Majority of Canadians support return of death penalty

gore0bsessed

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How would you propose we do that?

We already live in a society of excessive control.

You can not eliminate all deviance.

Capitalism breeds crime, so yeah it'll be difficult until a proper economic system can be implemented.
 

WLDB

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I'm for the death penalty for people who talk in the cinema, litterbugs, yappy-dog owners, and girls who post "duckface" selfies on social media.


Then this movie is for you, if you havent already seen it.


WHO CARES??

It is irrelevant.

Useful to know as if you can figure it out it may be possible to stop others before they get to actually killing people.
 
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tay

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There's a lot you can't understand.


You're daft. Capital punishment prevents the guilty from committing another crime; that's a good justification.






Yes but only the truly guilty.


We are seeing so many cases of people wrongfully convicted by over zealous prosecuters' , cops or Politicians, who for whatever reason refuse to admit they may have the wrong person......










New Doubts Raised Over Key Witness in Willingham Case




More than a decade after Cameron Todd Willingham was executed for the arson murder of his three young daughters, new evidence has emerged that indicates that a key prosecution witness testified in return for a secret promise to have his own criminal sentence reduced.


In a previously undisclosed letter that the witness, Johnny E. Webb, wrote from prison in 1996, he urged the lead prosecutor in Willingham's case to make good on what Webb described as an earlier promise to downgrade his conviction. Webb also hinted that he might make his complaint public.


Within days, the prosecutor, John H. Jackson, sought out the Navarro County judge who had handled Willingham's case and came away with a court order that altered the record of Webb's robbery conviction to make him immediately eligible for parole. Webb would later recant his testimony that Willingham confessed to setting his house on fire with the toddlers inside.


Jackson's handling of the case is now under investigation by the State Bar of Texas, following a formal complaint of prosecutorial misconduct last summer. That grievance asked that Jackson be sanctioned or even prosecuted for falsifying official records, withholding evidence and obstructing justice.


On Monday, an attorney for Jackson said he expected the Texas bar to notify his client soon that it will pursue formal charges of misconduct.




Webb later said that while they both were being held in the Navarro County jail, Willingham spontaneously confessed to him that he had set the fire to cover up his wife's abuse of one of the girls. Autopsies of the girls showed no signs of abuse — but it was the strongest evidence the prosecution had other than the finding of arson by fire investigators. That finding has been discredited by a series of forensic experts.

"I lied on the man because I was being forced by John Jackson to do so," Webb said. "I succumbed to pressure when I shouldn't have. In the end, I was told, 'You're either going to get a life sentence or you're going to testify.' He coerced me to do it."


New Doubts Raised Over Key Witness in Willingham Case | The Texas Tribune
 

damngrumpy

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In frustration even I wish we had it back, however if a national vote were held
I would vote against capital punishment becoming law. There are too many
mistakes and even one would be too many. Giving people the legal right to
kill empowered by the state is a slippery slope at its worst
 

tay

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We all agree that there are the 'caught red handed' cases that society would be better off if they were eliminated from the planet but we still harken back to the Guy Paul Morain cases were a certain local newspaper basically convinced a majority of their readers to convict him strictly based on 'his looks'.


I am deeply troubled by the people who are being released back into the public based on their NCR conviction but as long as they are taking their meds, they will be harmless.


I have a childhood friend who developed a schizophrenia type condition in his late 30's. He is 6'4" and muscular.


His condition was first noted when he went missing and was found in -40 temps just in a T shirt and pants standing in a field, likely for hours. No one could get him to come inside and he was too big and strong to man handle so the Police were called.


Long story shortened, at his first meeting with a shrink he punched the guy once and broke his jaw.


Yes he's good on his meds and hasn't caused any other problems before or after his diagnosis other than the punch but some of the people being released that have committed brutal crimes should be locked away forever, such as Vince Li.........
 

Sal

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We all agree that there are the 'caught red handed' cases that society would be better off if they were eliminated from the planet but we still harken back to the Guy Paul Morain cases were a certain local newspaper basically convinced a majority of their readers to convict him strictly based on 'his looks'.


I am deeply troubled by the people who are being released back into the public based on their NCR conviction but as long as they are taking their meds, they will be harmless.


I have a childhood friend who developed a schizophrenia type condition in his late 30's. He is 6'4" and muscular.


His condition was first noted when he went missing and was found in -40 temps just in a T shirt and pants standing in a field, likely for hours. No one could get him to come inside and he was too big and strong to man handle so the Police were called.


Long story shortened, at his first meeting with a shrink he punched the guy once and broke his jaw.


Yes he's good on his meds and hasn't caused any other problems before or after his diagnosis other than the punch but some of the people being released that have committed brutal crimes should be locked away forever, such as Vince Li.........

yes it's highly disturbing that a person's ability to control their behaviour, so as not to take a life, break your face, rape or confine you relies upon the ingestion of a chemical substance which is supported by a science in its infancy is ludicrous.
 

tay

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Here's a disturbing story from Murica that apparently happens all the time...........








