Marine Massacre was Unprovoked

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: Marine Massacre was Unprovoked

I had hesitated to post on this subject until I was sure of my ground.

It begins to appear that, yes, this did happen.

An absolute tragedy. The Americans must find whomever is responsible, have them tried in Iraq by American military tribunal, and (if found guilty) hand down the harshest sentence possible, to be carried out in Iraq.

It is essential that justice not only be done, but be seen to be done.

These men not only murdered the innocent, and chidren, they did irrepairible harm to the foreign policy of their nation, they brought dishonour on their fellow soldiers, and they have effectively recruited for the insurgents. They richly deserve execution.

Unfortunately, this sort of thing happens, but it must be punished in the most public, and the harshest way possible.

If one wonders how this could happen, I reccommend the book Rumor of War, by Philip Caputo, a Marine tried for murder during the Vietnam War. It is very, very good. I have seen it quoted in psychology textbooks, and Caputo, although found not guilty, admits he was anything but.

This is not an isolated incident, many who have studied the empire and it's history know that this example of American murder is not the exception but rather very often a well understood and documented policy of terror, the only reason we're hearing anything about this crime now is a very slow leak to the main stream media. This is American forigne policy Colpy, most of the dead in Iraq since 91 have been civilian and most of those civilians have been women and children and many of them were murdered in cold blood just like these victims in Haditha.
Read about Falluja, civilians were targeted by American snipers, hospitals were bombed ambulances were attacked, phosperous was used naphalm was used, terrorism is the stock in trade of the American nation and people, they have lived by it and on it for decades. You say these few brought dishonour on thier fellow soldiers well none of those soldiers have any honourable position in the first place, this is an ileagle war for resources and regional power they are not involved in an honourable cause they are all engaged in a huge crime, they are all criminals, everyone of them.
They are all collectively guilty of this crime.

 

[Jersay]

I just heard that there are 3 to 4 other investigations of this nature, that is being investigated that is possible of the size of this. The Marine General wouldn't respond if these were the same as Hadith and said only 3 to 4 more investigations on other incidents is being conducted.

So how many innocent people have been murdered by U.S marines??

 

[fuzzylogix]

In World War II they had specialists who learned the silhouettes of the airplanes overhead so they knew if they were enemy or friend. They then would tell the antiaircraft gunners which planes to shoot at.

As the American army appears to have some difficulty in distinguishing outlines of different people, I propose that the American Army train similar specialists for people silhouettes. They can spend many hours learning the silhouettes of say- children, children sleeping in bed, women in burkas, pregnant women in burkas, innocent civilian men driving their pregnant civilian women to hospital, Canadian soldiers, etc versus the silhouettes of the gun toting Taliban. Then these specialists will let their associated army blasters know which silhouette they can blast away at. I know it will take several months- maybe even years of hard study for the specialists to learn to tell the difference, but I think this might be helpful.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Marine Massacre was U

I think those would be good soldiers fuzzy but they wouldn't be very terrifying and you couldn't get them to kill innocent people in thier homes and beds. Modern total war demands results in todays fast paced dynamicly changing death and destruction markets.Corporate think tanks and task forces have concluded that the motivational value of shock and awe neighbourhood massacres yeilds real value for the capital outlay. Todays modern occupation forces need to respond to the changing multiple needs of capital investment . Now that process may on the surface seem bloody and destructive but underlying that facade of ruin there is a strong current of freemocracy flowing through the land lapping at the feet of the previously heathen Iraqi's.
If we just stay the course and stiffen our resolve we can see this glorious and holy enterprise through to the finnish, a huge smokeing hole in the middle east.I don't think it's correct to say the incident at Haditha was unprovoked, it did happen therefore it was provoked. It was provoked by hate and fear, same as always same as everywhere.

 

[EagleSmack]

So what should they get Johnny boy.

Oh you killed 24 innocent people. Let's dock you some pay and maybe strip you of a rank.

Yeah that is justice.

If i was the judge I would issue the death penalty if I could. Anyone in uniform that would kill an innocent civilian in cold blood. I would give them the death penalty everytime no matter what uniform.

Well the marine who killed 4 canadian by accident in afganisthan couple years ago, and on top of it, he was on amphitamine-speed, only get 5000$ us penalty.

It was the Air Force... see how quick you are to label.

 

[Jersay]

Doesn't matter.

 

[EagleSmack]

This incident is just the latest example of what happens when you arm the ignorant,the stupid and the poorly trained & send them to war.

You must have them confused with your own military.

 

[EagleSmack]

I see we have already convicted these Marines before all of the evidence is in. Convicted before a trial.

So I guess it doesn't matter if they are guilty or not... let's punish them now.

The Left at its best.

 

[#juan]

So what should they get Johnny boy.

Oh you killed 24 innocent people. Let's dock you some pay and maybe strip you of a rank.

Yeah that is justice.

If i was the judge I would issue the death penalty if I could. Anyone in uniform that would kill an innocent civilian in cold blood. I would give them the death penalty everytime no matter what uniform.

Well the marine who killed 4 canadian by accident in afganisthan couple years ago, and on top of it, he was on amphitamine-speed, only get 5000$ us penalty.

It was the Air Force... see how quick you are to label.

Actually, he was National Guard....and he is no longer a fighter pilot.

 

[Jersay]

Re: RE: Marine Massacre was Unprovoked

I see we have already convicted these Marines before all of the evidence is in. Convicted before a trial.

So I guess it doesn't matter if they are guilty or not... let's punish them now.

The Left at its best.

Ignorance and stupidity of the right to try to sugarcoat atrocities and try to blame it on the civies for the actions of murderous American soldiers.

 

[EagleSmack]

So what should they get Johnny boy.

