Limewire ordered shut down

Tony The Bot

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Limewire ordered shut down
Posted via Canadian Content

It appears it's goodbye to Limewire.

The well-known file-sharing client Limewire has been ordered shut down by a U.S. federal court today after the music industry in America filed and subsequently won a lawsuit claiming liability on a 'massive scale'.

This moves comes just over 5 months after another judge ruled in favour of another lawsuit involving 13 music corporation alleging unfair competition.

The Limewire homepage features the following notice:

Quote: Originally Posted by Limewire Homepage
This is an official notice that LimeWire is under a court-ordered injunction to stop distributing and supporting its file-sharing software. Downloading or sharing copyrighted content without authorization is illegal.
In a statement Tuesday, the RIAA said the court will conduct a trial in January to determine damages.

Limewire chief executive George Searle said they were "disappointed" with the judge's decision. No word yet on what Limewire plans are to move forward.

While the actual software known as Limewire will cease distribution, they say its not all over yet for the Lime Group and plans to start a new music service, 'Spoon', are under way.

When the hearings to set damages takes place, the company may be ordered to pay damages up to US$1 billion.


Original Article: http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/limewire-ordered-shut-down_1015.html
 

Praxius

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Not surprising and not the first to go under.

Though I have noticed over the last couple of years that P2P programs such as LimeWire have grown more and more sucky and unreliable for anything.
 

bill barilko

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Naw..... Imesh, Bearshare, WinMX, Shareaza, Ares..... they're all the same now..... they all have almost the same identical GUI's, give you the same search results and their connections suck chunks.

Torrents are the future :p
I use Shareaza and have no probs but in truth don't use it for much-some music and a total of one movie.

Have used torrents in the past and will probably again if there's something I really want now.
 

damngrumpy

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The time is coming when the record companies, writer organizations and governments will
go after copyright compensation. Once the shut down is complete I believe they will start
going after those who engaged in sharing the files, on the basis the whole operation is now
classified illegal. I for one never engaged in the practice, so i will watch with interest.
There will be a lot of paying up to do, if the Supreme Courts makes a full ruling. Its a long
way from a District Court, so it will be a while. The record companies are one thing but
ripping off the writers, producers and performers is something else.
 

bill barilko

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The time is coming when the record companies, writer organizations and governments will
go after copyright compensation. Once the shut down is complete I believe they will start
going after those who engaged in sharing the files, on the basis the whole operation is now
classified illegal. I for one never engaged in the practice, so i will watch with interest.
There will be a lot of paying up to do, if the Supreme Courts makes a full ruling. Its a long
way from a District Court, so it will be a while. The record companies are one thing but
ripping off the writers, producers and performers is something else.
FYI You're living in a Dream World and have No Idea how large the Real World is-and how it's been changed in the past 15 years-there is no going back.

The Old Way of doing things is gone forever-young music groups for instance know this-they give their music away online and rely on touring to make a buck.
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Turns out Shareaza uses bit torrent and a number of other ways to share files-I was confused as to what Bit Torrent really is and I'm not the only one here.
 

shadowshiv

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This isn't that surprising. Once Napster got targeted, and successfully sued, it was a no-brainer for them to go after any similar sites. I can't say I have too much sympathy for the record companies themselves, though.
 

Avro

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I'm not a free loader.

I buy my music either on itunes or a hard copy on disk.

Same with movies.

Never illegally stole any.
 

GreenFish66

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I'm an Indie Artist...Share all my stuff..For better or for worse...

Also quilty of downloading music/movies from various places in the past ....

If I like the Music/Movie ..I support the Band/ Talent.

More and more often ..I get charged for Downloading regardless of whether it's Good or not...Whether it's works or not...

Big Biz/Big Gov ...Chargin' for Cyberspace...No matter at what Cost/Quality ..


(So what do you call a compilation of music nowadays?...An Album..Collection...Newest Compilation ?)...
 
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Bar Sinister

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Isn't this something of a waste of time when there are tens of thousands of tunes on YouTube that can be downloaded in MP3 format and more going up every day?
 

