Awesome is an adjective ain't it? Like awesome legs, or awesome personality , or awesome gullability.:lol:
Meanwhile, down in the US
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The laziness of the masses and the expectations they have, without doing much of anything, and the complaining they do, without getting off their butts, is the reason
most of the problems exist.
When you sit back and let all of that corruption happen, (when you actually do have some
power to do something), you deserve what you get, cause the dirt rises to the top, and
you end up with what has happened.
I will never bow down to the idea that 'nothing' can ever be done about, it is easy to write in to a forum and explain what the situation is, and that the banks, and lobbyists, etc
etc have control of everything, SO, then what is the answer, accept that fact, and complain and explain to everyone forever and a day, and never ever expect any improvement?
All those people who are now the big CEOs of companys, and banks, were born just like us, put their pants on one leg at a time same as us, but became very 'interested' and
'ambitious', not like most of us, and that is where the separation begins. It is a
free enterprise system, and most of us are willing to 'just' let that happen, most of us
would never run for any office, (too lazy), just not interested in taking part in the
operation of our country. I know many people who would be a great asset in our
government, but they are not interested. Just like a friend of mine used to say all
the time, 'don't complain', cause someone might ask you to help. All of those powerful
companies are run by 'people', not another species, who once were young and wondering what they would do with their lives, well, they decided they liked 'money' much more
than anything.
PAY ATTENTION EVERYONE, do something positive.
I see a couple of people running for the leadership in the U.S., whom I believe want
to 'really' make a difference, give them a chance.
The corporations and the lobbyists own the government 'now', but they don't have to
have that priviledge forever. Change it for the better. The masses have that power,
and they are the only ones who do.
You believe a couple of people running for the leadership want to make a difference, well I know they don't. You should not assume that because we write in a place like this we are not active in our communitys, putting our time where our mouths are. You take that chance you want to give them with your time and effort, they'll love you for it, but that's all you'll get from the exercise, if that. You think it's a free enterprise system well it isn't. You think the wealthy were born like us, well they weren't. I have heard your line all my life, how many times do you have to be disappointed before you get the message or read the writeing on the wall.
Yes the masses have the power and the wealthy know that far better than you do. Read Education is Ignorance it's a thread I left here this evening see if you still believe what you do.
We do not live in a functioning democracy and neither do the Americans if we did our grandfathers would have changed things long ago when they were faced with exactly the same problems and exactly the same familys. The lazy indolent masses is a tune I'm well familiar with, I know where it comes from, you offer no solution when you whistle that tired old song, you'll condemn the youth of this nation to the same endless wage slavery of thier ancestors with your advice.
Everyone, hold your breath for a minute and read the following facts of the present state of world affairs:
IF the world were a global village of 100 people, one third of them would be rich or of moderate income, two thirds would be poor.
Of the 100 residents, 47 would be unable to read, and only 1 would have a college education. About 35 would be suffering from hunger and malnutrition, at least half would be homeless or living in substandard housing. Of the 100 people, 6 of them would be Americans. These 6 would have over a third of the village's entire income, and the other 94 would subsist on the other two thirds. How could the wealthy 6 live in peace with their neighbors? Surely they could be driven to arm themselves against the other 94.... perhaps even to spend, as Americans do, about twice as much per person on military defense as the total
income of two thirds of the villager.
Quote:
In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census Bureau was determined to be $48,201.00.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States)
Average Canadian income per household in 2005: $64,800
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/famil21a.htm
IF the world were a global village of 100 people, one third of them would be rich or of moderate income, two thirds would be poor.
Of the 100 residents, 47 would be unable to read, and only 1 would have a college education. About 35 would be suffering from hunger and malnutrition, at least half would be homeless or living in substandard housing. Of the 100 people, 6 of them would be Americans. These 6 would have over a third of the village's entire income, and the other 94 would subsist on the other two thirds. How could the wealthy 6 live in peace with their neighbors? Surely they could be driven to arm themselves against the other 94.... perhaps even to spend, as Americans do, about twice as much per person on military defense as the total
income of two thirds of the villager.
