You are so haughty and proud so that the parable that I said is applicable to you.
The Quran is the light for all humanity, and the Al-Hilly is not ignorant, but you are the ignorant at least to his intepretation.
The Universe and the Quran
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You are so haughty and proud so that the parable that I said is applicable to you.
The Quran is the light for all humanity, and the Al-Hilly is not ignorant, but you are the ignorant at least to his intepretation.
The Universe and the Quran
I still think you're playing games. Nobody that close to a keyboard can be 1500 years behind in reality.
Why meteors go right and left and other directions
There are two causes other than what astronomers know:
1- there are rocks in the space, and these rocks are cold objects, so when the meteor inflames or ignites after becoming in contact with the upper layers of the atmosphere, then the meteor will be a hot object, and there will be some attraction between the hot meteor and the cold rocks which will cause the deviation of the meteor to the right or to the left or other directions according to the position of these rocks.
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2- the other cause which atheists and disbelievers deny, is that some of the meteors are used by angels to throw it on devils to burn or punish such devils and drive them away; so when the angels at guard see a devil, they throw the meteor on him, so he will run away.
As in the Quran 37: 10
The explanation:
(Except [such devil] who snatched some snatching* [from the angels] and was then pursued by a flashing meteor.)
It means: a flaming meteor.
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*i.e. so that he overheard a news from the angels, and that was in the past, but nowadays [:at the time the Quran was revealed], he cannot overhear any news from the angels in heaven.
Also, God - be exalted - said in the Quran 72: 8
The explanation:
([The genies or demons, who listened to the Quran, said:] And [we had ascended up in the space until] we had touched the [ethereal or spiritual] heaven [with our hands,] but had found it filled with stern guards [: angels] and meteors [under that heaven.] )
There are two causes other than what astronomers know:
1- there are rocks in the space, and these rocks are cold objects, so when the meteor inflames or ignites after becoming in contact with the upper layers of the atmosphere, then the meteor will be a hot object, and there will be some attraction between the hot meteor and the cold rocks which will cause the deviation of the meteor to the right or to the left or other directions according to the position of these rocks.
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2- the other cause which atheists and disbelievers deny, is that some of the meteors are used by angels to throw it on devils to burn or punish such devils and drive them away; so when the angels at guard see a devil, they throw the meteor on him, so he will run away.
As in the Quran 37: 10
إِلَّا مَنْ خَطِفَ الْخَطْفَةَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ ثَاقِبٌ
The explanation:
(Except [such devil] who snatched some snatching* [from the angels] and was then pursued by a flashing meteor.)
It means: a flaming meteor.
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*i.e. so that he overheard a news from the angels, and that was in the past, but nowadays [:at the time the Quran was revealed], he cannot overhear any news from the angels in heaven.
Also, God - be exalted - said in the Quran 72: 8
وَأَنَّا لَمَسْنَا السَّمَاء فَوَجَدْنَاهَا مُلِئَتْ حَرَسًا شَدِيدًا وَشُهُبًا
The explanation:
([The genies or demons, who listened to the Quran, said:] And [we had ascended up in the space until] we had touched the [ethereal or spiritual] heaven [with our hands,] but had found it filled with stern guards [: angels] and meteors [under that heaven.] )
Therefore, the devil has a relatively cold body in comparison to the meteor which has become hot, then the meteor will pursue the devil or the genie like the rocket that pursues the fighting plane wherever it goes until it bursts it; because it is sensitive to the heat of the airoplane.
So the angel ignites the meteor as do you ignite a match stick.
So the angel ignites the meteor as do you ignite a match stick.
Comment: one of our friends said that the genies who inhabit the gaseous layers of the atmosphere are punished by the meteor showers which fall on them from above and burn or punish them when they become wrongdoer. This is in comparison of the people on earth who are punished by earthquakes or floods ..etc.
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Regarding your point #1, perhaps then you could explain why in all calculations involving gravitational interactions, from simple falling bodies near the surface of the earth to the large scale structure of the universe, no account is taken of the temperature of the bodies involved, yet the calculations come out right.
Regarding your point #2, when you bring magic into a science discussion you disqualify yourself as incompetent to discuss it.
Regarding your point #2, when you bring magic into a science discussion you disqualify yourself as incompetent to discuss it.
eanassir, in earlier posts you have briefly mentioned your education. Since then I have burned out at least one hard drive
and I don't remember what your degree was, or where you studied. The reason I ask is that you don't seem to have
much in the way of scientific training and you seem to be leaving yourself open to ridicule. Do you have a degree in any
scientific field? Do you have any scientific training?
He's claimed to be a medical doctor, which I find hard to believe. If you have Google search for his user name, you'll see that he's been posting this drivel on various message boards since at least 2007, and of course convincing nobody. There's no doubt it's the same guy, the style is unmistakable, and many of the posts are word for word what he's posted here. His profile here doesn't give his location, but one of them on another board put him in Baghdad.
Not at all; always the calculations come defective, and they give some excuses of some delay ...etc.
It is not magic; but this is the way of atheists and non-believers; they are materialistic.
Because you don't believe (actually you believe within your conscience, but then contradict such belief) in God, neither in the prophets, nor in the Torah nor in the Quran, and you tell yourself: there is no genies (or aliens) dwelling in the gaseous layers --> therefore you say this is mythology. No, it is not any magic. So you are intelligent to some extent, but you are not wise.
Leave be my scientific training now, and I tell you: you are not that scientific with your way of thinking.
This is because Astronomy is full of defects and faults, and even then you follow blindly what they say and postulate.
Why there are many mistakes: Because the celestial objects are far from us, and most of the data obtained are indirect.
