Well life doesn't work that way apparently.... and if you don't want to get into a gender hair splitting argument, then don't try and start one if you're not willing to finish it.
Mother faces murder charge after baby found in trash
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Well life doesn't work that way apparently.... and if you don't want to get into a gender hair splitting argument, then don't try and start one if you're not willing to finish it.
And it should be taken out on the baby if they do? not very logical on that end. But yes, it would be great if people just didn't do stupid things and make mistakes.
The question is how do you react if they do make mistakes?
praxius I'm not getting into an argument with any one ,finish what may i ask ,like Ive said all along if people don't want the responsibility for raising there young ,then like they say "if you cant do the time don't do the crime",so unless you want to be responsible for your sexual partners then wear protection or take other precautions ,people are to quick to blame someone else or something rather then take the blame themselves ,this has got nothing to do with the power of the sexes, its to do with being responsible for what you do and how you treat others,if this woman did not want this child then she should have solved this problem differently admittedly we could go down the rape and abuse road ,but we talking about the responsibility of adults who wish to fornicate and not live up to the consequences of having a child because of it ,and like i said before i blame woman's lib for this, as it has given the man the excuse needed to not act responsible ,i know we no longer live in the thirties, and times have changed and men as well as women have a difficult time in the multiple partnerships, but that's the fundamental problem to much promiscuity,not enough responsibility, but thats just my point of view there are many reasons for things like this to happen ,but i feel this is the root cause. :-|
exactly they should think more about the child's welfare rather then there own ,how would the child feel if it knew it was not wanted ,not a very good beginning to its life is it ,and yes i can hear people saying ,that it would also be unfair if its parents hated each other and were constantly arguing in front of the child ,well that's what i mean they should of thought about their actions shouldn't they..?
Oh that's straight out bull. In cases where it's been relevant, I speak loudly about the rights of males. I'm a humanist, I advocate equal rights, truly equal, and I don't hesitate to bitch women out for slamming on guys and stereotyping. One of the issues I speak out loudly on is the right of males to not have their genitals cut up just because society deems it okay and them tough enough.
You may not have been around for any of these sorts of discussions, but that doesn't mean they don't take place Prax, and you assuming that no one stands up is just as ignorant as them assuming they don't need to.
And as you should very well remember from our debate on that subject, I don't need people advocating protection from something that not only did I go through, but I don't think is a big deal as many others would like to make it out to be.
And there doesn't need to be rights of protection towards "genitals being cut up" because it's a decision made by the parents involved, just like an abortion, or an adoption.... the parents decide what is best, even if you don't think it is. It all falls under the same situation where the topic is devided due to various morals.... be that personal or religious..... no one solution will fit the equation for everybody.
Not every male get's a circ.... then again, there are some who still do. I have, and my child will most likely as well, based on my own decision in the matter in relation to hygiene and other factors...... not because of some religious writting in a book.
And comparing male circumcision to female is one bad way to compare pros and cons, since female circumcisions cause a lot more physical and eventually mental truama then some flap of skin you won't even remember being removed as an infant.
I'm just expressing the equal ignorants I have seen in some comments in here and showing the contradictions through posting the other pieces to the puzzle. We currently have people point out that men now a days are more apt to ditch their girlfriends or wives once a kid comes into the picture, because they don't have any responsibilities.... then we have comments towards how those men ditching somehow.... from what I can only gather, is related to the original news article posted about the woman killing her baby and chucking it into a dumpster..... and leads me to believe that somehow the blame for that is being placed on men, since there wasn't very much talk about her "better half" in the article..... which is the only reason why I could see it being brought up in the first place.
And then we have the talk about woman's equal rights groups pushing too far to the point now that apparently men have this scape goat where they don't have to worry about anything because woman now have too many rights.... which I hardly can understand how that is possible.
Not to mention the whole "Forced Marriage" being a wonderful idea so that men are somehow locked into staying in the relationship to own up to some moral responsibility being expressed in this thread.... as if that has ever made any houshold a positive environment.
Quite frankly, there's a lot of jumping and tip toeing about how men apparently are the weak link in this structure of a good family and somehow preventing women from tossing their babies into compost bins for the birds, where there hasn't been any information relating to any involvement, be that positive or negative by the male in relation to the situations at hand..... and to me.... that's what I find as ignorant, generic..... not to mention unfounded.
Not to mention, my comment towards society in regards to the male's role wasn't directed to you in the first place, but was one of those generic examples I wanted to throw out there to get the same reaction you just gave me, which I have been giving thus far in this debate, and it worked......
.... because when I hear someone start to blame men in general for some problem that takes two to tango, it's no different.
I think you miss the point. You aren't punishing the parents of the baby, nearly as much as you are punishing the baby.
Growing up with dysfunctional parents in a home filled with hate and scorn is cruel and unusual punishment to force upon an innocent baby.
When people say "its unfair if the parents hate each other", they don't mean to the parents, they mean its unfair to the baby.
Why should the baby suffer so the parents can "learn a lesson"?
no you have not read what i put i put
so im not condoning anything am i, read what i put before you say this is what ive said stop trying to put words in my mouth that i have not said .
i have never said anything like this in fact i was defending the childs rights if anything
accepted :smile:
i was saying they should be responsible for there actions, and that people should be less promiscuous, because they seem to want to shed there responsibilities once it has been found out that the woman was/is pregnant, the promiscuity's of the parents should in no way be the fault of the child, as in this case the child has died as a result of this promiscuity, between to consenting adults