Lower immigration levels from 200,000 to 80,0000
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You talkin' to me? I'm from Edmonton! I know...my nuts and wang are freezing. That's how one knows they are in Edmonton. Email you say....why not...what the heck...not tonight, I'm getting off right away...but...tomorrow.
How are all persons from refugee camps and zones of conflict immersed in a culture of violence. The most recent refugees in London are Karin people from Myanamr/Burma who have lived for 6 years in a Thai refugee camp. How can they be faulted for the actions of the military dictatorship of the Burmese goverment? Using your reckoning I would think that eliminates Americans as immigrants to Canada. When S. Vietnam fell the refugges were made up of middle class business men who could afford to flee. Hard working types who almost immediately upon entering Canada started small businesses such as ethnic grocery and convenience stores. Totalitarian goverments are likely to eliminate the middle class and intelligensia of a country. Do we send them back to face trial and death.
...and where did the 80,000 figure come from?? Why 80,000? What brought about that figure?
We should review our acceptance procedure for sure. No sense letting in more Lebanese. Folks who want a free vacation every few years when their real home in Lebanon is overrun. I should think we'd want people to come here that actually are interested in staying. And the feds have got to get it in their pointy little heads: you're managers, not proprietors. Canadians deserve better due diligence.
I was thinking more of the Gaza strip, where the median age is 15.8 and people are immersed in constant civil war. These people fight almost daily, hate the world around them, blame everyone from the jews to the West for their plight, and believe that violence is the solution to many problems. People who live in refugee camps are often desperate, angry and desensitized to violence. They are often immersed in extremist political or religious thought. I know it doesn't fit in with the Hugs and Snuggles PC thought that is getting so popular, but they are a dangerous group to introduce to our society en masse.
In any case, i wasn't saying we shouldn't allow any immigrants from refugee camps, I was just pointing out that Dark beavers idea that we should go out of our way to import war refugees is a naive and dangerous plan.
Well look it up and listen to your what your government tells you.. Oh, sorry, the goverment doesn't tell us, let alone ask us how many foreigners are coming into the country. Screw 200,000! Our numbers are just below 300,000 since 2001 (more specifically inbetween ~230,000 - 270,000).
Canada has the highest number of immigrants per year in the world LET ALONE the highest per capita immigration rate in the world.
If anybody needs proof of why Canada doesn't need more immigrants... well, I've said this enough times, but third world immigration is directly connected to an increase in crime rate and the decrease of standard of living in any country (including Canada) where it's been measured.
Edit: A little note: Unemployment rates among immigrants in Canada hovers around 30% (It's only that low because ecominic immigrants -- the largest category of immigrants -- have no choice but to work when they come here). Compared to non-economic immigrants in Canada, unemployment rates are as high as 60%...... Do we really need these people in our country leeching off of the social service?
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It's alway struck me as weird - if not downright irresponsible - that a country as thinly populated as Canada should be welcoming (that's a government term in this context) such a large number of immigrants. The country does have a heritage, it does have traditions - despite what Trudeau zealots believe - and immigration on this scale will destabilize the country. I see the Globe continues to print articles - as it does again today - questioning the wisdom of a multicultural country that espouses diversity without also valuing equality and integration.
from what we've seen so far, ardent multiculturalism leads one of two ways. Towards France or towards Denmark. In one you have riots, civil unrest, the polarization of cultures and the physical seperation of groups; in the other you get overwhelming rejection of immigration by the native population and deportation of unwelcome immigrants. Multiculturalism has few success stories.
Hey sinu73, I got the number 200,000 because I read it in the Globe and Mail newspaper this week. I would guess most Cdns have no clue what the immigration numbers are or were. There was little public debate during the Mulroney administration to sharply increase immigration numbers. The elites of all parties agreed it was a good idea and things moved on. Most Cdns like me think immigration is good for Canada, but I think it is currently a little high. I think Asian and African immigrations is good.
In the old days, you were called racist if you opposed these immigration levels. Like the government is the Catholic church and to oppose its dogma makes you a heretic.
In the old days, you were called racist if you opposed these immigration levels. Like the government is the Catholic church and to oppose its dogma makes you a heretic.
Wow....those graphs are pretty interesting, and suggest to me that there really is no need to lower the current immigration rate.From CIC's numbers 262,236 in 2005.
Heres a histogram of immigration totals by year since confederation:
And a graph illustrating imigrants as a percentage of total population:
I'm sure many first nations folks would feel that immagration should have been cut off over 35 million people ago....
Graphs hooey. Correlation needs a larger playground. According to the Globe, Canada has the highest per capita immigration level in the world and compared to another immigration titan, the US, the current Canadian levels are three times per capita that of the US. Such a comparison is more sobering than a bunch of blurred verticals.
Well the Americans have different priorities than we do. Do you know the number of permanent immigrants last year in the states was slightly less than the total number of apprehensions made? ~1.2 million apprehended including all borders, compared to ~1.1 million persons obtaining legal permanent resident status.
