Martin 'a jackass' - Parents of slain teen say.
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No, some of them are stolen, but that would be, in my estimation, a miniscule number. Many are smuggled in from the States.
It requires only a tiny number of guns to arm the criminal element, and they will always be available.
Consider this: How are these gang bangers making a living?
Dealing dope.
If you are able to import pounds of cocaine, getting guns is never going to be a problem.
I see no reason for me to be penalized for the actions of scum on Toronto streets.
tracy said:
No, some of them are stolen, but that would be, in my estimation, a miniscule number. Many are smuggled in from the States.
It requires only a tiny number of guns to arm the criminal element, and they will always be available.
Consider this: How are these gang bangers making a living?
Dealing dope.
If you are able to import pounds of cocaine, getting guns is never going to be a problem.
I see no reason for me to be penalized for the actions of scum on Toronto streets.
Martin isn't looking at this with any kind of tact. You cannot under estimate the under world, they will kill when they choose to kill, with or without the law. It is a matter of methods, dirty guns are readily available by the millions. Education, tough time on those who choose to committ murder (especially gang related), and these things would not be as big an issue. Our judicial system is a joke, revolving doors in our prisons, people are not as scared of being caught as they used to be. Just a word to the wise, 100 yrs ago, it would have been a quick drop and a short stop at the end of a rope, if you shot sombody down in cold blood.
Maybe people would think twice about pulling the trigger.
Maybe people would think twice about pulling the trigger.
Funny how none of the pro-gun people here is calling for more border security. If there's a problem with illegal guns coming in from the US, then the obvious solution is to check cars and trucks for guns as carefully as the US checks for drugs. Start seizing vehicles, start hassling every redneck trying to get across the border from the Maritimes to the west coast. Pay special attention in Ontario and Alberta.
I think it might be good to institute some profiling too. In the west, it's mostly white men in pick-up trucks that bring guns across. White men in pick-up trucks need to be searched at every crossing from Thunder Bay to the Pacific Ocean.
I think it might be good to institute some profiling too. In the west, it's mostly white men in pick-up trucks that bring guns across. White men in pick-up trucks need to be searched at every crossing from Thunder Bay to the Pacific Ocean.
Reverend Blair said:
Geez, Rev, you wouldn't be advocating racial profiling, would you?
How quickly the "principles" of the left disappear under pressure.
Racial profiling for a guy trying to get a box of bullets cheap.
None for guys wanting to blow up the western world.
II'll never understand lefty "logic".
BTW, I think you'll find a lot of guns smuggled in from the US come from your First Nations friends. Ah well, perhaps a little more racial profiling......or police presence on reserves......
RE: Martin 'a jackass' -
Actually I was just making fun of the inherently racist redneck movement, Colpy.
Actually I was just making fun of the inherently racist redneck movement, Colpy.
I honestly cannot believe he things banning handguns is going to work. This isn't england. Criminals will just bring the handguns across the border. Or even just order them over the internet. This law will do nothing but leave the general public unarmed.
Some gangster in TO shoots up a bunch of people and now some old man who collects guns in Alberta looses his precious belongings. I don' t think Martin could get any dumber.
Some gangster in TO shoots up a bunch of people and now some old man who collects guns in Alberta looses his precious belongings. I don' t think Martin could get any dumber.
I understand exactly what it means, Jay. I also understand that the Conservative Party supports racial and religious profiling. That's why I took the opportunity to make fun of them.
Except the guy in Alberta won't loose his guns. You forgot to learn the facts, CutThroat.
Re: RE: Martin 'a jackass' - Parents of slain teen say.
You need a handgun for hunting? What are you stalking? The Spotted Mountain Crip, or what?
I don't see much of a need for handguns, never did. Shotguns and rifles are used for hunting, not Sig Sauers, so I can understand the argument to keep long guns legal and available. ( Hell, I've got lots myself) Pistols are only for killing humans or target shooting, and target shooting is simply a training excercise for killing people. So, it irritates me when people argue that their gun is only for target shooting. Garbage, your gun is for shooting people who may want to kill you or your family. Have the guts to be honest, at least.
However, as much as I'm not a big fan of handguns, I don't agree with banning them. IT will do virtually nothing to stop the flow of guns into our country, and will similarly do nothing to stop gang violence. It's a useless gesture that plays well with the media.
Institute harder gun laws, get more border protection, more police presence in gang-heavy areas, and close our borders to imigrants with a violent or criminal past. Better yet, deport any immigrant who becomes involved with gang activity. THey want to bring Jamaican gang warfare into Canada, we'll send it back to Jamaica.
Grover Knight said:
You need a handgun for hunting? What are you stalking? The Spotted Mountain Crip, or what?
