Maclean's: The American Dream has moved to Canada

Corduroy

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Yes the American Dream is a conservative ideal and that is exactly why our present liberal Prime Minister enforces the ideal of growing the middle class in every speech and interview he gives .

Do you think the American dream is a liberal ideal because a Liberal politician talks about the middle class?
 

Cannuck

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Do you think the American dream is a liberal ideal because a Liberal politician talks about the middle class?

"life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement" regardless of social class or circumstances of birth. - James Truslow Adams

Quite clearly Trudeau supports the ideals behind the American dream. Trump does not, nor do his adherents.
 

Hoof Hearted

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The American Dream may never come for millennials. They'll be paying off their houses over generations the way things are going now.
 

Curious Cdn

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'Swiss cheese border': Canadian border patrol union calls for hundreds more workers as it struggles to cope with wave of immigrants fleeing to the country on foot from Trump's America

Canada border control union suggests increased patrols | Daily Mail Online

trudies new job creation plan in operation eh?
someone should drop unTruedoH! off in north korea as an illegal refugee...
so he can get some perspective of reality


of course you did mr poopoo fingers
;)
sniffity sniffity eh?
"swiss cheese boarder" also likely describes your underoos too
heh heh

(BARF!)

Mine fields. Indirect machine gun fire. That's the spirit.
 

Jinentonix

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"life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement" regardless of social class or circumstances of birth. - James Truslow Adams

Quite clearly Trudeau supports the ideals behind the American dream. Trump does not, nor do his adherents.
Yeah, except Adams wasn't around for the full blown welfare state. What he says is absolutely correct. Anyone should be able to come here regardless of who they are, but only as long as it's a good fit for them and us. But to also continually accept migrants who will likely never contribute is just stupid. And Canada is quickly becoming the Britain of North America in that regard because Canada's free ride has better freebies than America. I called us the Britain of North America in reference to the friggin' bee-line through Europe to the English Channel made by all those so-called "refugees".
That's the last damn thing this country needs.

The Liberals also argue that immigration is good for the economy. They also said that about the first 25,000 Syrians they brought over but it'll likely take years to pan out, if we're lucky. But part of the Liberal's claim is that migrants create jobs. And no doubt some do, and some even create good paying jobs. But what I'd like to know is the percentage who came here since the start of mass immigration (so about 25 years ago) who have created actual, real jobs compared to those who haven't. I'm not talking about part-time or minimum rage crap either, I mean good paying, living wage jobs. I'd also be curious to see how many were actually employed compared to those who weren't.

This is NOT an anti-immigrant rant. It's not even an "anti-immigrant who's not from Europe" rant either. It's about having some common sense behind the numbers. And unfortunately for the pro mass-immigration crowd who have bought into the crap and can't do basic math, family class migration chisels away at the argument for mass immigration. So does having a welfare state.
Look, from an economic perspective, a 1% of total population intake every year is not a sustainable immigration model and we are now at at least 1% and the Liberals want to bump it up even higher with while adding even more refugees.

That's what happens when you have a trust fund brat running the show. A brat for whom this will cost nothing while costing the rest of us plenty. His real wealth is stashed away in an offshore tax haven so it's no skin off his sac. He and he alone has decided that we (meaning us plebes of course, not the elites) have enjoyed our "privilege" long enough and now he's giving the damn store away to everyone else.

I hope it's a real short 3 1/2 years for Truly-dumb, because it's going to be a real long 3 1/2 years for Canada.
 

Bar Sinister

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The US is still the land where if you have the moxie, the drive, the intelligence, the ability, you can push to the top in a single generation. Of course, that also means if you have none of that you get nowhere. Canada is a land where the government will act as a backstop to your failure, protecting you from too bad a fall. But of course, that comes at the cost of bureaucracy and high taxes which will greatly slow any accumulation of wealth or success in business. Immigrants to the US have a lower unemployment rate than native born Americans. In Canada, it's the reverse. And many studies have pointed out that the economic situation of newcomers to Canada has been deteriorating and continues to do so as the gap between our high technology, high communication job market and the low skill immigrants with poor communication skills grows.

It is important not to overlook hidden costs in the US that don't count as taxes. For example many Americans pay very high school fees for private schools while in Canada private schools are almost nonexistent. Also health care costs are much higher in the US due to its mostly private system. When push comes to shove taxes in both nations or spending that substitutes for taxation comes to about the same. Canada does very well compared to the US considering that the US has a considerable climate advantage.
 

mentalfloss

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Canada performs very well in many measures of well-being relative to most other countries in the Better Life Index. Canada ranks above the average in housing, subjective well-being, personal security, health status, income and wealth, social connections, environmental quality, jobs and earnings, education and skills, work-life balance, and civic engagement.

OECD Better Life Index
 

Danbones

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Mine fields. Indirect machine gun fire. That's the spirit.
LOL how would you know?
;)
those things are all stuff YOU have never seen

have a nice day in the salt mines Mr debt slave
;)
when you get home to your pine box trailor tonight
post us about all the battles you fought when you wuz in the WAR dearie
 

Cannuck

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The Liberals also argue that immigration is good for the economy.
Not just the Liberals but the Conservatives and Dippers as well. The Reform party (when it was around) also believed immigration was good for the economy. In fact, pretty much everybody that knows anything about economics knows that immigration is good. That's one of the reasons why Trumpites are such a risk to the economy. Add their love of spending, tarrifs and deficits and the country would be in horrendous shape if they ever got power here.
 

petros

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Canada performs very well in many measures of well-being relative to most other countries in the Better Life Index. Canada ranks above the average in housing, subjective well-being, personal security, health status, income and wealth, social connections, environmental quality, jobs and earnings, education and skills, work-life balance, and civic engagement.

OECD Better Life Index

Homeless shelters are a better life for refugees?
 

mentalfloss

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Justin Trudeau urged to denounce Trump's racist travel ban

The NDP is urging the federal government to condemn what it calls U.S. President Donald Trump's "racist" travel ban and to suspend a refugee agreement with the U.S.

The New Democrats have been pressuring the federal government to temporarily halt the Safe Third Country Agreement, arguing it endangers lives by forcing asylum seekers to cross into Canada outside official border points.

The party intensified those calls today in the wake of a revised executive order from the U.S. president.

When asked by NDP Leader Tom Mulcair if he believes the U.S. remains safe for refugees, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canadians expect the government to work with the U.S. administration to promote economic growth and to stand up for Canadian values.

"We are an open and welcoming country and we continue to demonstrate that we truly believe diversity is a source of strength, that it helps cohesive and resilient communities create better opportunities," he said.

Justin Trudeau urged to denounce Trump's 'racist' travel ban - Politics - CBC News
 

pgs

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It is important not to overlook hidden costs in the US that don't count as taxes. For example many Americans pay very high school fees for private schools while in Canada private schools are almost nonexistent. Also health care costs are much higher in the US due to its mostly private system. When push comes to shove taxes in both nations or spending that substitutes for taxation comes to about the same. Canada does very well compared to the US considering that the US has a considerable climate advantage.
Private schools are not , Non existent here in B.C . perhaps you should have used the word Ontario in place of Canada . Even though you know Toronto to be the center of the universe there is more of Canada , east west and north of Ontario .

Canada performs very well in many measures of well-being relative to most other countries in the Better Life Index. Canada ranks above the average in housing, subjective well-being, personal security, health status, income and wealth, social connections, environmental quality, jobs and earnings, education and skills, work-life balance, and civic engagement.

OECD Better Life Index
Good so should we throw it all away ? Or just some ?