Martin & the gas tax

[Jo Canadian]

Martin cool to idea of cutting federal gas tax

Prime Minister Paul Martin is cool to the idea of cutting federal taxes on gasoline despite surging prices at the pump.

"The federal government does not make money from increasing gas prices," he told reporters Monday in Edmonton.

The federal excise tax is fixed, and the GST revenue from gasoline fluctuates, falling with higher prices because consumption goes down, he said.

"Any calculation done of the federal government's bottom line shows there is not any undue benefit occurring in that way."

In addition, Martin said Canadians liked the federal government's plan of directing gas tax revenue to federal and provincial governments to fund infrastructure and public transit projects.

Martin is expected to sign a $150-million gas tax deal with Saskatchewan during his current western swing, which includes a three-day federal Liberal caucus meeting in Regina starting Tuesday and a two-day cabinet meeting in Winnipeg later this week.

The prime minister made the statements at a time when Alberta appears set for a provincial budget surplus in the billions because of surging oil prices, and Newfoundlanders are being hit with an overnight 10-cent per litre hike in the price of gas.

"Unreal. Just can't believe this," said one Newfoundland gas customer on Monday. The price hit $1.17 per litre.More

 

[mrmom2]

Its painfully obvious that this Elite piece of garbage Martin has got to be voted out of office the Libs are so out of touch with the common man its no longer funny :evil: Whats wrong with you people back east that you keep voting in this totally corupt party :x Its not us responsible for these clowns its you period

 

[Musicman]

Its painfully obvious that this Elite piece of garbage Martin has got to be voted out of office the Libs are so out of touch with the common man its no longer funny :evil: Whats wrong with you people back east that you keep voting in this totally corupt party :x Its not us responsible for these clowns its you period

Mom, we agree that the Libs need to be voted out of office, but I suspect we disagree on their replacement :wink:

However, there is one thing that has to be kept in mind, and that if Kyoto is fully implemented as the Libs want, we will welcome the current price of gas and heating oils/natural gas. Kyoto has the potential to double the current cost, so if you don't like the prices now, you had better be against the current Kyoto plan.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Kyoto has the potential to double the current cost, so if you don't like the prices now, you had better be against the current Kyoto plan.

Prove it.

 

[TenPenny]

It's pretty goddam funny when Newfoundlanders are complaining about the price of gas while enjoying royalties from their offshore oil WHILE AT THE SAME TIME getting equalization payments....feck it all.

 

[Musicman]

Kyoto has the potential to double the current cost, so if you don't like the prices now, you had better be against the current Kyoto plan.

Prove it.

VAnni Fucci, you and I both know we could both post many links supporting our positions, so your comment is without merit. I refuse to get into a competing link posting with you, so suffice it to say that you think not, I think so.

 

[missile]

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It's pretty goddam funny when Newfoundlanders are complaining about the price of gas while enjoying royalties from their offshore oil WHILE AT THE SAME TIME getting equalization payments....feck it all.

Likewise,the Albertans crossing the US border to save a quarter per gallon on their gas.

 

[Musicman]

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It's pretty goddam funny when Newfoundlanders are complaining about the price of gas while enjoying royalties from their offshore oil WHILE AT THE SAME TIME getting equalization payments....feck it all.

Likewise,the Albertans crossing the US border to save a quarter per gallon on their gas.

The difference all summer has been twenty cents a litre after you take into account the conversion and exchange factors. My vehicle was eighteen dollars cheaper to fill in the US than in Canada. The difference is the various taxes in Canada. Also interesting to note that the trucks hauling the gas to the US come out of Canada.

 

[missile]

It's refined right here,but local drivers pay more for their fuel than the rest of the Province..and even in Maine,the same refined gas [Irving] is much cheaper. Makes one wonder

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Kyoto has the potential to double the current cost, so if you don't like the prices now, you had better be against the current Kyoto plan.

Prove it.

VAnni Fucci, you and I both know we could both post many links supporting our positions, so your comment is without merit. I refuse to get into a competing link posting with you, so suffice it to say that you think not, I think so.

Yes, but one of us is a traitor and a liar, and I am not...

 

[PoisonPete2]

with the U.S. walking out of NAFTA, there is no reason not to have a two price system for petrol. We could ask Venezuala for help in developing it. Why do we not have laws in place to reclaim windfall profits of these multi-national oil companies? Why did Canada subsidize Paul Martin's steamship line while he was Finance Minister. Why is implimentation of the Kyoto Accord being used as a shill game to put more Public funds into Corporate coffers? The gas tax was a temporary imposition to reduce the deficit. We are heading toward another 8 Billion dollar surplus. Consumption taxes are very regressive. Where is our political leadership? Are they all as corrupt as Mulroney?

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Musicman]

Kyoto has the potential to double the current cost, so if you don't like the prices now, you had better be against the current Kyoto plan.

