Marvels of God's creation

[Torch light]

Statues and other things of Gods aren't false idols, rather they were ways to worship the Gods people of the day looked to. That doesn't make those people wrong, just different in their worship. It also does not make those Gods false.

This is called the 'idolatry' which is the glorification and worship of idols.. so a man makes a statue of stone and people come to worship it.. is this correct in your opinion? While God Almighty and Creator is not an engraved thing: He is above being seen by the eyesight.
And God Almighty created all the creation including man: see the difference.

Quran 16: 4, which means:
(He created man from scanty [seminal] fluid, yet he becomes a manifest opponent.)

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/16.htm#a16_4

 

[Torch light]

The Creator can be Many or One

The Creator is only One in the entire universe because the universe is in harmony; if there are more than one, they will conflict and the disruption will be clearly evident. The same physical laws are applicable everywhere, and the system and order is the same.

Quran 22: 22, which means:
(If there were in both [the heavens and the earth], other gods besides God, then both would have been disordered!)

This will be "because of the opposition and contradiction of the opinions of the gods, and what each of them wants to do for his creatures; as will the people be in disorder, if they have many kings."

More explanation:

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/21.htm#a21_22

 

[Torch light]

God can be Many Gods or can be One; it is the Creator so who are we to dictate what it can and can't be?

It can't be more than one God.
We do not dictate; He dictated to us, as Prophet Joseph son of Jacob said:
Quran 12: 40, which means:
("You worship none, apart from [God], other than mere names which you and your fathers have named, concerning which God has not revealed any authority.

The decision [about the worship] is up to God [alone]. He has commanded [in the heavenly books] that you should worship none other than He [alone].

That is the religion of [Prophet Jacob] the guardian [on his sons and his people], but most of people do not know [the truth.]")

Therefore, "God did not reveal any commandment in any heavenly book to worship the idols."

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/12.htm#a12_40

 

[Torch light]

No book was ever faithfully written word for word

There are some exceptions to this: the Ten Commandments are known by heart, as is also the Quran: it is known by heart like the poem.
Moreover, the Quran was not revealed as a written book: it is the Recital of Gabriel to Prophet Mohammed.. then when it was written, it is then was called a book.

This was in the lifetime of the Prophet, as in the Quran 2: 1-2, which mean:
(1. Alif, Lam, Miema: which means:
(Recite To them, O Mohammed!)

2. That [Quran ayat revealed before this aya, and] written [down by your companions on the parchment], whereof there is no doubt, guidance to ‘those who ward off [God's punishment.]’)

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_1

Moreover, God promised to keep the Quran from human manipulation, because it is the last heavenly book to be the argument against the disbelievers among people till Doomsday, as in the Quran 41: 41-42, which mean:

(41. Surely the [Quran] is a precious book [to believers, although associaters disbelieve in it.]

42. No falsehood can approach it, neither at the present time [of its revelation] nor in the future [: a long time afterward]; [it is] revealed from a Wise [and] Praiseworthy [God.])

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/41.htm#a41_42

 

[Nick Danger]

You do realize that quoting a “holy scripture” as evidence of its own veracity is a somewhat delicate position, don’t you ?

 

[Torch light]

You do realize that quoting a “holy scripture” as evidence of its own veracity is a somewhat delicate position, don’t you ?

I quote the Quran, because the Quran defends itself by its arguments, and the Quran includes much knowledge, and the referring to the Quran dumbfounds the atheist and disbeliever.
i.e. Quoting the arguments of the Quran is better than much and much speaking and talking.

 

[Nick Danger]

Quoting the arguments of the Quran is better than much and much speaking and talking.

Much and much speaking and talking is where new ideas and learning come from. Fear of new ideas is to be stuck in the past.

 

[Serryah]

This is called the 'idolatry' which is the glorification and worship of idols.. so a man makes a statue of stone and people come to worship it.. is this correct in your opinion?

No.

A person makes a statue of a God/what they imagine a God to be like, and people come to worship that God with the statue as the symbol of that God. The statue may not need to be there, and people would still worship the God.

While God Almighty and Creator is not an engraved thing: He is above being seen by the eyesight.

IMO that's not true either. One can find God/The Gods in pretty much anything from a sunset and sunrise to the birth of new life to cells to the wideness of creation period.

And God Almighty created all the creation including man: see the difference.

