Murder Suicide and How Toxicology Reports Are Hidden
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What do you mean source??? How can anyone know the cause and affect of a drug if no tests are being done? Its just plain logic....
Hi Gilbert,
Here is how I do my research that helps me form my opinion......
I try and find an Act that governs the matter at hand... and read it..
Then I make phone calls to public bodies
(i.e. I found out through the Coroners Act that it is not mandatory to run tox reorts if the cause and manner of death is established)
I also found out that the Coroners and medical examiners do not report any information re" psychopharmaceuticals" use on autopsy reports..)
I then found out that when suicides are reported to Health Canada and Stats Canada the report doesnt mention if there was psychopharmaceuticals in the equation (which would be information gathered from medical history and family)
I kept being led to other bodies like the college of pharmacists across Canada where they told me there is no mandate for pharmacists to disclose adverse reactions even when asked... as well as no mandate for doctors either..
I then found out that reprted adverse reactions reported to pharmacists and doctors offices are not necessarily sent to health canada as it is up to the pharacy and doctors office to decide if they want to do the paper work.. it is not madated so that adverse reactions could be under reported...
Most of my work is by reading and calling sources and when I writing I share my opinion and hope that if someone is intrigued and feel that they want to know this for certain, then they would make the call themself so to not take someone elses word..
this is an example of how I would do research..
Here is how I do my research that helps me form my opinion......
I try and find an Act that governs the matter at hand... and read it..
Then I make phone calls to public bodies
(i.e. I found out through the Coroners Act that it is not mandatory to run tox reorts if the cause and manner of death is established)
I also found out that the Coroners and medical examiners do not report any information re" psychopharmaceuticals" use on autopsy reports..)
I then found out that when suicides are reported to Health Canada and Stats Canada the report doesnt mention if there was psychopharmaceuticals in the equation (which would be information gathered from medical history and family)
I kept being led to other bodies like the college of pharmacists across Canada where they told me there is no mandate for pharmacists to disclose adverse reactions even when asked... as well as no mandate for doctors either..
I then found out that reprted adverse reactions reported to pharmacists and doctors offices are not necessarily sent to health canada as it is up to the pharacy and doctors office to decide if they want to do the paper work.. it is not madated so that adverse reactions could be under reported...
Most of my work is by reading and calling sources and when I writing I share my opinion and hope that if someone is intrigued and feel that they want to know this for certain, then they would make the call themself so to not take someone elses word..
this is an example of how I would do research..
Uhuh And how does that supply support for this opinion that pharmaceuticals are actually causal to murder suicides?
Gilbert,
For starters my opinion is that there MAY be a link between meds and murder suicides. The posting I have done has been where I shared my opinioin that it is very possible on account of the known adverse reactions...
My concern (which is why I have written) is because in doing my own research to find out if this link is real, I ended up finding out that there isnt a way to find out.
It was a long research journey and I in my above post ... gave you one example of how I personally do research.
The journey didnt start out with the Coroners Act, it started with researching murder suicides where I saw a link between psychopharmaceuticals and suicide homicide ideation, loss of reality ..etc
In trying to find out what the adverse reactions was near impossible because I discovered the pharmacists wont tell a person what they are ..even if they ask...
Then I found out that many doctors wont either...
It has been something I have doing for over a year and in the process I have educated myself and feel that the question I am wanting an answer to (are they related and if so what needs to be done to protect society ..mall goers students, spouses etc)
I have learned many different acts and how I have found that it works.
One thing led me to another and it carried on through many various goverrnment agencies, media, as well private pharma compnaies and foundations... etc.
"Overall, the homicide rate was 1.73 per 100,000 population in 2011, seven per cent higher than in 2010, Statistics Canada said."
Homicide rates in Canada rise 7% - Canada - CBC News
Back to opinion again.
Circular reasoning is also a logical fallacy.
I don't care how you research, I asked how you related pharmaceuticals to violence. And if you can't find out a direct link, then there's no point in making assertions that there is a direct link.
Circular reasoning is also a logical fallacy.
I don't care how you research, I asked how you related pharmaceuticals to violence. And if you can't find out a direct link, then there's no point in making assertions that there is a direct link.
Gilbert,
You are quite rude. I have been nothing but repsectful and obliging. I have tried to answert everything you asked me..So I dont get your rudeness....
But for the last time I will this question the best I can..so lets start off by establishing my view..
This forum in my eyes is posts of OPINIONS....
The OPINIONS found here or anywhere should be read as such.
If someone reading opinions, chooses to believe what they read, then its up to them..
You commented that I should tell where or how I researched..... SO I DID TELL YOU....
Now for your new question which appears to be asking me why I linked pharmaceuticals to violence well because psychopharmaceuticals carry the adverse warning report which states many things including homicidal suicidal ideation loss of reality... violence, aggression and many other things... this isnt new and although the drug store wont offer you the adverse reaction report, it is in the drug monograph (of all antidepressants and antipsychotics)
It isnt up to you to decide what opinion a person should give.....
Your opinion. I don't see any rudeness in my posts. IMO, I'm simply being observant, frank, and objective.
Is that what you THINK I asked, or is it what I actually asked? What I actually asked was what your research was. You offered the extensive description of HOW you researched and mentioned acts and warnings about side-effects. Not exactly what I'd call being informative.
Like I said, caveat emptor. My doc suggests I take some medicine or other and I will find out what I can about it before I take it. Anyone who doesn't, is foolish, IMO. I didn't need anyone to tell me that there are side effects to some things, some of them being quite serious side effects.
