Meanwhile, down in the US
- Thread starter hermite
- Start date
A deaf man has a legitimate reason why he can't hear you Beve but it's a lot different when the droobies around you choose to plead deafness....
No point in trying to sell a chicken to a deaf man Beve and no point in attempting to counter the spin that's given significant numbers of folk hereabouts a frontal lobotomy...that they haven't even noticed..... well actually that says something in and of itself now doesn't it!
No point in trying to sell a chicken to a deaf man Beve and no point in attempting to counter the spin that's given significant numbers of folk hereabouts a frontal lobotomy...that they haven't even noticed..... well actually that says something in and of itself now doesn't it!
Let's identify who needs what in the question of the deaf man and the chicken.
I'm a mechanic so we'll trouble shoot,
A/ the need is not the deaf mans, it's mine, and that's to unload a chicken
B/the man can't hear my sales pitch, because he's deaf
C/ I have identified the task and the malfunction
D/ I need another tool, voice won't do
E/ luckily I have an Acme hearing aid in the truck
F/ he hears my story and tells me the chickens bad and to phuckoff he's waiting for the bus
G/ I insist that he must have that chicken or I can't have my steak
H/ he beats the snot out of me, boards the bus which rolls over a landmine at the end of the street and he's hospitalized for weeks
I/ I visit him in the hospital with the chicken, I write him a note explaining his error about the chicken that could have saved him the pain
J/ he can't get rid of me, he buys the chicken eats it and dies a week after release from the hospital
K/ rome wasn't built in a day, and there's more than one way to sell a chicken even to the deaf, sometimes people need a hand to discover the beauty of new food, if they won't consider a different dinner, it's not my fault, I did all that I could to move that damn chicken to get my steak, I can sleep good and start again tomorrow with a fresh chicken
I'm a mechanic so we'll trouble shoot,
A/ the need is not the deaf mans, it's mine, and that's to unload a chicken
B/the man can't hear my sales pitch, because he's deaf
C/ I have identified the task and the malfunction
D/ I need another tool, voice won't do
E/ luckily I have an Acme hearing aid in the truck
F/ he hears my story and tells me the chickens bad and to phuckoff he's waiting for the bus
G/ I insist that he must have that chicken or I can't have my steak
H/ he beats the snot out of me, boards the bus which rolls over a landmine at the end of the street and he's hospitalized for weeks
I/ I visit him in the hospital with the chicken, I write him a note explaining his error about the chicken that could have saved him the pain
J/ he can't get rid of me, he buys the chicken eats it and dies a week after release from the hospital
K/ rome wasn't built in a day, and there's more than one way to sell a chicken even to the deaf, sometimes people need a hand to discover the beauty of new food, if they won't consider a different dinner, it's not my fault, I did all that I could to move that damn chicken to get my steak, I can sleep good and start again tomorrow with a fresh chicken
Last edited:
Iowa is first, and 96% white, 3% black, 1% something else. Maybe gray. Only 93% of caucus goers were white, a wonderful signal as black or gray representation was virtually doubly represented, or maybe white apathy outstripped black apathy.
And out of this white state comes a ringing endorsement for the black candidate Obama. I had a good feeling that history would be made in this election, and I wondered, what times these are when the president of the United States may more likely be black or female than white male? The Republicans are going down.
With this signal triumph Obama may start a democratic landslide, or maybe not, but to say that these times are interesting is an understatement. The psychological advantage of Iowa has been credited with Jimmy Carter's presidential victory. The first black president of the United States of America has what it takes to take Iowa, so I say this guy's going long. He's going all the way!
And out of this white state comes a ringing endorsement for the black candidate Obama. I had a good feeling that history would be made in this election, and I wondered, what times these are when the president of the United States may more likely be black or female than white male? The Republicans are going down.
With this signal triumph Obama may start a democratic landslide, or maybe not, but to say that these times are interesting is an understatement. The psychological advantage of Iowa has been credited with Jimmy Carter's presidential victory. The first black president of the United States of America has what it takes to take Iowa, so I say this guy's going long. He's going all the way!
In the Thrall of AIPAC
Why Obama Can't Save Us
By MISSY COMLEY BEATTIE
01/05/08 "Counterpunch" -- -- Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh recently said that Barack Obama is our "only hope" to "lead a reconciliation between the Muslim countries and the US." Why? Because Obama's father was a Muslim.
