Macron says Africa's problems are "civilizational"

tay

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not Colonization

https://twitter.com/Politis_fr/status/884351544681955328/video/1






14 African Countries Forced by France to Pay Colonial Tax For the Benefits of Slavery and Colonization

14 African Countries Forced by France to Pay Colonial Tax For the Benefits of Slavery and Colonization | Silicon Africa
 

Danbones

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Yeah and the IMF gets the rest.
But then Macron has been a banker beatche's sex toy from way back.

So we know everything he says and does is going to be intentionally delusional
 

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I suspect a lot of the info in that article is pure BS. Just researching one country, Guinea, shows that most of the problems the country experienced after independence were due to the policies of the new government. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article.

Following France's withdrawal, Guinea quickly aligned itself with the Soviet Union and adopted socialist policies. This alliance was short-lived, however, as Guinea moved towards a Chinese model of socialism. Despite this, however, the country continued to receive aid and investment from capitalist countries such as the United States. Even the relationship with France improved; after the election of Valéry Giscard d'Estaing as French president, trade increased and the two countries exchanged diplomatic visits.
By 1960, Touré had declared the PDG the only legal party. For the next 24 years, the government and the PDG were one. Touré was reelected unopposed to four seven-year terms as president, and every five years voters were presented with a single list of PDG candidates for the National Assembly. Advocating a hybrid African Socialism domestically and Pan-Africanism abroad, Touré quickly became a polarising leader, and his government became intolerant of dissent, imprisoning hundreds and stifling the press.
At the same time the Guinean government nationalised land, removed French-appointed and traditional chiefs from power, and broke ties with the French government and French companies. Vacillating between support for the Soviet Union and (by the late 1970s) the United States, Guinea's economic situation became as unpredictable as its diplomatic line. Alleging plots and conspiracies against him at home and abroad, Touré’s regime targeted real and imagined opponents, driving thousands of political opponents into exile.


You can read the entire article here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea#Independence_and_post-colonial_rule_.281958.E2.80.932008.29
 

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"When Sékou Touré of Guinea decided in 1958 to get out of french colonial empire, and opted for the country independence, the french colonial elite in Paris got so furious, and in a historic act of fury the french administration in Guinea destroyed everything in the country which represented what they called the benefits from french colonization.

Three thousand French left the country, taking all their property and destroying anything that which could not be moved: schools, nurseries, public administration buildings were crumbled; cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged; horses, cows in the farms were killed, and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned.

The purpose of this outrageous act was to send a clear message to all other colonies that the consequences for rejecting France would be very high.

Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was “We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”
from the link in the OP

The article does not mention the history you speak of after the french, it only speaks of how the french left Guinea.
Obviously you didn't read it, but judged it, and everything else in it, on YOUR lack of effort.
tsk tsk
;)
 
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"When Sékou Touré of Guinea decided in 1958 to get out of french colonial empire, and opted for the country independence, the french colonial elite in Paris got so furious, and in a historic act of fury the french administration in Guinea destroyed everything in the country which represented what they called the benefits from french colonization.

Three thousand French left the country, taking all their property and destroying anything that which could not be moved: schools, nurseries, public administration buildings were crumbled; cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged; horses, cows in the farms were killed, and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned.

The purpose of this outrageous act was to send a clear message to all other colonies that the consequences for rejecting France would be very high.

Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was “We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”
from the link in the OP

The article does not mention the history you speak of after the french, it only speaks of how the french left Guinea.
Obviously you didn't read it, but judged it, and everything else in it, on YOUR lack of effort.
tsk tsk
;)

So without meaning to Macron the bagman and Mr Bar Sinister have actually described the African problem, continued western civilization and colonization by aid agencies/slavers.Noticed Mr Bar Sinisters pathetic addiction to Wickedpedia.
 

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More African posts. Must have been spurred by Macron.........


EU clones itself in West Africa and then tries to ransack the region

In a recent blog – If Africa is rich – why is it so poor? – I considered the question of why the resources that make Africa rich have not been deployed to the benefit of the indigenous people who reside there. We saw that poverty is rife in Africa, when it is obvious to all and sundry that these nations possess massive resource wealth. The answer to that paradox is that the framework of development aid and oversight put in place by the richer nations and mediated through the likes of the IMF and the World Bank can be seen more as a giant vacuum cleaner designed to suck resource and financial wealth out of the poorer nations either through legal or illegal means, whichever generates the largest flows. So while Africa is wealthy, its interaction with the world monetary and trade systems, leaves millions of its citizens in extreme poverty – unable to even purchase sufficient nutrition to live.

