Montebello - SPP is about US military command

[Karlin]

NAFTA on steroids? The SPP talks in Montebello this weekend are a threat to soveriegnty. The participants deny that, but read on -

Sovereignty rhetoric contradicted by turnover of controls on military and immigration
http://www.harperindex.ca/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=0081

the agreement under discussion this week by Canadian, US and Mexican leaders Harper, Bush and Calderon should more properly be framed as a secret agreement to hand sweeping military, immigration and border control of all three countries over to the US.

the proponents of North American integration seized upon 9/11 as an opportunity to advance their cause.

David O'Brien, the CEO of Canadian Pacific and now Chairman of the Board of Royal Bank of Canada, argued Canada would have to adopt US-style immigration policies to keep the border open. He said that we have to make North Americans secure from the outside. 'We're going to lose increasingly our sovereignty but it's necessarily so.'

No its NOT!!! Canada is not under any significant threat from terrorism, show me the bodies.... nada.

It is a farce, this war on terror.

It is being used to frighten citizens of Canada into accepting this increased militarisation going on all around us.

 

[MikeyDB]

Welcome to Planet America.

 

[eh1eh]

The only reason Bush came is because he thought they said Montchello.

 

[MikeyDB]

Eh1Eh

How are you my friend?..

George Bush was lucky enough to have Karl Rove or some other sterling intellect tell him where Canada was in the first place...

The man isn't a moron...

Calling George Bush a moron is an insult to morons.

 

[eh1eh]

He He.:smile:

George Bush is like a rock, only dumber.

 

[goat]

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'nuff said...

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

All the attack ads on Dion make sense now, Harper needed to neutralize any opposition in Parliment to clear a way for this betrayal of our sovereignty. He'd just take Alberta out of Confederation if he could, but that's not possible so we'll all have to lose our national identity and many of the freedoms we had.

This is about US free access to Canadas natural resources- oil, water, uranium etc...and control of immigration. It's been bad enough here in BC with Kinder Morgan and CN screwing up the environemnt with oil and rail spills, now our "government" wants to make it easier for other companies to do the same. Maybe it is time for a citizens revolution, I know many in the US don't support this BS either.

 

[Toro]

Keep up the good work Stephen with this NAU thing. Just like Martin and Chretien did. It's getting a hassle passing through customs at the Minneapolis airport, and frankly, I'd just rather not have to deal with it anymore.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Here's an idea, if it's so important to you to have access to the US why not move there instead of demanding the rest of us come along too whether we like it or not. The same for Harper, he seems to admire the US conservative philosophy and focus on material wealth more than traditional Canadian values.

 

[MikeyDB]

Cobalt

Imagine a slightly over-weight rather dull looking fellow with an ostrich feather boa and eye makeup...standing next to George Bush. That's Stephen Harper and he's dressed just like the street-walker he is...

You can't buy Canada but everyone knows a Harper comes cheap...

 

[mabudon]

Stop the SPP

Kinda interesting- there's no denying that the thing is underway already.

It's quite odd to listen for references to "SPP" in the mainstream, there really aren't too many- the montebello thingy keeps getting called a "Leaders Summit", as if it's a free-form meet-and-greet, which would be fine by me if it were true
The "feelgood" aspect to the stories circulating yesterday (and I suppose the "SEE these folks are protesting AGAINST CANADA!!!!"" moment) was how after describing the actions of the protestors, it was said that Harper planned on discussing Arctic sovreignty, as if this meeting was going to see Harper standing up and doing good for our nation- how we could sign regulatory control over to the US while having the slightest interest in "sovreignty" is VERY puzzling to me

And don't forget, Cheney came right out and said that the SPP was created by conspiracy theorists, the ravings of madmen- NOT just the details of it, but the entire SPP and all these meetings and everything- if he'd characterized it as some kind of exaggeration, that'd be fine- disingenuous, but that's how them types talk- however, flat-out denying the very existence of this (admittedly poorly publicized, if at all) "charter" is VERY suspicious

Should be an interesting fall session eh??

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

A North American Union would be vastly different from a European Union. There are 26 members in the EU and no one nation dominates. A NAU would give the much larger US economy and culture free reign over both Mexico and Canada, what little national identity we have left would be in jeopardy.

 

[Logic 7]

THe only differences with broakbackmountain and those 2 bozo, is the people in brokback mountain ,did their coming out.

 

[YoungJoonKim]

We all know Stephen don't care about people of Canada because he knows what's best for Canada.
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[Colpy]

The usual baffklegab and BS from the left.....no specifics of how this "integrated military" would operate.....BTW, the defense of North America has been integrated since NORAD.......about 60 years. Byers is a little behind the times......

How quickly he reveals his real problem......

We are seeing the Canadian Forces being given more and more equipment. We're even buying new tanks.

God forbid Canada have a REAL military! The existence of which, BTW, is a prerequisite of Canadian sovereignty, not a detractor from it. I'd love to know how having the Americans single-handedly defend us is a a boon to Canadian sovereignty......talk about double-think!

Then we get this:

And why should we volunteer for the most dangerous mission in Afghanistan, a forward-leaning, war- fighting search and kill mission supported by US airstrikes and working in tandem with a US-led and -commanded mission that is not part of the NATO command?

Simple. The Liberals were desperate to find some excuse to avoid our duty to our allies and stay out of Iraq......a reasonably wise decision, as it turns out, but despite pleas from the UNITED NATIONS, we had not volunteered to help stabilize Afghanistan.......until the murderous job in the south was the only position not taken.......thus it fell to us by default.

