Most of the mountains are not from Earth in origin.

[Toro]

Heretic!

Don't believe in all this "science" goobledeegook.

Everything you need to know about the universe is in Genesis.

And don't believe any other religions. They all suck.

How did I come to that conclusion? I'm a white guy, born in North America.

Now, excuse me, its already noon and I haven't had a beer yet.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yes it's noon, time to get the day started, where's my lighter I got work to do.:smile:

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Yes it's noon, time to get the day started, where's my lighter I got work to do.:smile:

Hey if yer having a good ole fashioned book burning count me in!!

 

[Blackleaf]

Mountains were formed when two tectonic plates collide into each other causing the ground to uplift. Imagining having to pieces of paper opposite each other on a table, and then sliding them together so that they touch, pressing into each other. One or both pieces of paper would then move upwards as you push them together. This is similar to two tectonic plates crashing into each other and pushing the land upwards. The Himalayas were formed when the tectonic plate carrying India crashing into what is now mainland Asia. In fact, India is still in the process of crashing into Asia and so the Himalayas are still growing.

There are many mountain ranges that people say are the oldest in the world. Two of the contenders for the world's oldest mountain range are the Urals in Russia and the Highlands in Britain.

 

[lone wolf]

...There are many mountain ranges that people say are the oldest in the world. Two of the contenders for the world's oldest mountain range are the Urals in Russia and the Highlands in Britain.

Don't forget my backyard!:lol:

Wolf

 

[Dexter Sinister]

What's in your back yard somewhere near Sudbury is, depending on exactly where you are, either the eroded and heavily deformed roots of 3-4-billion year old structures that might have been mountains, the Canadian Shield, or part of the impact structure left by a big meteorite that landed there about 1.87 billion years ago and produced the area's nickel deposits.

 

[lone wolf]

Markstay/Wahnapitae - 46°31'10" N x 80°36'35" W - Canadian Shield at the very lip of Sudbury Basin and almost due south of another meterorite crater - the much younger Lake Wahnapitei. Some really interesting rocks around here - especially the tiger stripe formations in Wahnapitae. Used to look like the surface of the moon due to almost a hundred years worth of sulpher dioxide and nickle oxide emissions from three local smelters. Apollo people practiced for moon walks - not because of its appearance, but for the occlusions and crater structure.

Yeah ... we're in the running for oldest land on Earth....

Wolf

 

[Toro]

Mountains were formed when two tectonic plates collide into each other causing the ground to uplift. Imagining having to pieces of paper opposite each other on a table, and then sliding them together so that they touch, pressing into each other. One or both pieces of paper would then move upwards as you push them together. This is similar to two tectonic plates crashing into each other and pushing the land upwards. The Himalayas were formed when the tectonic plate carrying India crashing into what is now mainland Asia. In fact, India is still in the process of crashing into Asia and so the Himalayas are still growing.

There are many mountain ranges that people say are the oldest in the world. Two of the contenders for the world's oldest mountain range are the Urals in Russia and the Highlands in Britain.

Here I was going to make a joke about Blackleaf writing something about the awesome mountains in England.

And then, he really did write something about mountains in Britain.

 

[#juan]

See Velecovskys Worlds in Collission (1953) that will explain the formation of the solar system finely.

I don't know much about Emanual Valekovski. Carl Sagan thought he was an idiot. Was your statement tongue in cheek?

 

[eanassir]

DocDred,

The Hereafter or the next life is better than this Worldly life, and it is more lasting. A wise man has to work for his next life, to prepare for himself a good future there; that is by admitting God is One alone without associate and to work the righteous work for the sake of God alone; he then will prosper there with his ethereal soul that will be a true copy of his material body, but living forever in the neighborhood of his Lord.
Refer to our website
http://man-after-death.741.com
And see there the subject of:
The Hereafter is better and more enduring

eanassir​

 

[El Barto]

Funny but everytime this God entity is discribed it always makes it sound like the guy is either jealous, tempermental or just plain hard ass.
Never does he sound like someone with much wisdom, More like a disfunctional being that needs to lay on a couch and spill it out, seeming he doesn't need the cash I'm shure he can afford it or better still some poor Psychiatric soul must owe him a favor.

 

[eanassir]

The newly-formed mountains include the volcano cone.

have to say that when science is explained by religion I cringe. Anything that says it's the word of god I stop right there. Tho......the poster here was never insulting tho many would of hit back. I have to give him that. I still don't agree with it, like I say I cringe on antthing religious, unless its to learn what that religion is.

