Missile "defence"?

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Reverend Blair

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That's the joy of a minority government, No1...sometimes our leaders are forced to listen to the people. Martin was fully for this until the polls made Harper start backing away from it.

When that happened Martin didn't have a political leg left to stand on. His caucus was split (sounds painful) and with the Conservatives backing away from it, it could have brought down the government.
 
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Mooseskin Johnny

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Re: RE: Missile "defence"?

Jay said:
I don't get the whole position Canada takes on this issue.
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Neither do the rest of us. Martin has been waffling all over the place. He's playing both sides of the fence. Don't take too much of this at face value. But, continue to hold his feet to the fire.
 
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Re: RE: Missile "defence"?

no1important said:
There will be a day when the countries of earth will have to unite against a common cause.
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Do you have something planned your not telling us about? :)
 
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Roy_Whyte

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Milssile defence is only something that plays well to the uniformed among the populations of Canada and the US. It does not work, and never will.

Russia and China are already building more missiles with better decoys and more warheads per missile. No 'rogue' nation has the ability to hit American soil. No nation could launch without being identified by every spy satellite having nation and thus whipped from the face of the earth.

Missile defence is nothing more than an soft issue to rally the uniformed, enrich the wealthy arms industry and their minority shareholders and to further ramp up efforts to start a new cold war. Starting a cold war serves a direct long time purpose among many in the United States government. They need fear to keep control of the people. Their use of the communist boogeyman was well established and it let them pilfer the US coffers like never before. Its allowed them to keep the people scared and give away their rights and better judgement.

Canadians were better educated via our media and lobby groups and thus made the intelligent choice - no to war and proliferation. As there is only ONE WAY to stop missiles - get rid of them all - not build thousands more. For missile defence to ever work it DEPENDS on their being very few missiles not thousands.

To all those supporters of missile defence who are stewing in their juices over Martins democratic choice - too damn bad - the majority spoke and as long as we are a democratic nation that adheres to morals and inherent rights of the electorate - going Bush in anything is not going to happen.
 
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Reverend Blair

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Well put, Roy. Building this system also plays well with the fear-mongering that the Bush administration uses so much. Canadians are much less likely to believe such claims, so things like BMD are a much harder sell here.
 
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Liberal Aggression

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It boggles the mind that so much of the public has bought into the necessity of such a system in the first place.

In today's world, the odds of a ballistic missile attack are about as good as the odds of Fox broadcasting factual reporting. I highly doubt a missile from space will be able to target a Loomis van full of explosives in a state capital.

All this weaponization of space will do is spur on a new arms race with the next world superpower.
 
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Ten Packs said:
$130 Billion into it, $50 Billion more to come
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We can be secure in the knowledge that none of it is coming our way. Yay!! Lost revenue!!

Does anyone truly believe in this "hit a bullet with a bullet" concept?
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Doesn't matter. The spin-off technologies just in trying to make it work will make the effort worthwhile.

I don't really care about missile defense, I've said before I'm totally on the fence about it, and I still am. I do agree that the money could be better spent elsewhere. But the fact is it's not being spent elsewhere, and I really don't see what we have to gain by not participating. If any of the 12.9 Billion Martin has earmarked for the military goes to anything worthwhile (like, say, building a helicopter or submarine factory in the maritimes) then I'll be impressed.

This talk of sovereignty is just embarrassing. Of course the US is gonna shoot at a missile over Canada if they can. They're not gonna call and ask for permission no matter what we do. No one will have time to even think about discussing it, it will be shoot now or fohgetaboutit.

Just my three cents (inflation)
 
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hollaback

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I think that we are all naive to think that just because a missile hasn't been fired at North America it won't happen...must I remind you all about September 11th. How many people thought nothing like that could ever happen. I am not saying us smart Canadians are that ignorant :wink: , but we have to remember the age we live in, the impossible is becoming possible.
I am so proud that Martin had the balls to say no to Bush. If anything we held our soverignty by not doing whatever our neighbors want. I don't think that if this was a majority government that we would be involved...politcs is all about getting elected, and there is no way in hell Martin would get elected again if he went along with Bush.
America is going to do whatever they want...I don't know how much it would matter if we sat at the table, I doubt if we said no to anything they would listen. America just needs someone else to blame if all goes wrong...I for one would hate to see that be Canada. By Canada staying out of this we are showing the world that we are own people, and no American president is going to boss us around
Well done Canada!
 
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Reverend Blair

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Well done Canada, indeed. I just wish there was a little more distance between us and the US right now.


I think that we are all naive to think that just because a missile hasn't been fired at North America it won't happen...must I remind you all about September 11th.
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Actually a lot of people had been predicting a terrorist attack in the continetal US for a very long time. The surprise was how long it took to happen, not that it happened.
 
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hollaback

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I don't think so....a lot of people were astonished that it happened to them...they were away from all that terrorist junk, they figured they were invincible...I am not talking about the guy who studies this stuff, but the regular joe.
I really don't think that we are that far away from missiles being shot from Korea to Washington...it is a scary thought, but I would rather expect it then be surprised when it happened...you know what i mean?
 
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Reverend Blair

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I don't think so....a lot of people were astonished that it happened to them...they were away from all that terrorist junk, they figured they were invincible...I am not talking about the guy who studies this stuff, but the regular joe.
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That's because that's what they were told though. The experts knew better, but the government and the press didn't publicize it. Most people weren't (still aren't) even aware of US foreign poloicy that will inevitably anger people.

While we're approaching the subject...look for the next group of terrorists to be from South America. They've pretty much had enough too.



I really don't think that we are that far away from missiles being shot from Korea to Washington...it is a scary thought, but I would rather expect it then be surprised when it happened...you know what i mean?
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There is no evidence that the insane leader of North Korea is suicidal and they don't have enough missiles with the capability of reaching North America for an effective first strike, so the possibility of an attack is remote.

Given Bush's policies in the Middle East and Central Asia, there is a better chance that any missile attack would come from those old standbys Russia and China. Both countries have already clearly stated that they are developing systems that would overwhelm BMD. Feel that chill in the air? It's the new Cold War starting up.
 
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dan_c22

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hollaback said:
I am so proud that Martin had the balls to say no to Bush.
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If there is one thing that Martin lacks, it surely is balls. He should have had the "balls" to make this decision 6 months ago.
 
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