Most Ontario Knee Surgeries Are Useless

tay

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I think the Doctor is politely telling fatties to lose weight.......


“It’s not helping people in the long run.” Dr Reed Siemieniuk, McMaster University

The panel of physicians, physiotherapists, academics and patients reviewed 13 randomized trials with control groups and found patients who underwent the procedure had the same outcomes as those who didn’t.

Arthroscopic knee surgery involves sending a tiny camera called an arthroscope through an incision in the knee, allowing surgeons to look inside and use small instruments to cut tissue.

McMaster University’s Dr. Reed Siemieniuk, who chaired the panel, said the ease of the procedure makes it an attractive option for physicians who want to alleviate their patients’ chronic knee pain.

“It’s minimally invasive. It generally has low risk. But that said, if it’s not helping people in the long run, then even small risks can become important when it’s so common.

Siemieniuk said arthroscopic surgery has been shown to be effective in only a small subset of patients such as those who’ve had a sports injury or experienced sudden knee trauma from an accident.


But the panel’s research found that in Ontario alone, of the 27,000 people who had the procedure on their knees in 2013, about 90 per cent were due to arthritis.

With an average cost of $1,300 per procedure, the figures suggests $31 million in health-care spending that likely had no long-term benefit to the patient.

Evidence that arthroscopic surgery is ineffective for arthritis began emerging a decade ago, yet physicians continued to recommend it to their patients to treat secondary problems stemming from the condition such as meniscus tears, sudden pain or clicking and catching of the knee.

“The first few steps are weight loss, physical therapy and painkiller, whether injections or topical creams. But long term, people with arthritis and chronic knee pain eventually go on to needing knee replacement surgery.”

Siemieniuk said it is up to health policymakers and physicians to decide how to discourage needless arthroscopic knee surgery as the guidelines are just that.

Why Canada is wasting millions on useless knee surgeries - Health - CBC News
 

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I'm a little doubtful about Ontario medical care. In 2001, Dad cut his knee cap with a chain saw when he broke through snow crust. Months later, the doctors were telling him x-rays showed he was healed ... but he still had problems. Well more than two years after the incident, they finally looked into the knee to discover a tendon had been severed. Had it been found at the time, his knee wouldn't have worn to the point where it needed to be replaced.

Replacement - after six months on a rigid spacer to grow viable ends - was "clunky". We know it wasn't original equipment and there were bound to be issues getting used to it - but this replacement actually jerked with movement. A collapse of the unit put Dad in the hospital with a concussion then the defective knee gave way and he fell down a flight of stairs.

Following another six months on another rigid spacer a second replacement knee was installed. By now, Dad was beyond complaining. Nobody listened.

In 2011 they found he'd developed an infection. The result was, after ten years of suffering Ontario's medical greatness, they amputated his leg above the knee.

December 7 2016 we lost Dad to Alzheimers. For the last 15 years of his life, a very active man - definitely not a fattie - Dad smiled and laughed with us ... but there was little joy
 

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The medical system is designed to keep insiders rich, not heal patients.
Except on the case of actual REAL doctors. When my knee was all banged up, the surgeon asked me if I could still walk on it. I said yes, it's painful but if I use a cane it's not so bad. He then told me he wouldn't operate until I literally couldn't walk because of it. He's reasoning was, knee surgery is a 50/50 proposition at best and he didn't believe in taking unnecessary risks as long as I could still walk. I eventually ended up shredding what was left of my knee and at the point, the surgeon was quite willing to operate.
 

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I had a knee injury in my early twenties. I was down about a week but eventually got on about my business. Now and then it would swell especially when installing treads , risers and stringers on stair cases but it would go down a week or so later. Seems like climbing stairs or ladders always made it swell. I've made it this far so no point in doing anything.
 

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Hip to ankle cast for almost a year in grade seven - NO surgery!
Now, No heavy sports - just cycling
so far so good...
The original Dr didn't spot the problem, I had to rely on a neighbor who was a top knee guy for sick kids.
;)
Thank gawd my Mother had spayed his cat at the cottage for a couple shots of rye.

PS the weight thing - how much is caused by current medical advice in the first place?
and how much knee damage is a result of one pill or another in the first place...?

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tay

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Except on the case of actual REAL doctors. When my knee was all banged up, the surgeon asked me if I could still walk on it. I said yes, it's painful but if I use a cane it's not so bad. He then told me he wouldn't operate until I literally couldn't walk because of it. He's reasoning was, knee surgery is a 50/50 proposition at best and he didn't believe in taking unnecessary risks as long as I could still walk. I eventually ended up shredding what was left of my knee and at the point, the surgeon was quite willing to operate.

I did have arthroscopic done but that was 6 months after my knee cap was replaced. They had warned me I may need it. I had shattered my knee playing hockey and the arthroscopic was to remove tiny bone fragments that were between the cap and the ball which were 'grinding' and hurt like hell. It worked and they must have got it all but what the Doctor is saying in the OP is that a lot of people get referred to this procedure when it's not the solution.

And I have a story to tell. Someone I know said his wife was complaining that her knees hurt. Apparently she got insulted when her family Doctor told her to lose 100 lbs first and see if she felt better.

I think the panel that analyzed the arthroscopic operations are pretty much bang on in their conclusions.......