What is your point? It's very difficult for me to understand what you are posting about?
Live Earth
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The objective is unattainable without every country being on board. Until they are, you question is unanswerable.
Ok you seem to really be struggling with the question here so I'll cut you a break.
The object of Live Earth was to spread awareness of the problem and raise money to support an organization that will as it's mandate, continue to raise awareness and provide simple steps for individual to help cut their contribution to green house gases.
So my question to you was, since you seem to feel that these concerts and celebrity awareness campaigns are a waste of time and effort as they themselves don't solve the problem they are raising awareness about, how would you go about raising awareness of the issues and spread information to the public?
I'm saying the public isn't going to do much good if the government of China keeps doing what its doing. It doesn't matter if the public knows about it because there is didly squat the public can do about it. So your question is mute.
They are trying to raise awareness of a non-existent problem. Gore is making millions with this scam.
Again, Politics. If it was put on by Guliani, or other republicans, all the republicans would have thought it was a great idea.
Something which raises awareness of anything, which can improve our way of life and our earth, is good thing.
Something which raises awareness of anything, which can improve our way of life and our earth, is good thing.
Doug the word is "Moot" not "Mute".
China isn't the rest of the world and has been greatly influenced by the people as an emerging industrialized nation. So saying the government is building coal plants means that there is nothing to be done about Global Warming is preposterous. But people need to know the facts and that happens through education.
A point you've made many many times though is that it's people driving SUVs that are the problem. But if as you say it doesn't matter as long as China builds coal power production, then why all the hysteria about SUVs? By the rules you set out here, you are building a strawman to beat people with when you actually feel that things like SUVs don't make a difference anyway.
Do big letters make it more true? heh heh
90% of the people in the know say it's true.
When everyone seems to be crazy, it's time to have a look into your own mental health.
For a time I was optimistic that people could change and would change. I am no longer so. People are STILL driving SUVs. They are still buying SUVs. They are using them for simple commuting. Nothing much has changed or is changing.
You view it as irrelivant but China is excempt from the Kyoto accord. It can and is increasing its greenhouse emmissions weekly.
What point does it do me to reduce my lifestyle in order to try to save the planet for other people and countries to destroy? It seems pointless to me. We will eventually burn up, drown, starve or whatever but we will do it together.
If on the other hand you can show me anything really changing, I will gladly reconsider my position. Until then, why worry?
You run pretty far off the original premise Doug, of how would you spread the word to the people of the world in some alternate method than these ones you've cast such aspersion upon.
After all, look what Martin Luther King jr. did in the way of convincing people there was a better way. Are you going to tell me that was the wrong way to go about it?
After all, look what Martin Luther King jr. did in the way of convincing people there was a better way. Are you going to tell me that was the wrong way to go about it?
I use big font so I can read it more easily. 10% of the people know it is not true.
Yeah I tend to thinks so....hell where would USA be if he hadn't stepped up to bat.....
But a 50 and 60's human rights activist like Dr. King , being compared to a world wide rock festival that seemed to stroke a bunch of gazzilionaire celeberties' ego and gave them more celeberty....I don't think so...
whats with all these lame go no where comparisons as of late ....
Concerts.... I suffered through the Diana concert.... and gave a quick pass on the Live one ... and escaped as quickly as I could...two in a row were more than I could pretend at liking....
I have been feeling guilty for a couple of days now because the motive and push behind these two events was good and I am all for people making a difference and certainly remembering a lovely woman in a posthumus birthday celebration... but I honestly tried to get upbeat and it didnt' happen.
I think the success of this kind of concert is you have to be there in person....I have stood for hours in a trance listening and watching mediocre music being done and enjoyed every minute... but somehow watching it in electronic form leaves something to be desired.
I think the energy of the crowd and the reactions which we rarely get to hear until the end of the piece...are what add to the excitement.
I was disappointed in the Diana thing too.... Elton John even sounded tired....
Boy am I getting old...
I have been feeling guilty for a couple of days now because the motive and push behind these two events was good and I am all for people making a difference and certainly remembering a lovely woman in a posthumus birthday celebration... but I honestly tried to get upbeat and it didnt' happen.
I think the success of this kind of concert is you have to be there in person....I have stood for hours in a trance listening and watching mediocre music being done and enjoyed every minute... but somehow watching it in electronic form leaves something to be desired.
I think the energy of the crowd and the reactions which we rarely get to hear until the end of the piece...are what add to the excitement.
I was disappointed in the Diana thing too.... Elton John even sounded tired....
Boy am I getting old...
A lot of people are talking about it and some do things that they never considered such as changing light bulbs they use. So it's done something if it has got people thinking about it and how they can make changes locally in their lifestyle. So yeah I guess it's doing something.
Do you think that saying nothing and just going about life the easy way is going to change anything for the better?
I do think you are right though in a sense. There are so many people like Wally here that not only don't care but are active in spreading doubt that no matter what everyone else does, there will be too much damage done to change it to something sustainable.
Perhaps the best thing to do is just let "nature take it's course" and try to find something to be happy about while we go down.
I've been practicing earth friendly habits for years - long before Gore hopped on the moneymaker and long before it became a political 'cause'.
It doesn't take much knowledge to be aware of how easy it is to be earth friendly and learn habits which in the long run make more sense than all the silliness we fall for through advertising.
I think environmentally sound is also a quiet personal message - not one which has to be pounded in with drums and guitars....
I'd rather listen to a concert for the pleasure of it alone, not because it is giving a 'message'...
Just think of the waste in the venues after the concerts were silent and the people had gone home....
It doesn't take much knowledge to be aware of how easy it is to be earth friendly and learn habits which in the long run make more sense than all the silliness we fall for through advertising.
I think environmentally sound is also a quiet personal message - not one which has to be pounded in with drums and guitars....
I'd rather listen to a concert for the pleasure of it alone, not because it is giving a 'message'...
Just think of the waste in the venues after the concerts were silent and the people had gone home....
Great, can you tell us how your power is generated and what stations make up the grid that provide that power to you so we can take a look at how the percentage of green v fossil fuel make up the earth friendly life of yours?
I'll make a bet with you. I bet you can't manage one single day without using something that has oil in it's history. Should be simple, non?
Unforgiven, I know you were asking the question, but perhaps you yourself have something in mind actually?
I'm interested in hearing how those who adamantly disagree with this method of multimedia presentation to get the word out about some issue would do it.
So far I haven't heard anything.