Take for example what they think about comets:
They do not differentiate between rocks in the space and the comets. They went to a rock in the space and hit it with a metal piece and called it the Deep Impact, thinking it is a comet.
They say the comet is a rock including dirty ice inside it, then when it becomes near to the Sun, it will have the jet of water vapor which is the tail of the comet. This is the ridicule and anyone believes this is ridicule.
The planets have their own meteors
Each planet has its own meteors just like the Earth.
Such meteors are in the lowermost layer of the ethereal heavens.
(We have adorned the nearest heaven [to your earth] with [meteors, like] the adornment of the planets.
And that [meteors] may preserve against every rebellious devil.
[The devils now] cannot listen to the high noble [angels], but are pelted [with meteors] from every side.
To outcast them, and there will be for them another chastisement [on the Judgment Day.]
Except [such devil] who snatched some snatching [from the angels] and was pursued by a flaming meteor.)
The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 37: 1- 10
إِنَّازَيَّنَّا السَّمَاء الدُّنْيَا بِزِينَةٍ الْكَوَاكِبِ
وَحِفْظًامِّن كُلِّ شَيْطَانٍ مَّارِدٍ .
لَايَسَّمَّعُونَ إِلَى الْمَلَإِ الْأَعْلَى وَيُقْذَفُونَ مِن كُلِّ جَانِبٍ .
دُحُورًاوَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ وَاصِبٌ .
إِلَّا مَنْ خَطِفَ الْخَطْفَةَ فَأَتْبَعَهُشِهَابٌ ثَاقِبٌ
إِلَّا مَنْ خَطِفَ الْخَطْفَةَ فَأَتْبَعَهُشِهَابٌ ثَاقِبٌ
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Nonsense. We can predict eclipses to the second, get satellites into stable orbits, calculate planetary positions for centuries into the past and the future, calculate cometary orbits accurately and get spacecraft to them, send robotic machines to visit the planets, correctly analyze meteor showers, all without taking any account of the temperatures of the bodies involved. You'll have to do better than just your unsubstantiated claim. I'm pretty sure I know how you'll try to argue this point though.
These are not related to any heat or gravity.
While meteor showers frequently they don't come as they predict: only they may see few meteors when they watch for such showers: and this happened at many occasons.
WHAT!? Satellite orbits, spacecraft trajectories, cometary orbits, etc., aren't related to gravity? Somewhat to my surprise, it appears you understand even less than I thought. But at least you fulfilled my expectations precisely. You just denied the facts.
They come when predicted, but it's impossible to accurately predict what the count will be, depends on the density of the debris stream where the Earth's path crosses it. That's highly variable, and since most of the meteoroids are sand to pea sized, it's not really practical to try to measure it.
Meteors are every night occurence; and you answered it as I should do.
Satellite orbits, spacecraft trajectories
There has been always some delay or correction of the date and the designed plan: i.e. alwyas there has been some mistakes that were corrected practically not theoretically.
While cometar orbit: nothing like cometary orbits; the comets are uncountable, and their mistakes concerning comets are so obvious, and even they consider the rocks as comets.
E.g. according to their calculations, some astronomer bothered himself of observing the coming of Halley's comet, and he watched and watched; then he found with his telescope a faint comet from faraway, and he was glad because he thought that it was Halley's comet was that which he saw; while it was not and completely different, so he said: it is part of Halley's comet.
That's true, though it's not correct to call them mistakes. There's a simple explanation for it, and it's not because our understanding of gravity is incorrect. Any interaction involving more than two bodies cannot be analytically solved exactly, and it's so widely known among physicists that they've named it, it's called the Three Body Problem, and they've generalized it to the N-Body Problem. Isaac Newton first tried to work it out for the Earth-Sun-Moon system and realized it couldn't be done exactly. The only way to calculate it is by successive approximations using things like summing up terms in an infinite power series or trigonometric series, though I doubt you know what they are, to provide whatever degree of accuracy is practical. And at NO point does temperature enter the calculations, it's simply not a factor.
Certainly you Dexter Sinister is qualified and good in science.
I studied trigonometry, Algebra, geometry and 3Dimensional geometry in the secondary school more than 40 years ago, and truly I forgot most of that because I don't need it.
In the first year in the university, I studied elementary physics, general chemistry; then in the second year I studied biochemistry; in the third year I studied clinical pharmacology: the rest of my study was medical branches and related sciences.
I had only the college certificate, and I could not have a higher degree.
So anyhow, if astronomers are wrong at calculations, it is not shameful; because science works to correct their mistakes.
All these are observations that can be explained in many ways.
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Sine, sine everywhere a sine blocking out the scenery and breaking my mind.
Do do this.
Don do that.
Can't you read the sine?
And the sine said everybody welcome, come in, kneel down and pray.
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all, I didn't have a penny to pay, so I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sine.
I said "Thank you Lord for thinking about me, I'm alive and doing fine."
Do do this.
Don do that.
Can't you read the sine?
And the sine said everybody welcome, come in, kneel down and pray.
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all, I didn't have a penny to pay, so I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sine.
I said "Thank you Lord for thinking about me, I'm alive and doing fine."
Are you inviting people to God alone, or are you hindering people and diverting them away from God's religion?
Have you ever considered that maybe Mathematics is God's language?
Nope...a real guitar.
BTW the guitar is the perfect example of a sine at work and how long man has been "in tune" with the sine.
You can't learn to ride a bicycle a from a book.
Jesus could ride a bike, walk on water and swim on land.
Moses and Mo too.
You could learn a lot from Jesus as he spouts about Mass in motion while riding his bicycle....