Praxius

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The time is coming when the record companies, writer organizations and governments will
go after copyright compensation. Once the shut down is complete I believe they will start
going after those who engaged in sharing the files, on the basis the whole operation is now
classified illegal. I for one never engaged in the practice, so i will watch with interest.
There will be a lot of paying up to do, if the Supreme Courts makes a full ruling. Its a long
way from a District Court, so it will be a while. The record companies are one thing but
ripping off the writers, producers and performers is something else.

Going after those who engage in the sharing of files rather then those who provide the avenues to share in the first place makes about as much sense as going for all the drug users and ignoring all the drug producers and dealers.

The police simply do not have the man power/resources to do such a thing and that's why they only focus on the more serious offenders who share illegal files on a massive scale, such as those who own their own servers loaded with illegal content, which the police will eventually track down by seeing the same IP pop up time and time again.

But then again, as shown above, even going after the people who supply the P2P programs and torrent sites for people to share is a waste of time and money too.... considering above they freely admit they'll be putting up another program. Take one down and three more replace it......

I remember when they first took down one of the very first Torrent sites, Suprnova.org....... shortly after, Mininova.org and a couple other "Nova" torrent sites popped up..... followed by many other torrent sites.

Remember the Napster thing?

Last I heard, that program is still around and since then, hundreds of other programs similar showed up...... Limewire is one of them.

Just like when police bust a pot grower, throw him in jail and pat themselves on the back as though they accomplished something.

Several other growers will just come out of the wood works and the cycle will still continue.

For me personally, I'll admit.... I freely use Torrent sites and shared a number of my files..... but those files were live recordings of concerts which were recorded by fans and the sort and the band(s) in question have always freely allowed people to share those because they're not copyrighted and they weren't produced in a studio or on an album or DVD which their record companies could bitch about..... and they considered them as another form of advertisement for their bands/work.

On my forums those files are openly shared and discussed, but as Admin, I made it clear that there will be no illegal sharing or distribution of copyrighted albums they produced which you can still buy in stores.... anybody who does will be dealt with.

So far, no complaints and everybody is happy.
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Think of it this way..... let's say a band/record company could get total control over the online distribution of their albums and make sure nobody can obtain any of their albums or songs unless they paid...... in other words, let's go back 20 some years ago and to the way things were done then.

That band/record company could expect to gain some profit and awareness in their local regions/communities they distribute to..... and those who have the money to blow will buy those albums and listen to them, while those who are more stringent with their money won't buy their albums unless they know they like them or heard them...... which means that unless they heard them on the radio or on TV which were the only major mediums 20 some years ago.... many won't buy their music.

^ This reduces your overall fan base and limits who you can market to, not to mention your overall profits.

Now let's say you tossed a few songs or an album or two online for people all around the world to download and listen to, regardless of what country they live in, their income bracket, or whatever...... you then have a pile more people to reach out to, a pile more people being able to easily access and listen to your work and more often then not...... regardless of how many of those people around the world download your work and never pay you for anything..... chances are you'll still end up with a hell of a lot more people around the world contacting your band and your record company to purchase your albums, to book concerts (which is where the real money is) and become real, true fans...... much more then you'd get through holding total control of your work and only allowing people to listen to your work if they pay you first...... and only in your local area of the world and where your record company can afford to market your work.

When I hear an album I really like.... I buy it.... I become more interested in spending money to see them in concert.... if I don't like it, then I can save myself money and move onto someone else, rather then wasting my money on a chunk of plastic that will just sit there collecting dust.

These record companies, quite frankly, are too old fashion and too scared to get with the times..... they can try and fight all of this, but in the end, they'll accomplish nothing.
 
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DurkaDurka

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The time is coming when the record companies, writer organizations and governments will
go after copyright compensation. Once the shut down is complete I believe they will start
going after those who engaged in sharing the files, on the basis the whole operation is now
classified illegal. I for one never engaged in the practice, so i will watch with interest.
There will be a lot of paying up to do, if the Supreme Courts makes a full ruling. Its a long
way from a District Court, so it will be a while. The record companies are one thing but
ripping off the writers, producers and performers is something else.