I simply don't follow Hersh's logic here. Seems to me the actions of a president are more important than some familial affiliation with a particular religion-not to mention that candidate Obama has aligned himself with Israel.
These are some of Obama's comments during a speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
For Barack Obama to say that "our job is to lay out another road map" for peace while we are providing military support to Israel as the country launches attacks on Palestinians is hypocrisy. There is more than a conflict of interest for the US to go to the table, act as peace brokers, and make demands. But, then, that is what we do as self-appointed police officers to the world. We decry the violence in Kenya. Condi Rice has just made a statement that it must stop. But the violence perpetrated on the Iraqi and Afghan populations by her boss's policies continues without end. Our violence is good violence. Anyone else's is barbaric.
It matters little to me that Barack Obama says he was against invading Iraq. After all, he votes to continue funding it. If this presidential candidate wanted to mend relations with Muslims, he could start by voting against additional war funding.
And he could say no to AIPAC-but this would be political suicide.
Missy Beattie lives in New York City. She's written for National Public Radio and Nashville Life Magazine. An outspoken critic of the Bush Administration and the war in Iraq, she's a member of Gold Star Families for Peace. She completed a novel last year, but since the death of her nephew, Marine Lance Cpl. Chase J. Comley, in Iraq on August 6,'05, she has been writing political articles. She can be reached at:
Why Obama Can't Save Us
By MISSY COMLEY BEATTIE
01/05/08 "Counterpunch" -- -- Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh recently said that Barack Obama is our "only hope" to "lead a reconciliation between the Muslim countries and the US." Why? Because Obama's father was a Muslim.
I simply don't follow Hersh's logic here. Seems to me the actions of a president are more important than some familial affiliation with a particular religion-not to mention that candidate Obama has aligned himself with Israel.
These are some of Obama's comments during a speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC):
"Our job is to rebuild the road to real peace and lasting security throughout the region, "Our job is to do more than lay out another road map."
"That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: Our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. "That will always be my starting point."
And calling for sustained military support to Israel, Obama said: "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs.""That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: Our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. "That will always be my starting point."
For Barack Obama to say that "our job is to lay out another road map" for peace while we are providing military support to Israel as the country launches attacks on Palestinians is hypocrisy. There is more than a conflict of interest for the US to go to the table, act as peace brokers, and make demands. But, then, that is what we do as self-appointed police officers to the world. We decry the violence in Kenya. Condi Rice has just made a statement that it must stop. But the violence perpetrated on the Iraqi and Afghan populations by her boss's policies continues without end. Our violence is good violence. Anyone else's is barbaric.
It matters little to me that Barack Obama says he was against invading Iraq. After all, he votes to continue funding it. If this presidential candidate wanted to mend relations with Muslims, he could start by voting against additional war funding.
And he could say no to AIPAC-but this would be political suicide.
Missy Beattie lives in New York City. She's written for National Public Radio and Nashville Life Magazine. An outspoken critic of the Bush Administration and the war in Iraq, she's a member of Gold Star Families for Peace. She completed a novel last year, but since the death of her nephew, Marine Lance Cpl. Chase J. Comley, in Iraq on August 6,'05, she has been writing political articles. She can be reached at:
Colpy, "One of the worst things to happen to western culture and society was the idea that it is cool to be a paranoid conspiracy theorist."
Cynicism is deceiving. The clever knowing of nothing, but something evil, extrapolated through selected facts, culminating in a shocking conclusion. Actually, the conclusion comes first, and the rest is reverse egineered to fit. I tell myself night and day until I believe in me.
Combine attention-grabbing gobbledegook with a radical hairdoo and some deviant music...
Look at me! Look at me! Look you machine bred fool! The world is not going to Heaven or Hell, it IS Hell, planet Hell, and you may as well be dead, because you're wasting your time. Only I, and the knowing ones, realize that it was all over at the outset, that you are hopelessly deluded, and the likes of you are the enemies of the likes of me.
If you knew what I know, you'd kill yourself. But I live to tell the truth, even though it is wassted on you. Blah, blah, blah.
One of the worst things to happen to western culture and society was the idea that it is ool to hate Americans, capitalism, democracy and whatever else should not be hated. This contrarian cry for help is usually outgrown by the age of 20, but some people never grow up.