Quote:
In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census Bureau was determined to be $48,201.00.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States)
Average Canadian income per household in 2005: $64,800
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/famil21a.htm
I have it on good authority that it's all just a conspiracy theory.
There's really nothing to worry about and anyone who spends any time thinking about it is a member of the tinfoil hat crowd.
Unless of course it's the evils of communism....then every paranoia is perfectly acceptable...or its them evil yellow folk....then its business as usual and ladle the responsibility for everything on them....you see how it goes right..?
We'll all just quietly accept the situation as it is and ignorance is bliss.... Worked fine for everyone before right? Just ignore all those nasty bad folk who decided it was OK to do whatever they wanted to anyone they decided..... Take it from Colpy it's all perfectly OK and we can all simply ignore everything that's going on around us. Just imagine how much further ahead we'd all be if we just let everything slide.... No world wars, no hunger, no pollution, no disease, nothing but music and festivities....Gosh if I'd only known it was just that simple.....
There's really nothing to worry about and anyone who spends any time thinking about it is a member of the tinfoil hat crowd.
Unless of course it's the evils of communism....then every paranoia is perfectly acceptable...or its them evil yellow folk....then its business as usual and ladle the responsibility for everything on them....you see how it goes right..?
We'll all just quietly accept the situation as it is and ignorance is bliss.... Worked fine for everyone before right? Just ignore all those nasty bad folk who decided it was OK to do whatever they wanted to anyone they decided..... Take it from Colpy it's all perfectly OK and we can all simply ignore everything that's going on around us. Just imagine how much further ahead we'd all be if we just let everything slide.... No world wars, no hunger, no pollution, no disease, nothing but music and festivities....Gosh if I'd only known it was just that simple.....
Maybe everything thats going on around you is simply ignoring you?
I think that is the main reason of all the hate and discontent the America haters seem to have.
And aren't most of you already implementing the "let everything slide" doctrine?
And, your message is one without a solution or hope or anything positive, you just keep
repeating that everything is over, hopeless, we have no chance, on and on.
All who succeed in those areas weren't born rich, and your story is tired and old, i've read the same tired and hopeless information from you many many times, I couldn't go through life with such hatred and hopelessness.
When the youth of this country read and re read your message, they will give up, what would be the point of living, period.
Lets hear your solutions, what might they be.
Frogs being boiled.
Simplistic platitudes are the currency of the realm today.
Some people were able to foresee $100.00 barrel oil; some were actively participating in bringing the situation to fruition. Some people were aware that predatory lending policies by banks and financial institutions would lead to the “sub-prime mortgage collapse”; some people profited enormously while many lost their homes and their savings. Some people observed the turpitude of governments that involved nations in trillion dollar hoaxes under the guise of a “war on terrorism”; some people realized windfall profits and banked enormous sums through war profiteering.
Some people whined about the hiccups of governments along the way, with claims that a “gun registry” cost way too much and did nothing to address what’s perceived as a “social problem” with criminal use of firearms. Many wrung their hands as hundreds of millions of dollars were stolen by the Liberal government; by insider confidence swindles and simply lost through poor leadership and corrupt politicians. Politicians have demonstrated time and time again that they’re prepared to invoke everything from the hysteria of terrorism to an “urgent necessity” to funnel billions to defense-industry pals on the basis of fabricated evidence and outright lies.
But none of this is news…really. It’s been what’s happening in nations around the world for decades. Sure, shooting wars with thousands maimed for life and corpses returned home for ceremonial burial are cyclic phenomena and that’s just the “nature of the beast”. Poverty starvation and social turmoil are simply all a part of the human condition and it’s entirely appropriate that millions suffer unending agony and die while others enjoy 3000 square foot homes heated to tropical temperatures that sit empty while the owners bask in the sun on tropical shores.