And listen to this crap:

Why have 67 Canadian soldiers died in Afghanistan? Why did Private Simon Longtin die today?

Partly because idiots like Michael Byers have supported the Liberal/NDP gutting of our military, thus denying the troops the helicopters and high-tech equipment they need to protect themselves.......and they continue to whine when the gov't buys off-the-shelf to get delivery as rapidly as possible, instead of going through the usual bidding deal which takes DECADES! Listen, Byers, want to know who is partly responsible for the deaths of some of our troops, look in the f%$king mirror, arsehole!

The rights of human beings to asylum when they're being persecuted for their religious or political opinions or ethnic identities is one of the most fundamental rights of all.

BULL****! We are under absolutely NO obligation to take in anybody from anywhere, and should NOT take in refugees unwilling to give up their tribal battles. Air India is the logical result of idiotic immigration policies.

And just to end on a good
note, THIS I agree with.....the anti-terror bill should be dumped completely, it is an outrage. 9-11 did provide gov't an excuse to grab powers it is simply unentitled to:

Then there was Nancy Hughes Anthony, the President of the Canadian Chambers of Commerce who said that we're not going to get anywhere with our American friends unless we can show we have good strong anti-terrorist legislation and we intend to enforce it. The result was the 2001 Anti- terrorism Act, which, of course was modelled on the [US] Patriot Act.

Unfortunately, Byers is so out there in paranoia and lefty stupidity, his valid points get lost in the muck slinging.

 

[Karlin]

Colpy, thats just sillyness. Either you don't get it at all or you are just getting excited by being on the other side of reality.

We do not need to be fighting "terrorists" - since 9/11 there has not been 100s of Americans and certainly no Canadians dying at the hands of suicide bombers. They are simply not interested in coming over here. Even bin Laden said he would only attack American targets on Arabn soils, but never in the mainland USA. And certainly not Canada!! The War on Terror is just a fake excuse to go for Iraqi oil, and you know it [you said so].

Only fools fall for this made-up threat! What are they so afraid of? Have you been getting bombed lately?

Its only the fact that Bush stirs up a hornets nest by invading Iraq that might make some Islamic radicals want to hurt us, and there never was any Iraq connection to 9/11 - you do know that by now don't you?

Right, I remember now - Colpy, you are just whacking off here. You are very good at pissing me off, and thats really why you do it. You know you do not have any basis for what you write....

 

[Karlin]

And one more thing - its not really a "left-right" issue at all, and your link gave me this quote:

"Twice during the press conference, Harper took pains to profess that SPP was really not his idea, but a deal he inherited from his liberal predecessor, Paul Martin."

See? the Liberals and the Conservatives are both on the same side of this thing - its about business people taking over government to advance their own agenda.

militarism and corporatism are issues that socialists do fight against, but there are a alot of non-socialists fighting the SPP agenda.

 

[Niflmir]

Keep up the good work Stephen with this NAU thing. Just like Martin and Chretien did. It's getting a hassle passing through customs at the Minneapolis airport, and frankly, I'd just rather not have to deal with it anymore.

I feel exactly the same way. I have long felt like we needed further integration with the rest of the world, but the lack of transparency bothers me. If I could read the minutes, drafts of the conferences and such I would be a lot more comfortable with the whole process.

They were talking about instituting a secure driver's license system at least. That would be fantastic. I would like something like that, phone up the border people and tell them you are dropping by later. They check your criminal record and all that junk, you check out so you can get the light treatment. There is no reason ordinary people don't deserve low security risk treatment.

 

[Colpy]

We do not need to be fighting "terrorists" - since 9/11 there has not been 100s of Americans and certainly no Canadians dying at the hands of suicide bombers.

Has it ever occured to you that the lack of a successful attack on North America since 9-11 is because the terrorists have no place to openly train, arm, and plan? That that is because we've whacked them quite well in Afghanistan? That the 69 Canadian soldiers that died there did so protecting your arse? As george Orwell said "We sleep peaceful in our beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf"

They are simply not interested in coming over here. Even bin Laden said he would only attack American targets on Arabn soils, but never in the mainland USA. And certainly not Canada!! The War on Terror is just a fake excuse to go for Iraqi oil, and you know it [you said so].

WOW! First of all, I've NEVER said this was a "fake excuse to go after Iraqi oil". Secondly, someone should tell bin Laden he is not interesting in "coming over here". I think 19 of his buddies missed the message on Sept. 11, 2001. Thirdly, Canada was SPECIFICALLY threatened in one of bin Laden's messages. Fourthly, the terrorist arrested pre-9-11 smuggling explosives into the USA to attack LAX originally planned an attack on the Jews of MONTREAL,on bin Laden's orders. Before we were anywhere near Afghanistan.

Only fools fall for this made-up threat! What are they so afraid of? Have you been getting bombed lately?

Only fools ignore facts in favour of ideology. See above.
Only get bombed on Saturday night, and not even then lately. (sigh)

Its only the fact that Bush stirs up a hornets nest by invading Iraq that might make some Islamic radicals want to hurt us, and there never was any Iraq connection to 9/11 - you do know that by now don't you?

The first sentence is just dumbass......9-11 happened before G W. invaded Iraq......so did the attacks on US embassies in Africa, the attack on the USS Cole, the original attack on the WTC.......

And yes, I know there is no solid connection between al Queda and Saddam.

Right, I remember now - Colpy, you are just whacking off here. You are very good at pissing me off, and thats really why you do it. You know you do not have any basis for what you write...

That's right.......I've formulated my entire framework of political ideas and beliefs just to piss you off.......:roll: