And it doesn't take a genius to see the comparison between royalty and their subjects and the god of the bible and humanity. The god of the bible was modeled after royalty which explains his jealousy, insecurity, demanding obedience and subjugation, his rage and violence when his autority is questioned or challenged, etc, etc. But then, the blind can't see.
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About 95%, now. I wasn't always that good at it though, you wouldn't have wanted to know me at age 20.
Introspection, perseverance, and consciously trying to make choices based on the virtues I value.
No you didn't, I wasn't talking about the Victorian Era at all, I merely listed some things I've seen described as "the faded Victorian virtues."
How would I know, that is why I suggested you ask him. Way back when I first tripped onto this place that was one of his bigger beefs 'with Christians' and the isn't always the same thing when it comes to the RCC.
There ya go, a sensible solution for almost any social event that might have a few awkward moments. There is an PM of Canada job opening up, you already got my vote.
I would agree they are rarer now than even 50 years ago, 500 years ago (which is what I see as the Victorian era) they didn't exist at all where the affluent helped the poor to any degree.
It is beyond me how you even have the intelligence to turn a computer on, let alone type and post onto an Internet forum.
The Victorian era of British history (and that of the British Empire) was the period of Queen Victoria's reign from 20 June 1837 until her death, on 22 January 1901. It was a long period of peace, prosperity, refined sensibilities and national self-confidence for Britain. Some scholars date the beginning of the period in terms of sensibilities and political concerns to the passage of the Reform Act 1832.
before the Victorian era:
The Georgian era of British history is a period which takes its name from, and is normally defined as spanning the reigns of, the first four Hanoverian kings of Great Britain who were all named 'George': George I, George II, George III and George IV. The era covers the period from 1714 to 1830, with the sub-period of the Regency defined by the Regency of George IV as Prince of Wales during the illness of his father George III. The definition of the Georgian era is often extended to include the short reign of William IV, which ended with his death in 1837. The last Hanoverian monarch of the UK was William's niece Queen Victoria, who is the namesake of the following historical era, the Victorian, which is usually defined as occurring from the start of her reign, when William died, and continuing until her death.
The term Georgian is typically used in the contexts of social history and architecture.
and we're still not back any where near 500 years.
Technically it is a BBS on the internet and the traits in her era were demands for a lot longer than 500 years. The Magna Carta was not a 'gift' from the Royals, it was their barter so the peasants didn't exterminate them.
Go back to your troll post and explain, like a good little Cather, how each of these points is not applicable. Becareful as each point also leads to a lot of OT text as that would also be news to you.
Re:1 an introduction and the identity of who the message is for. (all Gentiles and they are sorted into 7 'groups' )
Re:2 and 3 is the details of those 7 groups and the two kinds of relationship that they can have with God as defined by God and each group has good members and bad members. Those come into play on the day the 7th trump sounds as in Re:11
Re:4 and 5 and 6 is the beginning of a vision that outlines what the rest of the books covers in greater detail. It start off describing the Temple that replaced the one takenj down in 70AD. Prayers are heard by God as they rise as vapor from from the alter before the Throne and before God. The seals are prophetic visions that are detailed in later chapters. That is the same format that is used in the Book of Daniel. Da:2 is a vision and the rest of the book expands on what the vision introduces.
Re:7 is the order of the salvation of mankind. The beginning is the 144,000 and they are the first to be sealed for the group that will be alive for the 1,000 years, the 2nd group mentioned is the last of mankind to be sealed to God and that is at the Great White throne event.
Re:8 is the sealing as it is the coals from the alter verses and then 4 trumps sound that is the 'birth-pangs' and that takes 4 days.
Re:9 is Satan's wrath that consumes 3 1/2 years.
Re:10 is how the sealed will see the day of the 7th trump unfold as the book of life is opened and the names of the ones destined to be alive at the end of that first day is read aloud.
Re:11 covers the 3 1/2 years before the 7th trump sounds and on that day the earth belongs to the Kingdom of God.
Re:12 is an expansion of what Ge:3:15 says and Eve is the woman and the 12 stars are 12 names of her oldest children in the Luke family tree verses.
Re:13 applies to Re:9 and Satan's 3 1/2 year wrath against man.
Re:14 and 15 is the 7th trump day
Re:16 is how the sinners will see the days the 7th trump sounds
Re:17 and 18 is infor about Satan's leadership.
Re:19 is about the end of that leadership, it enhances Re:16 and the 7 vials.
Re:20 is the era that starts after the last sinner is in the grave and it is about the 1,000 year reign and goes to the end of the Great White Throne, an expansion of Re:7.
Re:21 and 22 are new earth verses.
My vision about the Bible and God is quite clear.
-before the fall it was paradise on earth in the Garden.
-the flood killed off the 6 fingered giants and put the fallen angels into the Pit, the time until the exodus was to allow the 5-fingered people to repopulate the area
-the exodus wars killed off the remaining giants and introduced a new set of laws that would be in place for the duration of the time it would take to complete the two bruises of Ge:3:15.
-the exile into Babylon was to preserve the holiness of the promised land after the 'chosen people' went fully corrupt from the original teachings.
-the cross was the completion of the bruise to the heel, rather than sacrifice a person God sacrificed His own child
-that same child will complete the 2nd bruise in that verse when He puts Satan into the Pit.
-the fallen angels are then sent into the fiery lake. (the translucent wall of New Jerusalem in case you have trouble figuring that out)
-all flesh that was ever conceived in this earth will be made alive forever more once the new earth starts.
The list makes Him pretty nasty all right, you would do well to have earthy parenbts that would react like this if you were to be stolen from them. Jerusalem is the first to see salvation, the ones at the GWT event are the last people to be gathered back to God. News flash, he doesn't give as **** what you think.
Zec:1:13-15:
And the LORD answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words.
So the angel that communed with me said unto me,
Cry thou,
saying,
Thus saith the LORD of hosts;
I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy.
And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease:
for I was but a little displeased,
and they helped forward the affliction.
Peasants in this case would be anybody below the Royals and in that group you had business owners as being above their workers and the workers would be one level above the 'poor'. The business owners got elevated and given certain protection in exchange of stopping any complaints about what the Royals were doing peasants under them. Since the workers were paid slave wages they had no savings so the exile of the Jewish bankers in 1290 would have been from a result of them fleecing the business owners, a right reserved for the Royals.
Today the 'workers' (consumers) are the ones clamoring for protection and the poor are left with no one to champion their plight.
(in part)
Expulsions of Jews in Europe from 1100 to 1600.
The situation only got worse for Jews as the 13th century progressed. In 1218, England became the first European nation to require Jews to wear a marking badge.[8] Taxation grew increasingly intense. Between 1219 and 1272, 49 levies were imposed on Jews for a total of 200,000 marks, a vast sum of money.[5] The first major step towards expulsion took place in 1275, with the Statute of the Jewry. The statute outlawed all lending at interest and gave Jews fifteen years to readjust.[9]
In the duchy of Gascony in 1287, King Edward I ordered the local Jews expelled.[10] All their property was seized by the crown and all outstanding debts payable to Jews were transferred to the King’s name.[11] By the time he returned to England in 1289 King Edward I was deeply in debt.[12] The next summer he summoned his knights to impose a steep tax. To make the tax more palatable, King Edward I in exchange essentially offered to expel all Jews.[13] The heavy tax was passed, and three days later, on July 18,[14] the Edict of Expulsion was issued. One official reason for the expulsion was that Jews had declined to follow the Statute of Jewry. The edict of expulsion was widely popular and met with little resistance, and the expulsion was quickly carried out.
The Jewish population in England at the time was relatively small, perhaps 2,000 people, though estimates vary.[15] The expulsion process appears to have been relatively non-violent, although there were some accounts to the contrary. One perhaps apocryphal story told of a captain taking a ship full of Jews to the Thames, en-route to France, while the tide was low, and convincing them to go out for a walk with him. He then lost them and made it back to his ship quickly before the tide came back in, leaving them all to drown.[11]
Many Jews emigrated, besides France and the Netherlands, to countries such as Poland, which at that time protected them (see Statute of Kalisz).
Edict of Expulsion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So when you get over that (fat chance it will ever be in this lifetime) defection of yours then you can reply to the points one by one like the adult you always hoped to be.
All chapters given a easy read summation and you are stumped at square one. Just WTF do you do in that RCC hellhole you say you attend. Is that so the neighbors don't run you out on a rail.
You need some decent Church to come to you.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjadWaB_L2g
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXpRxzmawjw
Thanks for responding, DB. I appreciate your topic maintenance and candor. From personal experience, "no one can see/enter the kingdom of God unless they are born again/of water and the Spirit." (John 3:3,5 NIV) No one can experience the power of Christ apart from the Word.
That doesn't mean anybody is left out. Hebrews:12 is an expansion on the Great White Throne event wher the largest group of men make their appearance at salvation day.
Isa:54:1-5:
Sing,
O barren,
thou that didst not bear;
break forth into singing,
and cry aloud,
thou that didst not travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,
saith the LORD.