I said at the beginning of the post that not all mountains were formed by the portions of the destroyed old planets that landed upon the Earth, but some of the mountains are newly formed: from volcanoes, earthquakes, continental drift, erosion and many other geological factors. In case of volcano, the mountain will be cone-shaped with a crater at its summit leading to the core of the earth.​

This is in the Quranic revelation 35: 27
(أ لَمْ تَرَ أنّ اللهَ أنْزَلَ مِنَ السّماءِ ماءً فأخْرَجْنا بِهِ ثَمَراتٍ مُخْتَلِفاً ألْوانُها و مِنَ الجِبالِ جُدَدٌ بِيضٌ و حُمْرٌ مُخْتَلِفٌ ألْوانُها و غَرابِيبُ سُودٌ )
The explanation: (Do you [Mohammed] not see how God sends down [rain] water from the sky, and We bring forth therewith produce of various colors,--and of mountains[, also He brings forth therewith,] newly-formed mountains: white and red, of various colors, --and black brands of coal.)
The interpretation: With the aid of rain water, We made new mountains. That is because the rain will solve the carbon dioxide gas present in the air, so that carbonic acid will be formed, which will solve some parts of the calcium-containing rocks present in the mountains, so it will go down to the low lands and seas, and will once again petrify, and as such will the process go on with the passing of time, until a new mountain will result.
- (and black brands of coal.) means: With the aid of rain water We formed black brands of coal. He means: the brands of coal; for it petrifies with the aid of carbonic acid formed by the rain water. Actually, God – be exalted – said غَرابِيبُi.e. (coals) or (brands of coal) in plural; because the brands of coal are four kinds.

Refer to our website
http://universeandquran.741.com

And see the subject of: Mountains.
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Mountains

eanassir​

 

[eanassir]

This should be a debate topic in spirituality other faiths secton. Akin to god creating the earth in 7 days. Ancient people would have ancient explanations for natural phenomena like comets and meteorites. A mountain sized meteor would do far more damage than the relatively small one that took out the dinosaurs. Even a small hill sized one would vapourize when it struck the surface. Sorry but the Quran is incorrect on this point.

RomSpaceKnight,
· The "creation" here means the transformation: God transformed the old sun into an earth within a period of 2 days; each day equals 1000 of our years; i.e. in 2000 years. That old sun whose life ended became cold and a crust was formed for it in 2000 years.
The stratosphere, or the seven stratified gaseous layers of the sky, was also formed in 2000 of our years. It means: its gases were separated from each other and became distinct layers in 2000 years.
Then in the following 4000 years the mountains landed on Earth, and the crust of the earth increased in thickness, and the provisions for its inhabitants were prepared. The total is six days = 6000 of our years.

This is in the Quranic revelation 41: 9-12 ​

(قلْ أئنّكم لَتَكفُرونَ بالّذي خَلَقَ الأرضَ في يومَينِ و تَجْعَلُونَ لَهُ أنداداً ذلكَ ربُّ العالَمِينَ . و جَعَلَ فيها رواسيَ مِنْ فَوقِها و بارَكَ فيها و قَدّرَ فيها أقواتَها في أربعةِ أيّامٍ سَواءً لِلسائلين . ثُمّ اسْتَوى إلى السماءِ و هِيَ دُخانٌ فَقالَ لَها و لِلأرضِ ائْتِيا طَوعاً أو كَرهاً قالَتا أتَينا طائعِينَ . فَقضاهُنَّ سبعَ سماواتٍ في يومينِ ...)

The explanation: ( [O Mohammed] say [to the idolaters]: “Do you, then, disbelieve in [God] Who created the earth in two days, and do you ascribe to Him opponents? –That is the Lord of [all] the worlds!”
“And He made [mountains] that landed upon it, blessed it, and apportioned therein its sustenance in four days; alike for those who ask [provision.]”
“Then He tended to [build]* the sky and it had been smoke; He said to it and to the earth, ‘Come, both of you, willingly or loath.’ The two said, ‘We [all] have come obedient.’
“And He separated them into seven firmaments in two days …etc.” )
[*i.e. to make the layers of the gaseous sky distinctive, and to build or to arrange it in successive layers.]

Refer to our website:
http://universeandquran.741.com

And see there the subject of: Formation of the earth.
http://universeandquran.741.com/#FormationofEarth

· The dinosaur skeletons and some other fossils might have come embedded in these portions of the destroyed planets that landed on our Earth in the forms of mountains. Such creatures might be stranger to our Earth.