Tonington, what that clearly illustrates is that the US has an alarming border problem. A sieve and not a security shield.
The Globe in a large February 8 report by Marina Jimenez also scanned the latest Stats Canada numbers. The conclusions are disturbing. According to Stats Canada "ethnic enclaves" (defined by SC as communities hosting a minimum of 30% visible minority) have skyrocketed since 1981. Census data then identified six such "ethnic silos" in our three largest cities; today there are 254. The report concluded that "we might be a multicultural society but we are not a country of multicultural neighbourhoods." It went on to state in surveys taken that the children of visible minority immigrants are the least likely to identify themselves as "Canadians."
If multiculturalism or diversity is to work in this country separation is not the way to go about it. We need to emphasize national community and integration. Or expect problems.
The Globe in a large February 8 report by Marina Jimenez also scanned the latest Stats Canada numbers. The conclusions are disturbing. According to Stats Canada "ethnic enclaves" (defined by SC as communities hosting a minimum of 30% visible minority) have skyrocketed since 1981. Census data then identified six such "ethnic silos" in our three largest cities; today there are 254. The report concluded that "we might be a multicultural society but we are not a country of multicultural neighbourhoods." It went on to state in surveys taken that the children of visible minority immigrants are the least likely to identify themselves as "Canadians."
If multiculturalism or diversity is to work in this country separation is not the way to go about it. We need to emphasize national community and integration. Or expect problems.
Tamarin, I was only saying the two countries have different issues and that might explain differences in immigration rates. Understandably if the country has a problem with illegal immigration they might be more guarded in their policies.
It's understandable that communities will spring up, it's been happening for a long time now. When exchange students come in who do they tend to hang out with? Like tend to go to like. How many of the visible majority are moving into concentrated non-visible minority areas? Perhaps there are price barriers influencing where they settle or proximity to place of worship. How would one propose integration, force them to move into areas with majorities to ensure a good mix?
I don't really see what the alternatives are.
Our country is multi-cultural, as are provinces and cities, at some level the multi-culturalism is bound to go out the door, I doubt it can be avoided. It's similar to concentrations of francophones as far as communities go.
It's understandable that communities will spring up, it's been happening for a long time now. When exchange students come in who do they tend to hang out with? Like tend to go to like. How many of the visible majority are moving into concentrated non-visible minority areas? Perhaps there are price barriers influencing where they settle or proximity to place of worship. How would one propose integration, force them to move into areas with majorities to ensure a good mix?
I don't really see what the alternatives are.
Our country is multi-cultural, as are provinces and cities, at some level the multi-culturalism is bound to go out the door, I doubt it can be avoided. It's similar to concentrations of francophones as far as communities go.
Canada's immigration problem is that we aren't looking at immigration rationally.
Immigration should be a two way deal. Canada needs workers, workers want to live in Canada.
So..the workers we bring in should go to where they are needed in payment. This has traditionally been what we did. My own grandparents had to be farm hands, because farm hands were needed.
Now they are free to immediatly move into the city. This creates an over abundance of skilled trades in the city. The wages drop, immigrants end up making less money. The dirt low wages (ridiculously low, unsustainabley low) means rural businesses can't compete and begin shutting down. The lack of immigrants in Rural Canada combined with our riding set up means Immigrants are under represented in parliment (rural votes are worth more). The only place to get skilled jobs now are in the city, where wages are unsustainabley low, this means younger canadians are not nearly as interested in being educated since 4 years of school still only makes you minimum wage give or take. Our economy suffers.
Our current policy:
- Hurts Immigrants financially
- Hurts Immigrants politically
- Hurts Rural Canada
- Hurts our future workers educational attainment.
And it could all be fixed by going back to the tried and true. Rural Canada needs immigrans, Urban Canada doesn't.
Immigration should be a two way deal. Canada needs workers, workers want to live in Canada.
So..the workers we bring in should go to where they are needed in payment. This has traditionally been what we did. My own grandparents had to be farm hands, because farm hands were needed.
Now they are free to immediatly move into the city. This creates an over abundance of skilled trades in the city. The wages drop, immigrants end up making less money. The dirt low wages (ridiculously low, unsustainabley low) means rural businesses can't compete and begin shutting down. The lack of immigrants in Rural Canada combined with our riding set up means Immigrants are under represented in parliment (rural votes are worth more). The only place to get skilled jobs now are in the city, where wages are unsustainabley low, this means younger canadians are not nearly as interested in being educated since 4 years of school still only makes you minimum wage give or take. Our economy suffers.
Our current policy:
- Hurts Immigrants financially
- Hurts Immigrants politically
- Hurts Rural Canada
- Hurts our future workers educational attainment.
And it could all be fixed by going back to the tried and true. Rural Canada needs immigrans, Urban Canada doesn't.