Muslims face negative perception in Canada, study suggests

[mentalfloss]

Yes you can. I don't agree with everything the bibles says, but I like most of the Christians on this site and some I've met in r/l. Equally, I disagree with parts of the Quran, and yet like most of the Muslims I've met.

Yes, but you may like them for reasons unrelated to their religion.

Colpy is making a bold claim that the quintessential parts of islamic religion are rooted in terror. For any religion, if you want to be a true adherent of that religion, you should put faith in whatever those quintessential values are - which means that there are some things that extremists and moderates share. But if you're to condemn those pivotal values, you're condemning both extremists and moderates.

That aside, he has to show as well, that those values he dislikes are the staples of that religion in order to denounce the religion itself.

 

[CDNBear]

Yes, but you may like them for reasons unrelated to their religion.

I like Colpy, don't ask people what their religion is when we are assessing if we will like them or not.

We can dislike someones political/religious views/beliefs, and still like them.

Colpy is making a bold claim that the quintessential parts of islamic religion are rooted in terror. For any religion, if you want to be a true adherent of that religion, you should put faith in whatever those quintessential values are - which means that there are some things that extremists and moderates share. But if you're to condemn those pivotal values, you're condemning both extremists and moderates.

Says you. I have a differing opinion.

That aside, he has to show as well, that those values he dislikes are the staples of that religion in order to denounce the religion itself.

That's been done in spades.

 

[Cannuck]

here's where your argument falls apart:

Are the idiots of the Westboro Church (all 35 of them!) following the principles of the New Testament????

NO!

Very few self professed Christians follow the principles of the New Testament.

Tony Campolo on what Jesus taught - YouTube

Are the millions of Muslim hopeful Jew murderers, the jihadists, the Islamic meglomaniacs following the principles laid out in the Koran and the hadith????

YES!

No. Just like millions of Christians, the principles of the holy books have been skewed. You are confusing those that have been led astray by those wishing to use religion for political purposes with the actual religion. At the very beginning of the Quran it states (Baqarah 8)

"Those who believe in the Quran
and those who follow the Jewish scriptures
and the Christians and the Sabians
and who believe in Allah and the last day
and work righteousness,
shall have their reward with their lord
On them shall be no fear
nor shall they grieve."

It's right there Colpy in black and white. The jihadists are simply not following the principles of the Quran. I understand how some folks like you have been sucked into that thinking. It's easy to accept it and you are mentally lazy.

Thanks to colonialism and the Cold War????? LOL!!! Turkish colonialism you mean?????

Love how it is always the fault of the west. Too funny.

I didn't say it was "always the fault of the west" That is why I used the term "cold war" as the Soviets are as much to blame. In terms of Iran though, you can't really be so stupid as to not know about the CIA removing a democratically elected leader and installing the Shah. Do you really believe that this had no bearing at all in the rise of religious fundamentalism in Iran? Where Democracy "sprang from" is entirely irrelevant to the conversation. Iran was a democracy and a "Judeo-Christian nation ousted that leader and installed a brutal dictator (my my how Christian of them).

Islam means submission,

No it doesn't. It means peace. Go to the 2 minute mark.

ISLAM IS PEACE, Love & Mercy. Clarifying misconceptions about Islam by Dr Tahir ul Qadri 1/2 - YouTube

You know, not ONE of the apologists on here has tackled the question........which is very pertinent to the original OP.

My hypothesis is that Islam is both a religious and a political philosophy that smacks of fascism, and in fact is comparable to the most vicious form of fascism known as Naziism, combining genocidal Jew hatred with the demand for total submission to the philosophy, added to the belief and desire for world domination.

Why do you refuse to tackle the Question???

Could it be the answer is obvious?.....and does not fit with you comfy set of apologist delusions????

There is no question to answer. There is only your ridiculous hypothesis that has nothing reasonable to back it up. I guess, if the question is are you EAO's negative, then the answer would be yes.

The worrying thing is that he was subsequently ostracised in the wider Muslim community. If THAT doesn't tell you something, you ain't listening.

Well, I'm not listening to you, that's for sure...

CBC News Indepth: Toronto Bomb Plot

"Shaikh said he consulted Muslim religious leaders before joining the CSIS investigation as a paid informant and they gave him their blessing."

Muslim religious leader giving their blessings to an informant.....the dickens you say!!!!

 

[Colpy]

Yes, but you may like them for reasons unrelated to their religion.

Colpy is making a bold claim that the quintessential parts of islamic religion are rooted in terror. For any religion, if you want to be a true adherent of that religion, you should put faith in whatever those quintessential values are - which means that there are some things that extremists and moderates share. But if you're to condemn those pivotal values, you're condemning both extremists and moderates.

That aside, he has to show as well, that those values he dislikes are the staples of that religion in order to denounce the religion itself.

Too easy!

It is a basic principle of Islam that a Muslim should follow the example of the Prophet Mohammad. This is stated in the Quran (Islam's holiest book) no less than 91 times.

An Inquiry Into Islam: Mohammad is the Ideal Example

Mohammed was a war monger, a genocidal murderer, a rapist, and a pedophile.

Game, set, match.

 

[Colpy]

SUNSET ON THE RIDEAU :: SteynOnline

Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Honour Killings Go Beyond Mere Homicide

 

[Tonington]

Not at all......

There are Muslims that are quite moderate....in fact, the Toronto terrorists were exposed by a Muslim.

The worrying thing is that he was subsequently ostracised in the wider Muslim community. If THAT doesn't tell you something, you ain't listening.

We've been over this, you conveniently leave out the fact that he was also welcomed in the wider Muslim community for what he did. It was in plain black and white in one of the articles you posted a while back, and it was pointed out to you then.