So do you have anything suggesting a direct link between pharmaceuticals and these murder suicides? Or is it just a guess?
Never said it was. I just said that supported opinions count for more.
It was just that Wayne Carver, the medical examiner for Adam Lanza (The Newtown shooter) is not releasing the results of the tox reports!
Go figure..... more concealing about psychopharmaceuticals so we cant learn from it.. Society is being robbed from learning .. What ever psychopharmaceutical he was on should be compared to the all the other school shooters (as they too were on psychopharmceuticals) and maybe banned.. or if it is a psychopharmaceutical cocktail, then those shouldnt be given together.
Parents File Appeal Against Connecticut Medical Examiner’s Refusal to Release Adam Lanza Toxicology Results « CCHR International
Go figure..... more concealing about psychopharmaceuticals so we cant learn from it.. Society is being robbed from learning .. What ever psychopharmaceutical he was on should be compared to the all the other school shooters (as they too were on psychopharmceuticals) and maybe banned.. or if it is a psychopharmaceutical cocktail, then those shouldnt be given together.
Parents File Appeal Against Connecticut Medical Examiner’s Refusal to Release Adam Lanza Toxicology Results « CCHR International
First I don't think there is an immediate solution because the new drugs are coming out
faster than you can bake a batch of Dad's Cookies.
I think there has to be some form of equating drugs to the individual metabolism of the
person going to be taking them. The persons metabolic make up in other words. If they
can find a link to the person and perhaps match them to the chemical makeup of the drugs
it might mitigate some of the risk.
Would it work? Don't know that would be left to science to see if there in any way to determine
that but going down that road as an experiment might prove useful for prescribing in the future.
It is also certain that nothing is for certain with an individual taking a drug. That is why there
are warnings. I think we are relying more on warnings these days in order for companies to
avoid ending up in court..
The fact is the patients need some relief now and the risk is better in most cases than doing
nothing at all.
faster than you can bake a batch of Dad's Cookies.
I think there has to be some form of equating drugs to the individual metabolism of the
person going to be taking them. The persons metabolic make up in other words. If they
can find a link to the person and perhaps match them to the chemical makeup of the drugs
it might mitigate some of the risk.
Would it work? Don't know that would be left to science to see if there in any way to determine
that but going down that road as an experiment might prove useful for prescribing in the future.
It is also certain that nothing is for certain with an individual taking a drug. That is why there
are warnings. I think we are relying more on warnings these days in order for companies to
avoid ending up in court..
The fact is the patients need some relief now and the risk is better in most cases than doing
nothing at all.
I don't know about studies all I know is when one friend got their meds confused they went completely off of the rails. Had to be committed to get back on the rails so that the drugs could be handled properly. If there were no drugs for her to take (and a few other friends too) they would be dead.
So we have to keep this in perspective.
There have been problems with psychotropic drugs from the get go.
Do they cause the death of some, no doubt. Do they save others, absolutely.
We have not progressed enough yet to understand the chemical makeup of the body. Until then, it's all we have.
So we have to keep this in perspective.
There have been problems with psychotropic drugs from the get go.
Do they cause the death of some, no doubt. Do they save others, absolutely.
We have not progressed enough yet to understand the chemical makeup of the body. Until then, it's all we have.
Of course everyone's basic metabolism and chemistry is the same, but we all have peripheral differences. There are also other variables such as how rigidly people follow prescription advice, mixing non-pharmaceutical nonos in with the pharmaceuticals (like avoiding eating grapefruit or drinking grapefruit juice when taking beta-blockers or drinking booze while taking antibiotics), being completely honest with the prescription supplier (like House always said in that tv show, "everyone lies"), etc.
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Hi Sal,
It sounds like it was the meds that caused your friend to go off the rails in the first place..Im glad your friend is ok now.
Many people are given antidepressants and antipsychotics for little to no reason.. (when they are experiencing some sadness, deperssion, anxiety, and even for things like pain and quitting a habit where there is no mental illness at all)...... Also, many suicides, that occured while on antidepressants resulted in people who had never claimed to be suicidal in the first place.. These drugs are the root of many peoples mental illness as a direct result from taking the drug in the first place...
There are many studies that show that these psychopharmaceuticals do nothing at all for depression, anxiety etc...
I have posted a link below of a show 16 x 9 where these studies are are looked at closely by many experts where they are concluding the placebo effect is what help. What they also look at is the dangerous side affects caused by the chemicals (suicidal homicidal ideation.)
The show also explains how these drugs keep getting approved .... ITS horrible,, Its all about the money..
Here is a link to the show..Id really like your feed back on the show
Drug Reactions: The effectiveness of antidepressants | Globalnews.ca
Hello,
I am Alec Lamb's sister, the one you refer to in this conversation. Before you go ranting and raving, you might want to get all your facts straight instead of just throwing names and "facts" around. My brother was murdered by a paranoid schizophrenic who had not been taking is medication for 4 months. My brother could very well be alive right now if the other person had been on his medication. Don't you dare use my brother as an example again for anti-medication.
My condolences Susy, and this person you are replying to is a fly by night zealot that hasn't been on the board since April 2013.
Par for the course, when it comes to zealots, generally, thinking for themselves is not their forte and they tend to just regurgitate "facts" from other zealots. Suffice it to say, that the majority of thinking people don't take these idiots seriously.