It’s entirely reasonable to accept these and a plethora of similar circumstances situations and conditions as “normal”, after all, it’s someone else that’s getting the dirty end of the stick and life’s always been like this….
Nice black walls built in Washington DC with the names of thousands of young men and women sent off to die in a war that achieved absolutely nothing. Food banks and relief-flights to native communities right in this country never mind the Sudan or Indonesia, it’s all perfectly normal and simply the way life is…..
We’ve seen all this before…there’s no need to be alarmist about it, it will pass and everything will be fine…..
We’ll continue merrily along our way until someone flies a plane into a tall building somewhere and we won’t know about anything before it happens and will only be challenged to respond with justifiable outrage and beat the drums of war when it does….
Like every human civilization that’s gone before, we’ll send our children and our grand children off to die in some hellhole to “preserve our freedom”.
It’s the way it’s always been and the only way it can ever be….
We can accept that this is the way of mankind and wail and whine and wring our hands but we’ll never ever talk about the indicators or observations that could have been made before we’ll repeat the cycle one more time….
Like every other time, we’ll wait until our “leaders” tell us it’s time to worry. Or we’ll wait until the next disaster befalls the innocent and make loud calls for something to be done….
Frogs being boiled….while their own apathy and complacency compels them to ignore deny and defer…..
I was wrong, you people aren’t sheep at all.
Simplistic platitudes are the currency of the realm today.
Some people were able to foresee $100.00 barrel oil; some were actively participating in bringing the situation to fruition. Some people were aware that predatory lending policies by banks and financial institutions would lead to the “sub-prime mortgage collapse”; some people profited enormously while many lost their homes and their savings. Some people observed the turpitude of governments that involved nations in trillion dollar hoaxes under the guise of a “war on terrorism”; some people realized windfall profits and banked enormous sums through war profiteering.
Some people whined about the hiccups of governments along the way, with claims that a “gun registry” cost way too much and did nothing to address what’s perceived as a “social problem” with criminal use of firearms. Many wrung their hands as hundreds of millions of dollars were stolen by the Liberal government; by insider confidence swindles and simply lost through poor leadership and corrupt politicians. Politicians have demonstrated time and time again that they’re prepared to invoke everything from the hysteria of terrorism to an “urgent necessity” to funnel billions to defense-industry pals on the basis of fabricated evidence and outright lies.
But none of this is news…really. It’s been what’s happening in nations around the world for decades. Sure, shooting wars with thousands maimed for life and corpses returned home for ceremonial burial are cyclic phenomena and that’s just the “nature of the beast”. Poverty starvation and social turmoil are simply all a part of the human condition and it’s entirely appropriate that millions suffer unending agony and die while others enjoy 3000 square foot homes heated to tropical temperatures that sit empty while the owners bask in the sun on tropical shores.
It’s entirely reasonable to accept these and a plethora of similar circumstances situations and conditions as “normal”, after all, it’s someone else that’s getting the dirty end of the stick and life’s always been like this….
Nice black walls built in Washington DC with the names of thousands of young men and women sent off to die in a war that achieved absolutely nothing. Food banks and relief-flights to native communities right in this country never mind the Sudan or Indonesia, it’s all perfectly normal and simply the way life is…..
We’ve seen all this before…there’s no need to be alarmist about it, it will pass and everything will be fine…..
We’ll continue merrily along our way until someone flies a plane into a tall building somewhere and we won’t know about anything before it happens and will only be challenged to respond with justifiable outrage and beat the drums of war when it does….
Like every human civilization that’s gone before, we’ll send our children and our grand children off to die in some hellhole to “preserve our freedom”.
It’s the way it’s always been and the only way it can ever be….
We can accept that this is the way of mankind and wail and whine and wring our hands but we’ll never ever talk about the indicators or observations that could have been made before we’ll repeat the cycle one more time….