California Prosecutor Falsifies Transcript of Confession






Most Americans thought the laws of perjury and obstruction of justice already applied to prosecutors and are shocked to find out that they rarely suffer any consequence—not even termination—when failing to abide by them.


Americans should be shocked. Prosecutors have been given a pass for way too long, and as a result, their conduct has become increasingly egregious. The New York Observer has written about it extensively. Prosecutors are still Licensed to Lie, and it’s high time to revoke those licenses. There is now significant bi-partisan interest in criminal justice reform and a coalition is forming to work toward these much-needed reforms.


The People (of California) v. Efrain Velasco-Palacios. In this unpublished opinion from the Fifth Appellate District, the California Court of Appeal reveals that state prosecutors and California Attorney General Kamala Harris continue to be part of the problem. Kern County prosecutor Robert Murray committed “outrageous government misconduct.” Ms. Harris and her staff defended the indefensible—California State prosecutor Murray flat out falsified a transcript of a defendant’s confession.


Kern County prosecutor Robert Murray added two lines of transcript to “evidence” that the defendant confessed to an even more egregious offense than that with which he had been charged—the already hideous offense of molesting a child. With the two sentences that state’s attorney Murray perjuriously added, Murray was able to threaten charges that carried a term of life in prison.


The prosecutor’s name in this case is Robert Alan Murray. For reasons beyond comprehension, he still works for the District Attorney Lisa Green in Kern County, Cal.






Read more at California Prosecutor Falsifies Transcript of Confession | Observer
 

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Prosecutor in Texas Execution Case Concealed Evidence Now Charged






A prosecutor who handled the case of a Texas man executed for the fire deaths of his three daughters has been formally accused of misconduct over allegations that he concealed evidence during the 1992 murder trial.

The State Bar of Texas has asked a Navarro County court to discipline John H. Jackson following questions raised by the New York-based Innocence Project and Cameron Todd Willingham's relatives, which investigates potential wrongful convictions. A spokeswoman for the bar said the punishments for Jackson could range from a reprimand to revoking his law license.

Jackson was the lead prosecutor against Willingham, whose case has become a flashpoint for death penalty opponents who contend that he was wrongly executed. Jackson, who has consistently denied any wrongdoing, declined to comment Wednesday on the state bar's action. His attorney disputed the accusations.

Willingham maintained his innocence up until being executed in 2004.

"Before, during, and after the 1992 trial, (Jackson) knew of the existence of evidence that tended to negate the guilt of Willingham and failed to disclose that evidence to defense counsel," the bar's four-page complaint says.

The complaint was filed March 5 without any public announcement or fanfare. It was first reported by The Marshall Project, a nonprofit journalism group.

The case has been referred to a family court judge in Houston. Joseph E. Byrne, Jackson's attorney, said he has requested a jury trial.

"We're very confident that when a jury sees this evidence, they will find that John Jackson has not done anything wrong," Byrne said.

A key witness in the case against Willingham was inmate Johnny Webb, who testified that while in jail awaiting trial, Willingham confessed to Webb that he had killed the girls. Webb later recanted that testimony before Willingham was executed.

Jackson has acknowledged working to get Webb out of prison early for his robbery conviction, but said he did so because Webb was receiving death threats from the Aryan Brotherhood due to his testimony.

"I think that the evidence leaves no doubt there that there was a pretrial deal with this informant, Johnny Webb," Bryce Benjet, a staff with attorney with the Innocence Project, said Wednesday evening.

A house fire in 1991 killed Willingham's daughters: 2-year-old Amber and 1-year-old twins Karmon and Kameron. Fire investigators testifying against Willingham concluded the fire was set intentionally.

But several fire science experts and a state panel have since said that conclusion was wrong and unsupported by evidence. Combined with Webb's recantation, supporters of Willingham have called his execution a wrongful death and have pushed for the state to acknowledge his innocence.

In 2013, another former Texas prosecutor was disbarred after being charged over a wrongful murder conviction that sent an innocent man to prison for nearly 25 years. Ken Anderson had also been accused of misconduct by the state bar and pleaded no contest to a charge of contempt of court. He agreed to a 10-day jail sentence.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/prosecutor-texas-execution-case-accused-misconduct-29738511
 

Sal

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Disbarred? What a joke, how about charged with murder. He murdered an innocent man. Until that can happen, until a lawyer can be charged with murder for willingly withholding evidence, there is not an equal consequence and the unconscionable behaviour will continue. Any human being that could allow another to die for the thrill of the win is sociopathic and should not be a free man.
 

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disbarred? What a joke, how about charged with murder. He murdered an innocent man. Until that can happen, until a lawyer can be charged with murder for willingly withholding evidence, there is not an equal consequence and the unconscionable behaviour will continue. Any human being that could allow another to die for the thrill of the win is sociopathic and should not be a free man.
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