No, because there is none. Should I go out into the world, look at the night sky - which I do - and say this is of God/The Gods/The Creator, that is still idolatry.

 

[Serryah]

The Creator is only One in the entire universe because the universe is in harmony;

Is it? Or is it that you wish it is? Because if the Universe is in harmony you're blind.

if there are more than one, they will conflict

Not necessarily. But...

and the disruption will be clearly evident.

Would not the disruption still be of God/The Gods? Seeing as they are supposed to be behind everything?

The same physical laws are applicable everywhere,

They're applicable here, and in places we can see... but you can't say it's everywhere because we've not seen 'everywhere' yet.

and the system and order is the same.

You can't say that, either.

This will be "because of the opposition and contradiction of the opinions of the gods, and what each of them wants to do for his creatures; as will the people be in disorder, if they have many kings."

That's your belief.

Mine is more of that the Gods that are to live in harmony do so, and those who are not meant to, do not. Chaos is as much a part of creation and the Gods Will as Order; you can't have one without the other, like Light and Darkness.

And because I cannot know, for certain, that there is One Ultimate Overseer, or if there is a Multiple, or anything else, about God/The Gods; that's why I say Gods. To give respect to any and all who might be that Being.

 

[Serryah]

It can't be more than one God.

Who says? Man?

Before The Torah, there were many Gods. Then there was the idea of Singular God/Monotheism. Both have been a plausible belief system for eons. Until man decided to add Power and Control to the religious belief of the Singular God and thus we have what we have now.

We do not dictate;

Yes, we do, because Man thinks it knows All.

He dictated to us,

The Gods inspired man to write, and man wrote; that does not make what man wrote perfect and pure. Nor does it mean that later men copied faithfully or truthfully and that's easily proven.

as Prophet Joseph son of Jacob said:
Quran 12: 40, which means:
("You worship none, apart from [God], other than mere names which you and your fathers have named, concerning which God has not revealed any authority.

The decision [about the worship] is up to God [alone]. He has commanded [in the heavenly books] that you should worship none other than He [alone].

That is the religion of [Prophet Jacob] the guardian [on his sons and his people], but most of people do not know [the truth.]")

That is taking one man's belief and demanding others follow it. That is Power added to God; not free will to worship God.

Therefore, "God did not reveal any commandment in any heavenly book to worship the idols."

According to some men.

That's not how it always was.

And again, not all people who worship 'idols' are saying the idols are the actual God.

 

[Serryah]

There are some exceptions to this: the Ten Commandments are known by heart, as is also the Quran: it is known by heart like the poem.

There is no exception to this. The Ten Commandments are make sense rules attributed to God and it could still be all boiled down to the Golden Rule, because some of those Commandments are things that should be obvious.

The Quran is not known by heart unless you read/believe in it.

Moreover, the Quran was not revealed as a written book: it is the Recital of Gabriel to Prophet Mohammed.. then when it was written, it is then was called a book.

In the end, it is still a book, written by a man. Regardless of how it came to be, it is a book man-made and used for Power and Rule over other men. It is no different than the Bible in that case, nor is it any different in how it is used/translated.

In the end, the books are used for Power and for the Powerful to hold dominion over other Men.

Moreover, God promised to keep the Quran from human manipulation, because it is the last heavenly book to be the argument against the disbelievers among people till Doomsday,

God may promise but that does not mean MAN promised. The moment words are written, they can be manipulated no matter how much promising is made. All it takes is one man who sees Power through the words and it is done.

To not admit such is to know nothing about men or humanity at all.

As to whether it's the last heavenly book; why? Why should it be the last? Because a prophet of God said so? But that is only the belief of a select few; others believe the NT of the Bible is the last holy words... or what if someone in the future comes up with more Words of God... why should not their book be the last heavenly words?

Thus the fallacy of man - thinking that they know with absolute certainty how God will interact with the world.

 

[Serryah]

I quote the Quran, because the Quran defends itself by its arguments,

You could say that of any book, not just the Quran.

and the Quran includes much knowledge,

Limited knowledge, but still, yes, knowledge.

and the referring to the Quran dumbfounds the atheist and disbeliever.

Not really. Referring to the Quran limits the person who refers to it and it alone, thus limiting their exposure to all the wonders of the world and thus of God.

i.e. Quoting the arguments of the Quran is better than much and much speaking and talking.

That is opinion and arrogance of man and not something, I would think, that the Gods would approve of.