Cynicism is deceiving. The clever knowing of nothing, but something evil, extrapolated through selected facts, culminating in a shocking conclusion. Actually, the conclusion comes first, and the rest is reverse egineered to fit. I tell myself night and day until I believe in me.
Combine attention-grabbing gobbledegook with a radical hairdoo and some deviant music...
Look at me! Look at me! Look you machine bred fool! The world is not going to Heaven or Hell, it IS Hell, planet Hell, and you may as well be dead, because you're wasting your time. Only I, and the knowing ones, realize that it was all over at the outset, that you are hopelessly deluded, and the likes of you are the enemies of the likes of me.
If you knew what I know, you'd kill yourself. But I live to tell the truth, even though it is wassted on you. Blah, blah, blah.
One of the worst things to happen to western culture and society was the idea that it is ool to hate Americans, capitalism, democracy and whatever else should not be hated. This contrarian cry for help is usually outgrown by the age of 20, but some people never grow up.
Thankyou Jim; Your lack of ability to engage in intelligant debate about the contemporary issues, history, science etc; serves as an example of mediocrity passed off as the wisdom of one who has "grown up" as you put it. I would suggest that capitulation to power is not a gauge of maturity but rather a gauge of weak or compromized ideals.
Furthermore as well as displaying your own inabilitys via argument it also insults everyone who paritcipates in the discussion no matter what perspective they present. You add nothing of interest or value to the debate with childish, moronic,antics reminisant of the school yard.
If you could discount anything I or the others have contributed here you would perhaps have already done so, since you haven't I am left to assume that you are incapable of engagement on any meaningful level. And that sir is the mark of the true "machine bred"buffoon who long ago lost thier way in the real world and begs every other citizen to join them in a poverty of criticle thought and community interaction.
If I felt as you do I would have abandoned any thought of collective correction and societal growth or justice and joined you in the land called nowhere on the shores of nothing and stare at a featurless sky till I died in ignorance and dispare, as you perhaps will.
What's obvious to me is that what you outgrew at 20 was growth itself and nothing but that, and in the light of that realization you are completely null and completely void.:smile:
Furthermore as well as displaying your own inabilitys via argument it also insults everyone who paritcipates in the discussion no matter what perspective they present. You add nothing of interest or value to the debate with childish, moronic,antics reminisant of the school yard.
If you could discount anything I or the others have contributed here you would perhaps have already done so, since you haven't I am left to assume that you are incapable of engagement on any meaningful level. And that sir is the mark of the true "machine bred"buffoon who long ago lost thier way in the real world and begs every other citizen to join them in a poverty of criticle thought and community interaction.
If I felt as you do I would have abandoned any thought of collective correction and societal growth or justice and joined you in the land called nowhere on the shores of nothing and stare at a featurless sky till I died in ignorance and dispare, as you perhaps will.
What's obvious to me is that what you outgrew at 20 was growth itself and nothing but that, and in the light of that realization you are completely null and completely void.:smile:
Dark beaver, thanks for the happy face. I'd question your sincerity, but what's the point? I've never enjoyed listening to left wing or anarchist conspiracy theorists, and I confess that i still don't, but I can see a light at the end of the tunnel now. I think it was ythe happy face.
Over many years I've heard the wailing of the larcenous ne'r-do-wells, and it has come to nothing, they have come to nothing. Complaints against the imperialists, the Americans, the corporations, the Jews, the system, the immigrants etc. It all sounds like a broken record now, and I realize that it will play on after I am dead. While this is not entirely encouraging, the knowledge that the scoffers will come to nothing provides a certain succour.
Over many years I've heard the wailing of the larcenous ne'r-do-wells, and it has come to nothing, they have come to nothing. Complaints against the imperialists, the Americans, the corporations, the Jews, the system, the immigrants etc. It all sounds like a broken record now, and I realize that it will play on after I am dead. While this is not entirely encouraging, the knowledge that the scoffers will come to nothing provides a certain succour.
Thankyou Jim; While I do understand where you are coming from, partially, because I'v heard similar useless whineing myself, but the only reason we enjoy the lifestyle we do today is because of the countless individuals who have taken it upon themselves to question the status-quo, no developement is possible without that debate, and it will and must continue for as long as humans exist, it's called evolution, even the completely wrong serve that priority.