Oh you killed 24 innocent people. Let's dock you some pay and maybe strip you of a rank.

Yeah that is justice.

If i was the judge I would issue the death penalty if I could. Anyone in uniform that would kill an innocent civilian in cold blood. I would give them the death penalty everytime no matter what uniform.

Well the marine who killed 4 canadian by accident in afganisthan couple years ago, and on top of it, he was on amphitamine-speed, only get 5000$ us penalty.

It was the Air Force... see how quick you are to label.

Actually, he was National Guard....and he is no longer a fighter pilot.

Edited after research...

F-16 pilots from the Illinois Air National Guard who fall under the 8th US Air Force.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: RE: Marine Massacre was Unprovoked

I see we have already convicted these Marines before all of the evidence is in. Convicted before a trial.

So I guess it doesn't matter if they are guilty or not... let's punish them now.

The Left at its best.

Ignorance and stupidity of the right to try to sugarcoat atrocities and try to blame it on the civies for the actions of murderous American soldiers.

Wow that was an unabashed attempt to twist what was said. I am not surprised as it is a common tactic of the Left.

Read my post again.

They have not been tried, all of the evidence is not in but you in the left want these Marines found guilty, or have more or less made up your mind that they are guilty before they have there day in court.

If they are found guilty they will be punished. If not they will walk. But it does not matter to some folk as justice is only fair when the leftist and liberals get their way.

 

[thomaska]

Eagle you cant talk to these people at all. While their are undoubtedly bad things that happen in war, the ultra- leftists are going to group us(I'm in the Marines) all in with the bad seeds. Absolutists like Jersay aren't typical of the left but it is hard not to lump them all into the same bucket. Myself, I think that if those jarheads killed those people in cold blood, they should be put under a jail somewhere..if for no other reason than they gave the ultra left loonies ammunition to spew their tripe out into the rest of decent society. But then again it is easy to spew when there is someone else out there with the rifles standing their posts while they the armchair generals/geo-politicians sit in front of a monitor surronded by hostess ding-dong wrappers and diet coke cans...Lefties! Let go of the mouse Comrades, get out there and do something, make the world a better place, I'd love to see what the world would be like with you guys in charge..heaven forbid..

 

[Jersay]

Eagle you cant talk to these people at all. While their are undoubtedly bad things that happen in war, the ultra- leftists are going to group us(I'm in the Marines) all in with the bad seeds. Absolutists like Jersay aren't typical of the left but it is hard not to lump them all into the same bucket. Myself, I think that if those jarheads killed those people in cold blood, they should be put under a jail somewhere..if for no other reason than they gave the ultra left loonies ammunition to spew their tripe out into the rest of decent society. But then again it is easy to spew when there is someone else out there with the rifles standing their posts while they the armchair generals/geo-politicians sit in front of a monitor surronded by hostess ding-dong wrappers and diet coke cans...Lefties! Let go of the mouse Comrades, get out there and do something, make the world a better place, I'd love to see what the world would be like with you guys in charge..heaven forbid..

Oh classic. Well you should have gotten the job done when you were fighting lefties all over the world in the cold war. Since 1991, there is more and more lefty countries.

See you out there in the battlefield comrade. :lol: :wink:

 

[damngrumpy]

We have heard people say, America is restoring democracy and providing a new role model for the Middle East, and we are there to bring law and order and depose a brutal dictator.
A role model? The western allies are worse than what they had before. As a role model we are saying its alright to murder non combatents. Bush and the other leaders are proving to be every bit as bad as what was there before. At least Saddam was able to keep the groups from killing each other everyday.
Nope it only proves the Americans have learned nothing they are the same baby killers they were back in the days of Vietnam.

 

[Jersay]

Agreed. A whole bunch of civilians killed in Korea. Just came to light days ago it was government ordered. Whole bunch of civilians murdered in cold blood in Viet Nam. A whole bunch of civilians killed in Iraq in an Illegal war none the less. I think I see a picture.

 

[fuzzylogix]

For all those military types on this forum, I wonder why they aren't standing up and raging against these atrocities. If I was a "good, conscientious" soldier, I would be outraged at the heinous acts being attributed to me. I would be standing up and screaming that these war criminals should be prosecuted to the enth of the law and that the rest of us soldiers were not going to take our colleagues behaving in this racist vicious blind animalistic manner. I would be so angry at the bad apples for making me unable to do the kind hearted peace making work that I was supposed to be doing....

So I guess there are several scenarios as a soldier:
1. You really dont believe that any atrocities are occurring
2. You really dont think that the atrocities occurring are atrocities, they are just collateral damage
3. You really dont think that when your side commits atrocities that it is fair for them to be called atrocities
4. You really do think they are atrocities but you are certainly not going to risk being a whistleblower because whistleblowers are leftist wimps.
5. You know that everything being done is an atrocity.

 

[aeon]

DurkaDurka wrote:
The US air force gives the pilots these pills to stay alert. It's not like he was self medicating him self.

DurkaDurka

Do you have a link about this please?

aeon

Those side effects can occur with many medications. With the risk of medication at high altitude, I would like to see some proof that it is an official procedure.

A friend of mine work for GRIP in montreal,he has been with them for 8 years now, they are a non-profit organisation who goes to rave-party to educate young people about what drugs do to their head, and Erowid.org is the best objectives reference that people can get on internet, according to them.


Imagine , those airforce pilot use the same drugs as those kids use in rave-party, sorry, but this is scary.

 

[Jersay]

Oh fuzzy I am against these massacres. Don't know about the others, but I am outraged.

 

[fuzzylogix]

Yes, I know Jersay.. Unfortunately I dont think your voice is heard amidst the silence of all the other soldiers......