Downloading of music in Canada right now is a gray area and there has not been a successful prosecution of anyone for it. Explained here: Maybe the Jury Didn’t Like the Songs — Slaw

"Under Canada’s Copyright Act, private copying of a musical recording for private use is expressly permitted. The trade off is the requirement for payment by consumers of a blank media levy, which levy is payable on blank CD-ROMs and other “audio recording media”. The blank media levy provisions of the Act were inserted at the behest of CRIA and others, who have since collected multi–millions of dollars in such levies."

I'm not a free loader.

I buy my music either on itunes or a hard copy on disk.

Same with movies.

Never illegally stole any.

Anytime you buy a blank CD or DVD, you are paying the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association).
 

Praxius

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Isn't this something of a waste of time when there are tens of thousands of tunes on YouTube that can be downloaded in MP3 format and more going up every day?

Well one can easily download an FLV rip program which will allow you to directly download Flash files straight out of web pages such as YouTube..... you just need to also download a free FLV codec for your video player (or download a stand alone FLV player)

If you have flash, I'm sure you can easily rip the audio out of the FLV files and save it as something else.

The thing is that there's thousands of ways to do just one thing now a days in regards to the internet and computers..... try and battle one and stop it..... sure fill your boots, but even if you win your battle and shut down one way of doing things, you still have thousands of others, minus one, to battle and by the time you take down one, you have 10 others pop up.

Anytime you buy a blank CD or DVD, you are paying the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association).

Indeed..... any blank CD's, DVD's, Mp3 players, memory cards or other media playing devices..... they all got taxed in order to send that money back to record companies for loss of business from piraters.

Which makes no sense and is a tad unjustified, because not everybody who buys blank CD's, DVD's, Mp3 players, etc. pirate music.... and thus they're being penalized when they didn't even do anything and probably paid for all their music, movies, etc. they're listening to..... or perhaps they purchase CD's/DVD's for their work, ie: Backup files, etc..... in other words their own files.....

Because of this tax, and considering not only have I paid for my products and obtained them legally, but I'm being taxed again over top of all that with other products I purchase (thus, in a way, I'm paying twice)...... this tax in a way justifies people in downloading copyrighted content.

They paid for it through this tax after all...... they're owed.

It makes about as much sense as being taxed for universal health care but you're not covered by UHC and still have to pay out of your own pocket for your medical needs.

What's the point in sending your hard earned money to a record company via a tax when you never pirated and already paid them for the music you listen to?

For those people, this tax is a bit like Double Dipping...... so for them, I'd grab a few tunes...... why give away your money to someone who doesn't want to give away their stuff?

Rather then them getting screwed by a few pirates, they're now screwing over everybody and quite honestly, I have very little sympathy for record companies who are not willing to get with the times.
 

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... I freely use Torrent sites and shared a number of my files..... but those files were live recordings of concerts which were recorded by fans and the sort and the band(s) in question have always freely allowed people to share those because they're not copyrighted and they weren't produced in a studio or on an album or DVD which their record companies could bitch about..... and they considered them as another form of advertisement for their bands/work.

As you've implied, that process is only legal if the band gives permission to record and distribute the concert; some bands do, others do not.

Interesting technical note: if you run a store or restaurant, and you play CDs for example as background music, you are supposed to track what you play and submit the proper royalties. If you have the radio on, you don't have to.
 

DurkaDurka

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Interesting technical note: if you run a store or restaurant, and you play CDs for example as background music, you are supposed to track what you play and submit the proper royalties. If you have the radio on, you don't have to.

The man has got to be paid!
 

Praxius

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As you've implied, that process is only legal if the band gives permission to record and distribute the concert; some bands do, others do not.

Indeed.... and others use Torrent and P2P programs to freely distribute their own products, programs, videos and images they created themselves.

Interesting technical note: if you run a store or restaurant, and you play CDs for example as background music, you are supposed to track what you play and submit the proper royalties. If you have the radio on, you don't have to.

True..... Music CD's and Movie DVD's/Bluerays people normally purchase in stores are for personal use, not commercial.
 

jandrenievs

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Limewire was ordered to be permanently shut down because of stealing music and assisting users to copyright infringement. I wonder if torrent will be the next. I mean, they also assist users in stealing or downloading songs, movies and others.