasting peace and unity of nature.
Another fact is the mass extinction of mammals about the same time Native Americans crossed from Asia.
Doryman said:
And guess what... these Native American Tribes were at constant war with each other. I read that the Iriquoise (sic) did more to the dissolution of smaller tribes and their cultures in America than the US did. Once the Iriquoise conquered your tribe your culture was gone by the point of an arrow. You adapted to their way of life and that was that.
Native Americans are humans too. They are not these mystical people of everlasting peace and unity of nature.
Another fact is the mass extinction of mammals about the same time Native Americans crossed from Asia.
Re: RE: Muslims want sharia law in UK
If you are talking about the destruction of the Huron it was asasperated by the envolvment of the French and English. Largly the English because the French didn't get as involved in arms dealing as the English. Plus the Huron/Iriquoise were the same ethnic group and culture, it is just that the Huron chose not to join the Iriquoise confederation and then with the envolvment of the English and French playing both sides against each other and the unbalanced relationship between that of the French and Huron compaired to the English and Iriquoise, was the actually leading cause the the Huron's defeat. Beside's this I know of know other larege scale conflics the Huron/Iriquoise had with tribes. It is actually the norm before north american's came to North America that captive natives would be humilated but allowed to leave after around 3 days. Also They often didn't take settments and left them alone. They would raid for cattle, food and tools but thats about it.
EagleSmack said:
If you are talking about the destruction of the Huron it was asasperated by the envolvment of the French and English. Largly the English because the French didn't get as involved in arms dealing as the English. Plus the Huron/Iriquoise were the same ethnic group and culture, it is just that the Huron chose not to join the Iriquoise confederation and then with the envolvment of the English and French playing both sides against each other and the unbalanced relationship between that of the French and Huron compaired to the English and Iriquoise, was the actually leading cause the the Huron's defeat. Beside's this I know of know other larege scale conflics the Huron/Iriquoise had with tribes. It is actually the norm before north american's came to North America that captive natives would be humilated but allowed to leave after around 3 days. Also They often didn't take settments and left them alone. They would raid for cattle, food and tools but thats about it.
Re: RE: Muslims want sharia law in UK
If you are talking about the destruction of the Huron it was asasperated by the envolvment of the French and English. Largly the English because the French didn't get as involved in arms dealing as the English. Plus the Huron/Iriquoise were the same ethnic group and culture, it is just that the Huron chose not to join the Iriquoise confederation and then with the envolvment of the English and French playing both sides against each other and the unbalanced relationship between that of the French and Huron compaired to the English and Iriquoise, was the actually leading cause the the Huron's defeat. Beside's this I know of know other larege scale conflics the Huron/Iriquoise had with tribes. It is actually the norm before north american's came to North America that captive natives would be humilated but allowed to leave after around 3 days. Also They often didn't take settments and left them alone. They would raid for cattle, food and tools but thats about it.[/quote]
The Iroquois warriors practiced ritual torture and cannibalism actually. I can find some archaeological articles and books on the subject if you want. The rest of the Native tribes were much the same. They're human, they're as bad as the rest of us.
If you are talking about the destruction of the Huron it was asasperated by the envolvment of the French and English. Largly the English because the French didn't get as involved in arms dealing as the English. Plus the Huron/Iriquoise were the same ethnic group and culture, it is just that the Huron chose not to join the Iriquoise confederation and then with the envolvment of the English and French playing both sides against each other and the unbalanced relationship between that of the French and Huron compaired to the English and Iriquoise, was the actually leading cause the the Huron's defeat. Beside's this I know of know other larege scale conflics the Huron/Iriquoise had with tribes. It is actually the norm before north american's came to North America that captive natives would be humilated but allowed to leave after around 3 days. Also They often didn't take settments and left them alone. They would raid for cattle, food and tools but thats about it.[/quote]
The Iroquois warriors practiced ritual torture and cannibalism actually. I can find some archaeological articles and books on the subject if you want. The rest of the Native tribes were much the same. They're human, they're as bad as the rest of us.