Though I can see how that doesn't fit in with the whole nonsense you're peddling.

There are moderate Muslims, there is NOT a moderate Islam.

This is a popular piece of crap statement. It's a logical fail. You can't have religion without people. If the people are moderate, then that makes their practice of religion moderate....else you wouldn't be able to find any Imams who are moderate and liberal in the statements they make.

 

[mentalfloss]

If the people are moderate, then that makes their practice of religion moderate....else you wouldn't be able to find any Imams who are moderate and liberal in the statements they make.

You mean, like the 9/11 Imam?

Certainly he couldn't be a fundamental believer without a thirst for blood, could he?

RAUF: As I mentioned, because if we move, that means the radicals have shaped the discourse. The radicals will shape the discourse on both sides. And those of us who are moderates on both sides -- you see Soledad, the battle front is not between Muslims and non-Muslims. The real battle front is between moderates on all sides of all the faith traditions and the radicals on all sides. The radicals actually feed off each other. And in some kind of existential way, need each other. And the more that the radicals are able to control the discourse on one side, it strengthens the radicals on the other side and vice versa. We have to turn this around.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/08/lkl.01.html


He must be one of those relaxed Imams.. you know.. the kind that doesn't really take Islam seriously.

 

[Cannuck]

An Inquiry Into Islam: Mohammad is the Ideal Example

From your link..

" ordering assassinations of his enemies, torturing people for information, owning slaves, and killing enemies in mass executions"

Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Qur'an considers emancipation of a slave to be a highly meritorious deed, or as a condition of repentance for many sins. Therefore Muhammad was the owner of slaves, whom he bought usually to free,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-193 including concubines (although this claim is disputed),http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-194 a wetnursehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_nurse, and one slave he bought, freed and adopted as his son (Zayd).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#cite_note-Zad116-195"

Game set match

You have to score a few points first before you can even start thinking about winning a game

 

[mentalfloss]

I'm just waiting for him to post 3 things you didn't know about Islam like he did months ago.

Oh.. what the hell.. I'll just do it for him..

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Here is a good Muslim

Tarek Fatah - YouTube

 

[mentalfloss]

Yes, that is a good islamic follower.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Yes, that is a good islamic follower.

With more people like him voicing their disdain, demanding change and working to educate and modernize Islam a negative perception of Muslims would be greatly decreased.

 

[mentalfloss]

With more people like him voicing their disdain, demanding change and working to educate and modernize Islam a negative perception of Muslims would be greatly decreased.

Not gonna happen with the media constantly bombarding the public with isolated events as if they are commonplace in the muslim community.

I'm sure another Ezra cartoon will help bring them into the 20th century.

 

[Colpy]

We've been over this, you conveniently leave out the fact that he was also welcomed in the wider Muslim community for what he did. It was in plain black and white in one of the articles you posted a while back, and it was pointed out to you then.

.

I don't know where you got THAT idea! Where ever.....it is completely false..........

Go to 4:00 and listen for a minute or two.

Ezra Levant Talks To Mubin Shaikh - YouTube

 

[mentalfloss]

caps? what are those?

UNDER THE CLOAK OF JIHAD:
INSIDE CANADA'S TERROR PLOT

 

[Colpy]

This is a popular piece of crap statement. It's a logical fail. You can't have religion without people. If the people are moderate, then that makes their practice of religion moderate....else you wouldn't be able to find any Imams who are moderate and liberal in the statements they make.

No, you can't have religion without people........

And no, it doesn't make sense......but often religion transcends logic. Sometimes in good ways, sometimes not. Mubin Shaikh, Tarek Fatah and others are moderates, which absolutely flies in the face of the Koran.........but they still claim to be Muslims. Actually, I don't think they really are.........

I think most Muslims are like most practicing Christians.....they go to church on Sunday or Mosque on Friday and don't think very deeply about it the rest of the time.................

It's when push comes to shove, a very significant portion of Muslims prove dangerous to the foundations of our liberal society, non-active supporters of terror, enemies of free speech, supporters of sharia.......

Too easy!



An Inquiry Into Islam: Mohammad is the Ideal Example

Mohammed was a war monger, a genocidal murderer, a rapist, and a pedophile.

And you guys COMPLETELY refuse to deal with this!!!!!

Or deal with the other question I posed.....how is Islam different from Naziism?????

World domination, Jew murder, absolute submission, intolerence...............

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[mentalfloss]

And you guys COMPLETELY refuse to deal with this!!!!!

Or deal with the other question I posed.....how is Islam different from Naziism?????

World domination, Jew murder, absolute submission, intolerence...............

Sometimes in good ways, sometimes not. Mubin Shaikh, Tarek Fatah and others are moderates, which absolutely flies in the face of the Koran.........but they still claim to be Muslims.

So basically you're peddling the same crap that's in that "3 three things wrong with Islam" video?

 

[gore0bsessed]

Too easy!



An Inquiry Into Islam: Mohammad is the Ideal Example

Mohammed was a war monger, a genocidal murderer, a rapist, and a pedophile.

Game, set, match.

Sounds like Mohammad is your kind of guy! Forget your comparisons of Nazism and Islam, how about you and Mohammad? :lol:

 

[Colpy]

Sounds like Mohammad is your kind of guy! Forget your comparisons of Nazism and Islam, how about you and Mohammad? :lol:

Me????

I Love Israel! lol

I haven't raped a woman in WEEKS!

Nor have I killed anyone.....lately.

No home invasions.....

On your part?

Epic FAIL.

lol

And seriously....I'm not a pedophile, unlike Mohammed..........but you know, apologist idiots like yourself think child rape is fine, I guess......
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[mentalfloss]

Stop trying to avoid my questions, Colpy.

Are you seriously saying you agree with the 3 things wrong about Islam vid?