Prove it.

VAnni Fucci, you and I both know we could both post many links supporting our positions, so your comment is without merit. I refuse to get into a competing link posting with you, so suffice it to say that you think not, I think so.

Yes, but one of us is a traitor and a liar, and I am not...

Yes, you must be, because I certainly am not.

 

[Musicman]

It's refined right here,but local drivers pay more for their fuel than the rest of the Province..and even in Maine,the same refined gas [Irving] is much cheaper. Makes one wonder

No wonder at all. The differences are simply the federal taxes imposed by our Liberal government, and as long as they keep getting voted back in, nothing will change. If you voted Liberal, you are as much to blame for the high price as the liberals are. If you did not vote Liberal, maybe you should get your Liberal friends, if you have any, to think about it.

 

[Musicman]

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with the U.S. walking out of NAFTA, there is no reason not to have a two price system for petrol. We could ask Venezuala for help in developing it. Why do we not have laws in place to reclaim windfall profits of these multi-national oil companies? Why did Canada subsidize Paul Martin's steamship line while he was Finance Minister. Why is implimentation of the Kyoto Accord being used as a shill game to put more Public funds into Corporate coffers? The gas tax was a temporary imposition to reduce the deficit. We are heading toward another 8 Billion dollar surplus. Consumption taxes are very regressive. Where is our political leadership? Are they all as corrupt as Mulroney?

The present government is far more corrupt than Mulroney ever considered. But they keep getting voted back in, so there is no accountability. Even if you think Mulroney was worse, this group has no intention of ever changing simply due to the sheep like mentality of voters who don't like a bad haircut.

 

[no1important]

I think you know it is more than just a bad hair cut, Blue. His American values and style of politics do not go over well in Canada, except for certain areas and Alberta.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The gas tax didn't go down when the Conservatives were in power either, Blue. They were just as bad, if not worse, than the Liberals for using the tax money in general coffers instead of for maintaining infrastructure.

If we were to allow that creepy little Stephen Harper to get into power, what would he do about the gas tax? He says he would cut it, but his corporate welfare programs are too expensive to allow that to happen, so he'd need the money.

 

[Musicman]

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I think you know it is more than just a bad hair cut, Blue. His American values and style of politics do not go over well in Canada, except for certain areas and Alberta.

Again with the wrong name. :roll:

Yet you have no problems with a corrupt, overtaxing, overregulating, lying government? A government that now has the audacity to forecast billions of dollars of surpluses for the next several years? You do know, right, that the governments only source of revenue is by way of taxes, whether it be personal, corporate, fuel, etc. types? They are now telling us that they plan to overtax us for the next several years, yet this is okay?

And I respectfully suggest you go to the Conservative website to review their programs, and then come and tell me and others how they are anti-Canadian? Not the hysterical comments made by some, but take a policy and tell me and others how it is bad. Not a hypothetical thing either.

One last thing, how do you actually know what the policies of the Liberals are? They lie and flip flop so much, there really is no policy. Just like the deficit fighting gas tax. Deficits are long gone, the tax is still here. What policy is this? Oh yeah, the Martin policy of lie and manipulate. Just like why he won't reduce the gas tax, because it is going to the cities and Munis. Funny thing, though, that over five years, the cities etc. will get five billion, while the revenue will be thirty billion. What do you suppose they are going to do with that money?

 

[Musicman]

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The gas tax didn't go down when the Conservatives were in power either, Blue. They were just as bad, if not worse, than the Liberals for using the tax money in general coffers instead of for maintaining infrastructure.

If we were to allow that creepy little Stephen Harper to get into power, what would he do about the gas tax? He says he would cut it, but his corporate welfare programs are too expensive to allow that to happen, so he'd need the money.

Prove it. You have no basis for that claim, and again you exaggerate. And again with the wrong name. Bluealberta was killed off on this forum, according to some in the know. :roll:

 

[Jo Canadian]

Kyoto has the potential to double the current cost, so if you don't like the prices now, you had better be against the current Kyoto plan.

Prove it.

VAnni Fucci, you and I both know we could both post many links supporting our positions, so your comment is without merit. I refuse to get into a competing link posting with you, so suffice it to say that you think not, I think so.

Yes, but one of us is a traitor and a liar, and I am not...

Yes, you must be, because I certainly am not.

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The Riddle of the Doors


Hildegarde was taken to the dungeon and presented with two doors, each protected by a single guard. One door led to freedom and the other door to a hungry lion. Hildegarde was allowed to ask one question of one guard of her choice. The question was limited to a yes/no answer. Hildegarde knew that this was a tricky pair of guards: one would always lie and the other would always tell the truth. The guards knew behind which door lay freedom and which door led to the lions, and knew who was the liar and who was the truth sayer. But how was Hildegarde to know the difference?