The ‘free trade agreement’ (EPA) between the EU and the West African nations is one such ‘vacuum’-like device. In fact, the West African states are still mired in post-colonial dependency not because they lack the resources available to set out their own development path, but, rather, because of the post-colonial institutions that have been set up to maintain control by the former colonialists of those resources. Not content to ruin the prosperity in the Eurozone, the EU is pressuring some of the poorest nations in the world to adopt the same sort of failed monetary and fiscal arrangements and then go further – and sign ‘free trade’ agreements with reciprocal access.


The rest of the West African states should follow Nigeria’s example and abandon these arrangements.

Twelve of 16 countries of West Africa are considered to be Least Developed Countries (LDC) or poor in common language.
The 12 LCD nations are Benin, Burkina Faso, Gambie, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Togo, while the 4 non LDC are Cape Verde, Ivory Coast, Ghana, and Nigeria.

The colonial relations were:

Benin – France
Burkina Faso – France
Gambie – Britain
Guinea – Britain
Guinea-Bissau – Portugal
Liberia – USA
Mali – France
Mauritania – France
Niger – France
Senegal – France
Sierra Leone – Britain
Togo – France
Cape Verde – Portugal
Ivory Coast – France
Ghana – Britain
Nigeria – Britain

I was reading a report from 2015 – The EPA between the EU and West Africa: Who benefits? – published under their Spotlight Report Policy Paper series by the Swedish-based Concord Europe.

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EU clones itself in West Africa and then tries to ransack the region | Bill Mitchell – billy blog
 

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But they think tearing down an anti slavery confederate general's statues is appropriate, while the real slavery just goes on around the corner undisturbed.
 

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But they think tearing down an anti slavery confederate general's statues is appropriate, while the real slavery just goes on around the corner undisturbed.

Those stupid slaves don't have a clue about thier own slavery even though they drag thier chains arround all day. Why don't they stop at booze and drugs two relativly safe forms of the disability.
 

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"When Sékou Touré of Guinea decided in 1958 to get out of french colonial empire, and opted for the country independence, the french colonial elite in Paris got so furious, and in a historic act of fury the french administration in Guinea destroyed everything in the country which represented what they called the benefits from french colonization.

Three thousand French left the country, taking all their property and destroying anything that which could not be moved: schools, nurseries, public administration buildings were crumbled; cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged; horses, cows in the farms were killed, and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned.

The purpose of this outrageous act was to send a clear message to all other colonies that the consequences for rejecting France would be very high.

Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was “We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”
from the link in the OP

The article does not mention the history you speak of after the french, it only speaks of how the french left Guinea.
Obviously you didn't read it, but judged it, and everything else in it, on YOUR lack of effort.
tsk tsk
;)

Actually I did read it. I'm just wondering why a more reliable source does not back it up. It appears that once again you have been gulled by source that wishes to place one of the colonial powers in a worse light than they deserve.

So without meaning to Macron the bagman and Mr Bar Sinister have actually described the African problem, continued western civilization and colonization by aid agencies/slavers.Noticed Mr Bar Sinisters pathetic addiction to Wickedpedia.

Find a more reliable source and I will use it. The problems of various African nations are well known, and they have been well known for decades. One is the continual exploitation of African nations by the various ex-colonial powers, but you can factor into that equal exploitation by their own leaders, the small size of many of these nations, adverse climate conditions, lack of infrastructure, and a host of other problems. Just for you I will include a link to a non-Wikipedia site. BTW you should know that when Wikipedia was compared to the Encyclopedia Britannica is compared quite favourably.
7 Top Reasons Why Africa Is Still Poor, 2017

https://www.africanexponent.com/post/billions-lost-in-profits-by-foreign-companies-tax-evasion-1953


How Accurate Is Wikipedia?



https://www.livescience.com/32950-how-accurate-is-wikipedia.html



Note also that I don't need an insult to prove my point.
 

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How many billions are Canadians required to cough up for the hundred or so African slaves in New France and the other hundred or so who came in with some of the Loyalists?
 

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Someone should tell Monsieur Macron that the EU is a big cause of poverty in Africa.