I don't see much of a need for handguns, never did. Shotguns and rifles are used for hunting, not Sig Sauers, so I can understand the argument to keep long guns legal and available. ( Hell, I've got lots myself) Pistols are only for killing humans or target shooting, and target shooting is simply a training excercise for killing people. So, it irritates me when people argue that their gun is only for target shooting. Garbage, your gun is for shooting people who may want to kill you or your family. Have the guts to be honest, at least.
However, as much as I'm not a big fan of handguns, I don't agree with banning them. IT will do virtually nothing to stop the flow of guns into our country, and will similarly do nothing to stop gang violence. It's a useless gesture that plays well with the media.
Institute harder gun laws, get more border protection, more police presence in gang-heavy areas, and close our borders to imigrants with a violent or criminal past. Better yet, deport any immigrant who becomes involved with gang activity. THey want to bring Jamaican gang warfare into Canada, we'll send it back to Jamaica.
Breakthrough2006 said:
Amazing how such misinformation gets around. Same old bs over and over again. I could not find any news source that people will have to turn in their guns. Its the same BS as when gun registry was started. Misinformation turned into rabid paranoia.
Paul Martin's election promise isn't expected to hit voter bull's-eyes in rural ridings.
A teaser-
"It plays well in the Jane-Finch area of Toronto," Sarnia-Lambton Liberal Roger Gallaway said, referring to the site of Martin's promise. "For the legitimate gun owner . . . it just creates anxiety. The perception is that it affects a bunch of people that aren't the problem and never will be."
Some experts say Martin's focus on banning handguns may, in fact, be pointless.
Canada's more than 500,000 registered handguns are mainly confined to police, security guards, licensed target shooters and collectors.
Sales to the public have been tightly controlled for 60 years. [/end teaser]
Why can't they ban hand guns and use money from the gun registry to to fund programs and strengthen our borders to keep the guns from comming here in the first place. We need anti gang programs and the schools should become more involved because the teachers and staff in schools know who the gang members are so get tougher legislation and programs to help. A carrot and stick approach. There is no easy solution but you have to start somewhere.
Whew, I completely agree on that one.
BS spreading is absolutely correct.
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Martin said on Thursday that his government, if re-elected in the Jan. 23 vote, would immediately introduce the handgun ban, offering narrowly defined exemptions for target shooters and allowing collectors time to sell or dispose of their weapons.
Collectors will have to sell or surrender their weapons over five years
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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2005/12/08/elxn-martin-guns.html
Next excuse please.
Actually, I should have seen this all coming.
I got notice a couple of months ago that I would no longer be allowed to transport my FN FAL rifle to the range for target practise.
This is, of course, a rifle.
But now, to legitimately own it, as I can't own it for target practice and it is a prohibited (grandfathered) weapon, I will be considered a collector, I would assume.
How much you wanna bet they are going to seize that as well?
Absolute robbery.
Remember boys, register nothing more, as
REGISTRATION INEVITABLY LEADS TO CONFISCATION
I got notice a couple of months ago that I would no longer be allowed to transport my FN FAL rifle to the range for target practise.
This is, of course, a rifle.
But now, to legitimately own it, as I can't own it for target practice and it is a prohibited (grandfathered) weapon, I will be considered a collector, I would assume.
How much you wanna bet they are going to seize that as well?
Absolute robbery.
Remember boys, register nothing more, as
REGISTRATION INEVITABLY LEADS TO CONFISCATION
Breakthrough1952 said:
Except tht provinces can opt out, so Alberta will; and the collectors in provinces that don't opt out can say they are target shooters and be allowed to keep their guns.
Like I said, learn the facts. All you had to do in this case is watch the news or read a paper, but apparently that's far too complicated for you. Facts, BT. Use facts. Don't sit there and lie, don't ignore the facts, don't make shit up, and quit fear-mongering.
Your gun isn't included, Colpy. If it were, and you would have bothered to learn the facts, you would that you have been paid for it if you were required to turn it in.
What the f*ck is with you guys? Is there some anti-comprehension clause required to join the Conservative Party?
So the whole hoopla of banning guns was just a publicity stunt by Martin and the Liberals.
WOW!!!!
This....
"I could not find any news source that people will have to turn in their guns. Its the same BS as when gun registry was started."
was answered by this
"Collectors will have to sell or surrender their weapons over five years"
and you're calling others liars.
Too funny. Personal attacks yet again.
Nope, it was an election ploy. A publicity stunt would be something like Paul Martin being shot at while he was making the announcement.
You said that Albertans would have to hand in their guns. Not true. You keep skipping the fact that collectors can say they are target shooters. Not true. You and your buddy talk about seizures without ever mentioning that the government will be paying for the guns.
All of those facts were in the news, BT. CBC, CTV and Global. It made the papers too. You are spreading mistruth. What did you expect to be called.
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