· We don't know, at that early time of the Earth formation, about the speed of Earth rotation, the nature of the thin crust and the other factors; did those portions and meteorites landed in a vertical or in a tangent way; were both of them moving in the same direction or in opposite directions … etc.
​

eanassir

 

[eanassir]

Funny but everytime this God entity is discribed it always makes it sound like the guy is either jealous, tempermental or just plain hard ass.
Never does he sound like someone with much wisdom, More like a disfunctional being that needs to lay on a couch and spill it out, seeming he doesn't need the cash I'm shure he can afford it or better still some poor Psychiatric soul must owe him a favor.

I shall now go over some words here.

El Barto,
You may have right about the traditional religion told by the religious leaders, not the pure and plain original word of God told by the prophets and apostles; because the passing of years and successive generations had certainly altered the picture of the true religion issuing from God by the tongue of His apostles.

Jesus Christ said in the Gospel:
"Mat 15:6 ... And ye have made void the word of God because of your tradition."
"Mar 7:9 Then he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your own tradition!"

Religious leaders of all religions and political chiefs corrupted the original religion to suit their personal advantages, and let the multitude reserve them with respect and social position; therefore they were silent concerning many acts and concealed many facts; especially concerning the First Commandment that God is One.

The present Bible is the translation from Latin (which is not its original language); and the writing of the Bible by the priest Ezra, son of Siraeh, had distorted the original one that was torn up by Nabuchodonosor, king of Babylon. The Book of Genesis (written by this priest seventy years after their return from the captivity) includes many stories that cannot be accepted even by a simple illiterate man: like the story of the serpent that talked to Eve, and the serpent was then punished by eating earth and moving on its belly!

Similarly, the translation of the meaning of the Quran cannot be treated as the Quran itself; the original Quranic revelations must be mentioned together with their explanation in any language.

eanassir​

http://universeandquran.741.com

 

[eanassir]

Well thank you for once again disproving that religion can explain the universe.

As you quite rightly pointed out, the mountains are caused by falling sky rocks, which luckily have drag parachutes so they can stack up rather than causing massive craters when they land.

But as you pointed out, the Quran has this bizarre and silly theory that moving plates under the earth caused the mountains, how preposterous.

Thank you for debunking the Quran once and for all.

The mountains after landing in the early time of the earth development, became firmly fixed and had roots like foundations under the ground; they were simulated to the peg of the tent that you hit by a hammer to fix them in the ground.
This is in the Quranic revelation 78: 7

أَلَمْ نَجْعَلِ الْأَرْضَ مِهَادًا . وَالْجِبَالَ أَوْتَادًا
The explanation: (Have we not made the earth well-prepared for you [people]?​

And the mountains [as] pegs?)

They may have the advantage of fixing the earth crust.
They have another advantage in regulating the earth movement; it rotates around itself at a high speed, but so smoothly that we do not even feel its movement. This is like the lead weights used in the car wheel balance.

God – be exalted – said in the Quran, 16: 15​

وَأَلْقَى فِي الأَرْضِ رَوَاسِيَ أَن تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ ​

The explanation: (And He cast [mountains] that landed on the earth; lest it should move irregularly with you.)​

It carried life to the earth, which once was flaming and sterilized of life.

As I said we do not know exactly the condition at that time of the early earth development: its speed; was the falling only tangent in relation to the earth; were the earth and those pieces of the destroyed planets moving in the same direction or in opposite direction; moreover the earth crust was relatively thin, was it yielding so that it absorbs the effect or was it rigid, etc.

eanassir

http://universeandquran.741.com ​

 

[eanassir]

Nice, you're doing all the work for me. Now I can bookmark this one as: scientific evidence that the Quran is false.

Of course remember, the grand master of this world, Loki ripped this land from the breast of Ymir. Then Odin and his brothers, the real deceivers, stole credit for this creation and spread a virulent religion of death and destruction across the land that became of the desiccated meat. The mountains are nothing more than the pinching skin of Ymir as the last of his fiery blood dries from the fleshy land we now call Earth.

And now you know... the rest of the story.

I don't know about your stories; but I know that God sent down the iron included in the meteorites; the old mountains, by definition being fallen down from the outer space, are also some meteorites: in this case big masses falling down from the outer space, and being the parts of the destroyed planets.
The iron that came down included in the meteorite was in its free form; because where meteorites are in the space, there is no oxygen; while on earth the iron does not usaully exist free due its severe affinity to oxygen and other substances.​

God – be exalted – said in the Quran, 57: 25

(و أنزَلنا الحديدَ فيهِ بَأسٌ شَديدٌ و مَنافِعُ لِلنّاسِ ...الخ .)​

The explanation: (And We sent down the iron [included in the meteorites falling down from the space], in which are both keen violence and [many] advantages to people, …etc.)
It means: He sent down iron, included in the meteorites; from these [meteorites] the mountains were [also] formed.