Enlarge the place of thy tent,
and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations:
spare not,
lengthen thy cords,
and strengthen thy stakes;
For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left;
and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles,
and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
Fear not;
for thou shalt not be ashamed:
neither be thou confounded;
for thou shalt not be put to shame:
for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth,
and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
For thy Maker is thine husband;
the LORD of hosts is his name;
and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel;
The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Heb:12:22-25:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth,
much more shall not we escape,
if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb:12:5-14:
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children,
My son,
despise not thou the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening,
God dealeth with you as with sons;
for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement,
whereof all are partakers,
then are ye bastards,
and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,
and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure;
but he for our profit,
that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous,
but grievous:
nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down,
and the feeble knees;
And make straight paths for your feet,
lest that which is lame be turned out of the way;
but let it rather be healed.
Follow peace with all men,
and holiness,
without which no man shall see the Lord:
Isa:54:1-5:
Sing,
O barren,
thou that didst not bear;
break forth into singing,
and cry aloud,
thou that didst not travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,
saith the LORD.
Enlarge the place of thy tent,
and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations:
spare not,
lengthen thy cords,
and strengthen thy stakes;
For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left;
and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles,
and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
Fear not;
for thou shalt not be ashamed:
neither be thou confounded;
for thou shalt not be put to shame:
for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth,
and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
For thy Maker is thine husband;
the LORD of hosts is his name;
and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel;
The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Heb:12:22-25:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth,
much more shall not we escape,
if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb:12:5-14:
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children,
My son,
despise not thou the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening,
God dealeth with you as with sons;
for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement,
whereof all are partakers,
then are ye bastards,
and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
and we gave them reverence:
shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits,
and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure;
but he for our profit,
that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous,
but grievous:
nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down,
and the feeble knees;
And make straight paths for your feet,
lest that which is lame be turned out of the way;
but let it rather be healed.
Follow peace with all men,
and holiness,
without which no man shall see the Lord:
Then for this post change the definition you have over to this one I provided and take it from there. I used something like this to even put in a dividing line, if you want to argue it is is your usual avoidance tactic.
Camelot International: Britain's Heritage and History
The King
Few kings had enough wealth to keep a standing army and depended on their barons to provide knights and soldiers. Kings had to work hard however to keep the barons under control. In many cases, especially in France and Germany, the barons grew very powerful and governed their fiefs as independent states.
The Bishops
Bishops could wield as much power as the barons. They ruled over areas called dioceses and all the priests and monasteries within them. The regular collection of tithes and other taxes from their dioceses made many bishops extremely wealthy.
The Barons
Barons were the most powerful and wealthy noblemen, who received their fiefs directly from the king. When William of Normandy conquered England in 1066, he had about 120 barons. Each provided the king with a possible army of 5,000 men.
The Lords
Lords ruled over fiefs or manors, renting out most of the land to the peasants who worked for them. They were also the warriors of medieval society. As trained knights, they were bound by oath to serve the great nobles who granted them their fiefs, and could be called to battle at any time.
The Peasants
The peasants were at the bottom of the feudal tree. They were the workers who farmed the land to provide food for everyone else. Most peasants worked for a lord who let them farm a piece of land for themselves in return for their labour.
Camelot International: Britain's Heritage and History
Few kings had enough wealth to keep a standing army and depended on their barons to provide knights and soldiers. Kings had to work hard however to keep the barons under control. In many cases, especially in France and Germany, the barons grew very powerful and governed their fiefs as independent states.
The Bishops
Bishops could wield as much power as the barons. They ruled over areas called dioceses and all the priests and monasteries within them. The regular collection of tithes and other taxes from their dioceses made many bishops extremely wealthy.
The Barons
Barons were the most powerful and wealthy noblemen, who received their fiefs directly from the king. When William of Normandy conquered England in 1066, he had about 120 barons. Each provided the king with a possible army of 5,000 men.
The Lords
Lords ruled over fiefs or manors, renting out most of the land to the peasants who worked for them. They were also the warriors of medieval society. As trained knights, they were bound by oath to serve the great nobles who granted them their fiefs, and could be called to battle at any time.
The Peasants
The peasants were at the bottom of the feudal tree. They were the workers who farmed the land to provide food for everyone else. Most peasants worked for a lord who let them farm a piece of land for themselves in return for their labour.
So sad that you need the crutch. The "word" is written by man. The "word" has been bastardized by man.
Gerr has been bastardized by men, don't listen to the little prick. The word is actually WORD and it made it's appearance in Ge:1 in the 'and God said ....' verses. Moses wrote the Torah as dictated by God. When any Prophet spoke a message from God that was 'the WORD of God'. Jesus was speaking for God and the words were given to Him as to what to say to the letter. That is what the 'WORD' means in the verse below rather than the bastardized version the RCC has invented through the false doctrine called the trinity.
Joh:1:1-2:
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh:1:1-2:
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.