Multi-party vs. 2-party system

Machjo

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There's a difference between a one-party system and a no-party system. In a no-party system, all MPs would officially be independent candidates.
 

JLM

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Canada's electoral system is a little complicated and are often criticized for its use of "1st past the post".

First of all the way our system works is that in a riding during an election, the party that receives the most votes wins the riding. A candidate doesn't necessarily have to win a majority of votes to win the riding.

Basically, what this means is that a candidate can win a riding while only receiving a minority of votes. Many advocate that this process is anti-democratic since certain parties can get over 10% of the popular vote but still fail to get MPs elected into the house.

The problem is not the 1st past the post system we have, it is the multi-party system we have that causes the issues.

The mere fact that 3, 4, or 5 parties can run in each riding divides the vote among Canadians, thus making it impossible for a candidate of any party to get more than 50% of the popular vote.

On the other hand, a 2-party system ensures everytime that the winning candidate gets a majority of votes. The fact that Canadians cannot even elect a single party to office with a majority of votes goes to show how divided we really are. If we cannot put our faith in 1 party, we clearly are not divided.

I think having a 2-party system in Canada would be a good idea, however will Canadians be able to do it?

I think you and I would have to agree to disagree on this one. It's actually quite simple- a plurality in a multi party system should be just as good as a majority in a two party system. This coalition nonsense that's under discussion right now is just a bunch of sore losers wanting to convert to a "two party" system when it's convenient for them. (The Bloc agrees with Dion and Layton on one issue- getting rid of Harper)
 

Machjo

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Because `only one person runs the show`

I'm not following you. In fact, we have three independents in parliament right now as we speak, and they each get a vote. In a no-party system, we'd essentially ave the same thing, but with more independent candidates.

How would that lead to one man running the show unless you're porposing additional changes to the electoral system beyond just de-officializing parties.
 

Machjo

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In fact, in a no-pary system, you'd still have conservatives, socialists, liberals, greens, etc. And many of them might still be members of political parties on their own time, and might even get sponsored by parties in elections for funding, etc. However, no party name would appear on ballots, and parties would not be officially recognized in parliament.

The advantage with this is that candidates could not be voted in on brand names anymore (e.g a voter checking a box because of the party name under the candidate without even knowing the candidate's name). nd in parliament, with parties not being officially recognized, they'd have to be more de-emphasized. Of course some candidates might suck up to the party for funding for the next election. But with the party not being officially recognized and getting no government funding, the party would hold much less sway on its MP's than it does now. So I suppose parties would still exist, but candidates would officially be independents, in law and on th ballot. That would give them more freedom.
 

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In fact, in a no-pary system, you'd still have conservatives, socialists, liberals, greens, etc. And many of them might still be members of political parties on their own time, and might even get sponsored by parties in elections for funding, etc. However, no party name would appear on ballots, and parties would not be officially recognized in parliament.

The advantage with this is that candidates could not be voted in on brand names anymore (e.g a voter checking a box because of the party name under the candidate without even knowing the candidate's name). nd in parliament, with parties not being officially recognized, they'd have to be more de-emphasized. Of course some candidates might suck up to the party for funding for the next election. But with the party not being officially recognized and getting no government funding, the party would hold much less sway on its MP's than it does now. So I suppose parties would still exist, but candidates would officially be independents, in law and on th ballot. That would give them more freedom.

Seriously, are you a`Do Bee or a Don't Bee?`
 

Machjo

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I'm saying don't recognize parties officially. Officially, parties shoudln't exist. Of course they'd still exist in a candidates personal life, like religious affiliation, and we'd recognize that it influences him, but since it's not official in any way, parties get no government money, they're not mentioned on ballots, etc. In this way, though parties would de facto exist, they would not officially exist. They would still serve their purpose, but to a much more limited degree. This would also help level the playing field with independent candidates that don't want to belong to any party.
 

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I'm saying don't recognize parties officially. Officially, parties shoudln't exist. Of course they'd still exist in a candidates personal life, like religious affiliation, and we'd recognize that it influences him, but since it's not official in any way, parties get no government money, they're not mentioned on ballots, etc. In this way, though parties would de facto exist, they would not officially exist. They would still serve their purpose, but to a much more limited degree. This would also help level the playing field with independent candidates that don't want to belong to any party.
Well said.
 

Tyler

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It's actually quite simple- a plurality in a multi party system should be just as good as a majority in a two party system.

Well put!

However, in addition to that, one must remember that with multi-party, you have more choices. If you generate a list of issues (abortion, war, gay marriage, military intervention....) and you only have 2 parties, the 2 parties are bound to agree on some of these issues, while being opposing on others. So what if you are against the issues that they both agree on?
 

Machjo

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In some ways, a no-party system would be equal to a 300+ party system, each candidate being his own party of sorts. If you want multi-party, beat that!