Like every other time, we’ll wait until our “leaders” tell us it’s time to worry. Or we’ll wait until the next disaster befalls the innocent and make loud calls for something to be done….
Frogs being boiled….while their own apathy and complacency compels them to ignore deny and defer…..
I was wrong, you people aren’t sheep at all.
I have never said that everything is hopeless, nor have I said that everything is pointless, I have specified many times the positive directions humanity can and should take to correct the unjust wealth distribution and undemocratic rule by despotic wealthy cliqus at the top.It's your lack of novel ideas and imagination that condemns youth to be mired in the exact illusory system of thier grandfathers, not me. I say don't vote, that is exercising the right to vote, I say question politicians, I say hold thier feet to the fire, I say do not blindly accept what the authority of office tells you, and I have done nothing but that constantly but not near completely. What seems to be the problem is that you are too conservative to change and would advocate clinging to the status-quo no matter the cost. So, far from my message being one of hopeless dispare and blind hatred It's actually a plea for renewed enlightenment and engagement in the political structure of nation and community. If we are to follow your advice we remain firmly imprisoned in the monied grip of unbridaled greed of perpetual war.
I'm sorry if you read hopelessness in my posts, such is far from the truth,and is perhaps a truer reflection of your thinking rather than mine.
My hate is reserved for the evil of capitalism and exceptionalism that resides at the top of global society, and I see nothing but positive correctness in that.
respectfully DB
They are not the only ones here, they are not even the majority here. Dragging the ideas and bias out into the sun is not futile, sure it's not going to move a mountain but it don't cost much either. This place is for examination and education and a little communion of personalitys. It would be a world beyond boreing if it wern't for differences, wouldn't it?:lol:
Hey Dark....
These folk don't care what you think or what I think, they've been succesfully castrated and rendered impotent. It's a set-up my friend. Anything that could be offered as a solution would be "impractical" or "un-achievable". Anything that actually demanded that they do anything would be a fruitless expectation. Let them listen to the wisdom from America that tells them they have the power to change anything..... It will bring them more comfort and solace when they're burying their children than anything you or I could say. They'll continue to deny the possibility of change and will place responsibility for doing anything about anything on everyone and anyone else. What do you get when you cross a frog and a sheep? People like those who find soft comfortable sand piles to bury their heads....
Fqk em.
These folk don't care what you think or what I think, they've been succesfully castrated and rendered impotent. It's a set-up my friend. Anything that could be offered as a solution would be "impractical" or "un-achievable". Anything that actually demanded that they do anything would be a fruitless expectation. Let them listen to the wisdom from America that tells them they have the power to change anything..... It will bring them more comfort and solace when they're burying their children than anything you or I could say. They'll continue to deny the possibility of change and will place responsibility for doing anything about anything on everyone and anyone else. What do you get when you cross a frog and a sheep? People like those who find soft comfortable sand piles to bury their heads....
Fqk em.
I agree Mickydb, but just before the pot comes to a complete boil maybe some of the frogs will have something other than steam blow through thier heads. I know the frustration you point to very well, up close and personel and expensive. Believe me, if I had only 2 trillion dollars I would adopt a slightly different approach.But my collection box for the revolution remains strangly empty.
I care what you think. Otherwise I wouldn't be here reading. Got plenty other things I could be reading. I think it's wonderful that you are "thinking" even if I may not be in total agreement sometimes. Thinking seems to be scarcer than oil these days.
We know why they believe what they believe though, and it's decidedly not a belief based in reality and we all share in that ignorance, everyone of us. You like symphonic music Walter, rather than the popular crap we're blanketed with 24/7 imagine what music would be like if education had been free and complete, imagine what the human race would be like if enlightenment had not been suppressed these last two centurys.We would already be far into space, disease would be rare, hunger and want would be unthinkable, the planet would be free and clean it would be far nearer to utopia instead of a near to oblivion.
Darlbeaver
Listen to the message Beve!
"People invest in what they believe"....they believed that you can strip a planet of resources and it wouldn't have any effect....