If we do not question every aspect of existence we die. While I am and have been guilty of the attack dog strategy, I try to engage those I do not agree with any way that I can because I believe in tired old adages like clouds with silver linings and goodness in virtually every man woman and child, that's where I would go if I can, I do have a very dark streak in me though, I never want to succumb to it, that would be my end for sure.
The NIST Report on the World Trade Center Collapse one year later:
Still Dead On Arrival
By Mark H. Gaffney
01/04/08 "ICH " -- - -In August 2002 the US Congress authorized the National Institute for Safety and Transportation (NIST) to investigate the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9/11. The official instruction was not limited to conducting a building performance study, as some have claimed.[1] The primary stated objective of the investigation was to determine the cause of the collapse–––no less.[2]
When NIST released its final report in September 2005, critics charged that the agency had ignored evidence of explosions in the towers. The agency responded by asserting its scientific laurels. NIST insisted that its “200 technical experts” had conducted “an extremely thorough investigation.” NIST boasted that its staff “reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations,” yet, found “no corroborating evidence for a controlled demolition.” NIST also claimed that it had considered “a number of hypotheses for the collapse of the towers.”[3]
No doubt, many Americans were persuaded by this snow-job. Sad to say, few of our countrymen (or women) bother to read official reports, especially when they run to 10,000 pages. The persistent individuals who do, however, know that there are sound reasons to question all of the above; because a close reading ohttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18999.htm
The relatives of the victims have repeatedly called for objective investigation and been repeatedly rebuffed. The above study explains the impossiblility of the official report and how it was arrived at, it's only seventeen pages, the buildings were designed to with stand impact from 707s a comparable mass with the aircraft involved. The physics are easy to understand. The holes in the official report are disscussed.
The need for candidates to raise vast sums of cash to conduct any campainge in of itself points to the problem inherant in the system, you are beholden to contributors from the first check.
Under the Geneva conventions on warfare are explecid if you engage in genocid via occupation you are guilty. Ignorance of the law is no excuse under law.
Business people are not immune to the vast power and wealth, they have tried since the eightys to change the direction and protect thier businessess and communitys, I was with them in the marches against free trade, many of them say the writing on the wall just as we did.
Racism is alive and well in our communitys as well as in the States and all over the planet, look at how fast we jump on any story about the moral and idealogical backwardness of the Muslim. Obama has seen the gold and wieghed his changes of survival based on them. So have his bachers if in fact he is snuffed as you fear that would serve power as well as his survival, imagine the round up it would allow, Martin Luther was not killed in vain you know he was killed to remind the upiddy blacks at a time when real change was happening, his murder served the powerful who hoped to see an end of his activism.
Colour or race is no barrier to intelligence nor corruption.
The 911 debate is avoided by those who know the physics for the well understood bending of humans to authority even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Authors whom I have read and respected for decades will not entertain conspiracy for fear of ridicule and loss of position
among them is Noam Chomsky who more than anyone provided me with answers to questions of power and it's exercise. But if I were givien the chance to speak to him I would remind him of his own superb dictums which he ignors to the puzzelment of multitudes of his devoted readers. The list is endless of those who should know better.
The NIST Report on the World Trade Center Collapse one year later:
Still Dead On Arrival
By Mark H. Gaffney
01/04/08 "ICH " -- - -In August 2002 the US Congress authorized the National Institute for Safety and Transportation (NIST) to investigate the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9/11. The official instruction was not limited to conducting a building performance study, as some have claimed.[1] The primary stated objective of the investigation was to determine the cause of the collapse–––no less.[2]
When NIST released its final report in September 2005, critics charged that the agency had ignored evidence of explosions in the towers. The agency responded by asserting its scientific laurels. NIST insisted that its “200 technical experts” had conducted “an extremely thorough investigation.” NIST boasted that its staff “reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations,” yet, found “no corroborating evidence for a controlled demolition.” NIST also claimed that it had considered “a number of hypotheses for the collapse of the towers.”[3]
No doubt, many Americans were persuaded by this snow-job. Sad to say, few of our countrymen (or women) bother to read official reports, especially when they run to 10,000 pages. The persistent individuals who do, however, know that there are sound reasons to question all of the above; because a close reading ohttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18999.htm
The relatives of the victims have repeatedly called for objective investigation and been repeatedly rebuffed. The above study explains the impossiblility of the official report and how it was arrived at, it's only seventeen pages, the buildings were designed to with stand impact from 707s a comparable mass with the aircraft involved. The physics are easy to understand. The holes in the official report are disscussed.
