Lower immigration levels from 200,000 to 80,0000

[snfu73]

How does it do those four things?

And...if someone is immigrating, how do you get them to immigrate to the middle of Saskatchewan say. I don't even want to live in the middle of Saskatchewan...why would someone coming from another country want to live in the middle of Saskatchewan...

 

[L Gilbert]

From CIC's numbers 262,236 in 2005.

Heres a histogram of immigration totals by year since confederation:

And a graph illustrating imigrants as a percentage of total population:

On this bottom graph, I wonder how many of those in the population are naturalized rather than native Canadians like me and my dogs . Seems to me that would have an impact on the ratio of immigrants to the existing population.

 

[L Gilbert]

Canada's immigration problem is that we aren't looking at immigration rationally.

Immigration should be a two way deal. Canada needs workers, workers want to live in Canada.


So..the workers we bring in should go to where they are needed in payment. This has traditionally been what we did. My own grandparents had to be farm hands, because farm hands were needed.


Now they are free to immediatly move into the city. This creates an over abundance of skilled trades in the city. The wages drop, immigrants end up making less money. The dirt low wages (ridiculously low, unsustainabley low) means rural businesses can't compete and begin shutting down. The lack of immigrants in Rural Canada combined with our riding set up means Immigrants are under represented in parliment (rural votes are worth more). The only place to get skilled jobs now are in the city, where wages are unsustainabley low, this means younger canadians are not nearly as interested in being educated since 4 years of school still only makes you minimum wage give or take. Our economy suffers.


Our current policy:

- Hurts Immigrants financially
- Hurts Immigrants politically
- Hurts Rural Canada
- Hurts our future workers educational attainment.

And it could all be fixed by going back to the tried and true. Rural Canada needs immigrans, Urban Canada doesn't.

And Canada needs to quit harassing those illegal immigrants who actually want to stay and work while ignoring those illegals who actually want to stay and keep the crime rates up. Geeeeeeez I really really really dislike feds.

 

[tamarin]

snfu...'sobering' in this context means "shedding more light"...graphs are meant to be concise, easily read factoid sheets but sometimes they miss the big picture.

Tonington, we're a small nation. If we don't manage our immigration effectively we risk becoming tribalized. A nation of mini-states, inward looking and self-determining. Not a smart move for a country trying to create a positive future for its people.

 

[snfu73]

snfu...'sobering' in this context means "shedding more light"...graphs are meant to be concise, easily read factoid sheets but sometimes they miss the big picture.

Tonington, we're a small nation. If we don't manage our immigration effectively we risk becoming tribalized. A nation of mini-states, inward looking and self-determining. Not a smart move for a country trying to create a positive future for its people.

Huh? Seems to be we are becoming a nation of mini states REGARDLESS of immigration. Immigration has nothing to do with it. Alberta wants to do whatever it wants, Quebec has long looked at seperation, the maritimes have been alienated....I don't see exactly how immigration is making this issue worse.

We are a small nation population wise, but we have a whole lot of room! We can fit in MANY more! I know that isn't what you mean...but I'm not exactly sure what you DO mean? Maybe you can substantiate some of your statements?

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

I II wouldn't mind seeing a survey that asks Canadians if they know what the immigration levels are.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Would you like some Poles?...we've just got a million of them and we really havent got any room....so I say, adopt a pole...or...."Darren's a Pole isnt just north or south fund"

keep em...we dont mind, they've got their own cars and they wont bother paying local taxes, so you wont notice them there!!

 

[fatbasturd]

I think Canadian immigration levels should be reduced to 80,000 per year from 200,000.

What do you think?

You voted for Harper ...didn't you.

 

[darkbeaver]

snfu...'sobering' in this context means "shedding more light"...graphs are meant to be concise, easily read factoid sheets but sometimes they miss the big picture.

Tonington, we're a small nation. If we don't manage our immigration effectively we risk becoming tribalized. A nation of mini-states, inward looking and self-determining. Not a smart move for a country trying to create a positive future for its people.

Tribalization works better than corporatization.

 

[tamarin]

DB, why would that be the issue? We should expect that one of the chief goals for the federal government remains national unity. How do you achieve that with a runaway policy of tribalism?

 

[darkbeaver]

DB, why would that be the issue? We should expect that one of the chief goals for the federal government remains national unity. How do you achieve that with a runaway policy of tribalism?

If we take the family unit (traditional extended familys) and we do, those are the fundemental tribal units.They are also economic units. The runaway is apparent only IMO. National unity is built arround necessitys of life, not arround race or culture. Muticulturalism is the way to go in the long run, it's impossible to halt anyway.Homoginization has always been counterproductive and entirely unnatural,
in cattle in sheep you name it, it's not done for long successfully. Diversification provides for long term survival. Much of the human experiance appears runaway but that isn't necessarily what's happening.
I believe the Canadian traditions which allowed us to live here and thrive are still very much alive today, this country is one of the best places on the planet to live and that is not dumb luck, that is the result of tolerance, divercity, sobriety and adaptability and tradition. Beyond those traits we have avoided to much false patriotism and flag waving, I believe that is wise. You know what too
much pride leads to. So national unity is first and formost built on providing the basics of life, food shelter education and security. Traditionally those people who have achieved those basics have unity and success.Those basics are the same no matter what cultural background or time.That's what a tribe does,it is not what a corporation does.That's simple minded I know but for a goddamn Beaver it's not to bad.:wave:

 

[L Gilbert]

Immigration in Canada is a bad joke because the CIC is a bad joke. As I pointed out elsewhere, there's probably just as many illegals in Canada as there are military personnel, and the only ones the CIC is interested in getting out of Canada are the easiest to evict; the ones that don't hide and don't want trouble. I'm not even quite sure why we even have borders except tthat he States seems to want the border and think it has some sort of bearing on things.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Me, a Harper supporter? Not so. Business, read capital, supports immigration because it is a good source of cheap labour. Capital wants cheap labour, labour does not want cheap labour.

The money we save taking in fewer immigrants could be used to educate and employ aboriginals, who come from the Cdn third world.

 

[SYNC]

There should not be a quota. We should match immigrants with jobs before they enter the country. Many new immigrants complain that they cannot find work once they land here. This is what drains resources -- ours and theirs.

 

[hermanntrude]

There should not be a quota. We should match immigrants with jobs before they enter the country. Many new immigrants complain that they cannot find work once they land here. This is what drains resources -- ours and theirs.

what about family class immigrants?

 

[Toro]

I think the main criteria for immigrants coming into the country should be how good looking they are.

 

[darkbeaver]

Jesus are you trying to get married or what, we know you're a hunk alright, and you're successful.:wave:

 

[catgials]

I agree also,we should lower
Canadian immigration levels should be reduced to 80,000 per year from 200,000.

 

[hermanntrude]

I agree also,we should lower
Canadian immigration levels should be reduced to 80,000 per year from 200,000.

why?

 

[Zzarchov]

How does it do those four things?

And...if someone is immigrating, how do you get them to immigrate to the middle of Saskatchewan say. I don't even want to live in the middle of Saskatchewan...why would someone coming from another country want to live in the middle of Saskatchewan...

Because If they don't want to live in Saskatchewan where we need them, why should we let them in?

Its a trade. If I want to collect a paycheck I have to go to work. If I don't work, I don't get paid Even if I don't WANT to work.

The current situation does those four things, I clearly explain how.