See at our website, the following subject:
The meteorites
And see the question 3 and its answer.​

eanassir​

http://universeandquran.741.com

 

[eanassir]

Mountains were formed when two tectonic plates collide into each other causing the ground to uplift. Imagining having to pieces of paper opposite each other on a table, and then sliding them together so that they touch, pressing into each other. One or both pieces of paper would then move upwards as you push them together. This is similar to two tectonic plates crashing into each other and pushing the land upwards. The Himalayas were formed when the tectonic plate carrying India crashing into what is now mainland Asia. In fact, India is still in the process of crashing into Asia and so the Himalayas are still growing.

There are many mountain ranges that people say are the oldest in the world. Two of the contenders for the world's oldest mountain range are the Urals in Russia and the Highlands in Britain.

I said the mountains newly formed were made by various geological factors.

But still the old mountains had been made by the landing and settling of the parts of the destroyed planets. The indication of the broken up planets in the past, lies in the meteorites which fell and is still falling every now and then. These meteorites come from some destroyed planets in the past, and such meteorites are the remnants of them. There is a large number of meteorites that circulate around the Earth and the rest of the planets.

eanassir​

http://universeandquran.741.com

 

[Zzarchov]

Sorry Eanassir,

But just as your version of science apparently says Mountains somehow came from falling space rocks despite all evidence proving that is false.

My version of the Quaran will now say that Mountains formed when god pressed tectonic plates togethor, despite all evidence you try and show that that is infact not what it says.

It seems only fair.

 

[eanassir]

Sorry Eanassir,

But just as your version of science apparently says Mountains somehow came from falling space rocks despite all evidence proving that is false.

My version of the Quaran will now say that Mountains formed when god pressed tectonic plates togethor, despite all evidence you try and show that that is infact not what it says.

It seems only fair.

There are many Quranic revelations bearing the same meaning:​

• Quran 15: 19

وَالأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ مَّوْزُونٍ​

The explanation: (And the earth have We supplemented, and cast on it heavily landing [mountains], and planted on it of every thing measured [or balanced.] )​

• Quran 50: 7

وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ​

The explanation: (And the earth have We supplemented [with dust particles, meteorites and gases], and cast on it [mountains] that heavily landed, and planted on it of every pleasant kind [of plant.] )​

• Quran 31: 10

خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا وَأَلْقَى فِي الْأَرْضِ رَوَاسِيَ أَن تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ وَبَثَّ فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ دَابَّةٍ وَأَنزَلْنَا مِنَ السَّمَاء مَاء فَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ​

The explanation: (He created the [gaseous] heavens without pillars you can see, and He cast on the earth firm [mountains], lest it sway irregularly with you, and He scattered abroad in it all manner of moving animal. And We sent down out of the sky [rain] water, and caused to grow in [the earth] of every excellent kind [of plant] in spouses [: male and female.] )​

The word أَلْقَى in Arabic means: throw or cast.​

By way, refer to some of the Western translations of the meaning of the Glorious Quran; because these may give the word translation literally, [but beware of their purposes]; while some Muslims twist the meaning to suit their interpretation, and moderate the meaning by the translation, thinking that this is right. ​

This is similar to many versions of the Bible which are in fact the translations from an intermediate source [Greek mostly]; the original Hebrew or Aramic source is lost.​

See for example: A. J. Arberry translation of the above three ayat:
Quran 15: 19
"And the earth -- We stretched it forth, and cast on it firm mountains, and We caused to grow therein of every thing justly weighed"​

Quran 50: 7
"And the earth -- We stretched it forth, and cast on it firm mountains, and We caused to grow therein of every joyous kind for an insight and a reminder to every penitent servant"​

Quran 31: 10
"He created the heavens without pillars you can see, and He cast on the earth firm mountains, lest it shake with you, and He scattered abroad in it all manner of crawling thing. And We sent down out of heaven water, and caused to grow in it of every generous kind."​

N.B. The word in the Quran came exactly by using "in" rather than "on"; (cast in) rather than (cast on); which may indicate the casting was not with force or was not strong: not like "cast mountains on the earth", but rather like "cast mountains in the earth".

Moreover, there are many other Quranic revelations with the same implication; but I cannot compel others to accept any idea unless God wills.​

eanassir​

http://universeandquran.741.com