"People have the power to change government"....millions of people around the planet disagreed with and protested the invaision of Iraq.....
They either elected a corrupt administration or stood by while their electoral process was stolen out from underneath them and did nothing.....
They "elected" a Democratic congress that hasn't been able to achieve anything that they "promised".....
It's perfectly OK to hate homosexuals and stigmatize Anglicans for demonstrating an availability to alternate considerations....
These aren't living human beings with any desire to survive or leave a habitable planet to their children's children, they're fascinated with minutae and grounded in fantasy and denial.
These are people willing to spend trillions on war but unprepared to entertain the idea that those same trillions could be spent on infrastructure, building peace and working toward feeding millions who have nothing. These clowns "believe" they can play the game and win!
A willing self-delusion that can only be impacted when they're made to suffer and although no one likes the idea, that's exactly what 9/11 was all about! We've set up oppressive regimes and support nations and governments that use torture and de-humanization as "normal" routines of government and social order and the beautiful part is that now these very same folk who wailed about Jospeh Stalin and Adolph Hitler are more than enthusiastic in their re-consideration of the use of torture and warfare to achieve their aims and their goals.....
It's too bad that the Islamists and others don't have the patience to stand by while they're indefensible oppression and the human carnage of their own belief systems is fully embraced by the people who think they have a clue about what's going on right here in Canada and the United States!
Mind you we've made incredible strides with compelling the chief executive of the United States to interfere in the lives of private citizens when that message from "god" was received by this moron and Terry Shaivo represented "moral authority", when this same man and government threw away habeus corpus and decided for everyone that protecting the charade of "rights" was legitimate reason to invade the privacy of the average citizen by wire-taps and passing laws that enabled people to be taken off airplanes and whisked away to be tortured where nice good Americans didn't have to witness it....
These people are brain dead Beve and happy in their ignorance.
Listen to the message Beve!
"People invest in what they believe"....they believed that you can strip a planet of resources and it wouldn't have any effect....
"People have the power to change government"....millions of people around the planet disagreed with and protested the invaision of Iraq.....
They either elected a corrupt administration or stood by while their electoral process was stolen out from underneath them and did nothing.....
They "elected" a Democratic congress that hasn't been able to achieve anything that they "promised".....
It's perfectly OK to hate homosexuals and stigmatize Anglicans for demonstrating an availability to alternate considerations....
These aren't living human beings with any desire to survive or leave a habitable planet to their children's children, they're fascinated with minutae and grounded in fantasy and denial.
These are people willing to spend trillions on war but unprepared to entertain the idea that those same trillions could be spent on infrastructure, building peace and working toward feeding millions who have nothing. These clowns "believe" they can play the game and win!
A willing self-delusion that can only be impacted when they're made to suffer and although no one likes the idea, that's exactly what 9/11 was all about! We've set up oppressive regimes and support nations and governments that use torture and de-humanization as "normal" routines of government and social order and the beautiful part is that now these very same folk who wailed about Jospeh Stalin and Adolph Hitler are more than enthusiastic in their re-consideration of the use of torture and warfare to achieve their aims and their goals.....
It's too bad that the Islamists and others don't have the patience to stand by while they're indefensible oppression and the human carnage of their own belief systems is fully embraced by the people who think they have a clue about what's going on right here in Canada and the United States!
Mind you we've made incredible strides with compelling the chief executive of the United States to interfere in the lives of private citizens when that message from "god" was received by this moron and Terry Shaivo represented "moral authority", when this same man and government threw away habeus corpus and decided for everyone that protecting the charade of "rights" was legitimate reason to invade the privacy of the average citizen by wire-taps and passing laws that enabled people to be taken off airplanes and whisked away to be tortured where nice good Americans didn't have to witness it....
These people are brain dead Beve and happy in their ignorance.
Agreed Micky but, the alternative is silence, and we hear it's golden, and for them it is, they ain't getting any more gold from me.