The need for candidates to raise vast sums of cash to conduct any campainge in of itself points to the problem inherant in the system, you are beholden to contributors from the first check.
Under the Geneva conventions on warfare are explecid if you engage in genocid via occupation you are guilty. Ignorance of the law is no excuse under law.
Business people are not immune to the vast power and wealth, they have tried since the eightys to change the direction and protect thier businessess and communitys, I was with them in the marches against free trade, many of them saw the writing on the wall just as we did.
Racism is alive and well in our communitys as well as in the States and all over the planet, look at how fast we jump on any story about the moral and idealogical backwardness of the Muslim. Obama has seen the gold and wieghed his changes of survival based on them. So have his bachers if in fact he is snuffed as you fear that would serve power as well as his survival, imagine the round up it would allow, Martin Luther was not killed in vain you know he was killed to remind the upiddy blacks at a time when real change was happening, his murder served the powerful who hoped to see an end of his activism.
Colour or race is no barrier to intelligence nor corruption.
The 911 debate is avoided by those who know the physics for the well understood bending of humans to authority even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Authors whom I have read and respected for decades will not entertain conspiracy for fear of ridicule and loss of position
among them is Noam Chomsky who more than anyone provided me with answers to questions of power and it's exercise. But if I were givien the chance to speak to him I would remind him of his own superb dictums which he ignors to the puzzelment of multitudes of his devoted readers. The list is endless of those who should know better.
DB:
Is it possible to take a different meaning from all of this?
The 911 debate is avoided by those who know the physics for the well understood bending of humans to authority even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Authors whom I have read and respected for decades will not entertain conspiracy for fear of ridicule and loss of position
among them is Noam Chomsky who more than anyone provided me with answers to questions of power and it's exercise. But if I were givien the chance to speak to him I would remind him of his own superb dictums which he ignors to the puzzelment of multitudes of his devoted readers. The list is endless of those who should know better.
If Noam Chomsky and others of equal repute dismiss conspiracies about 9/11, maybe that should signal to the theorists that their ideas might need to be re-examined.
Pangloss
Is it possible to take a different meaning from all of this?
The 911 debate is avoided by those who know the physics for the well understood bending of humans to authority even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Authors whom I have read and respected for decades will not entertain conspiracy for fear of ridicule and loss of position
among them is Noam Chomsky who more than anyone provided me with answers to questions of power and it's exercise. But if I were givien the chance to speak to him I would remind him of his own superb dictums which he ignors to the puzzelment of multitudes of his devoted readers. The list is endless of those who should know better.
If Noam Chomsky and others of equal repute dismiss conspiracies about 9/11, maybe that should signal to the theorists that their ideas might need to be re-examined.
Pangloss
Dark Beaver, thank goodness you are warned and aware of your darkness, that darkness that might end your quest for evolution, progress, and light.
But now Bush has bombed the World Trade Centre. Did Osama Bin Laden try to stop it? Yes, the planes, the pilots, all an elaborate charade, arranged by the CIA no doubt.
And what is next? I remember being told by a new acqaintance that the first moon landing had been faked. I've heard several people insist that the oil companies killed the 100 mpg carbereter long ago. I know that these things are not true. I just can't waste time on this nonsense. I'm not in favour of propagating these lies. No respectable news source would report this unsubstantiated fantasy, and i dopn't tune in to the tin hat news.
But now Bush has bombed the World Trade Centre. Did Osama Bin Laden try to stop it? Yes, the planes, the pilots, all an elaborate charade, arranged by the CIA no doubt.
And what is next? I remember being told by a new acqaintance that the first moon landing had been faked. I've heard several people insist that the oil companies killed the 100 mpg carbereter long ago. I know that these things are not true. I just can't waste time on this nonsense. I'm not in favour of propagating these lies. No respectable news source would report this unsubstantiated fantasy, and i dopn't tune in to the tin hat news.
