Life after death
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Says nothing of the veracity of its claims of its origins...just says that it's pretty to read...
"A totally objective examination of it [the Quran] in the light of modern knowledge leads us to recognize the agreement between the two, as has been already noted on repeated occasions. It makes us deem it quite unthinkable for a man of Muhammad's time to have been the author of such statements, on account of the state of knowledge in his day.
Such considerations are part of what gives the Qur'anic Revelation its unique place, and forces the impartial scientist to admit his inability to provide and explanation which calls solely upon materialistic reasoning."
[Dr. Maurice Bucaille in his book: "The Bible, The Quran and Science" 1981, p. 18]
"It is impossible that Muhammad, peace be upon him, authored the Quran. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature?
How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human-being could possibly have developed at that time, an all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?"
[Dr. Maurice Bucaille - author of "The Bible, the Quran and Science" 1978, p. 125]
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No it doesn't. All the passages I've seen that are interpreted as anticipating some modern knowledge are, without exception, far from clearly stating what people like Dr. Bucaille, and you and eanassir, claim they say. You really have to twist and stretch those passages to make those claims about them. A reference to things forming from clouds of smoke and dust, for instance, is now interpreted as anticipating the Big Bang, never mind the fact that smoke and dust didn't appear until a very long time after the Big Bang. The statements in the Quran are simply too vague, and admit of multiple possible interpretations. There's no empirical information explicitly offered in the Quran that wasn't widely known at the time it was written, and there's some empirical information offered that's clearly wrong, like the notion that the sun orbits the earth: 36:40 It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Sometimes in this thread I get the impression that some of us think life after death more important than life before death. Lets re-examine our positions in this regard and see if we haven't possibly made a small error in judgement. I'm not sure that we have but just to doublecheck I think would be prudent.
Exactly, if god is and is all he'll/she'll have made arrangements for my hereafter afterall.
Oh great DB, now we're going to have the 'believers' invoking Pascal's Wager...
Nice goin'...
You have a free, logical and bright mind, and realize the power of 'self'. It feels good
doesn't it.
It does feel good - unbelievably good as a matter of fact! I only wish it hadn't taken me half my life to get to this point. My daughter won't have this affliction though. I don't know how many generations of my family have wasted their lives on religion but I know I won't any longer and I doubt very much my daughter will either.
Religious people really don't understand how amazing it is to shed the religious yolk. I am reminded of house cats kept in an eternal state of childhood by us so they can be our pets. A mature adult cat can not be kept as a pet. They go wild and don't like to be held. Religion keeps us in eternal childhood the same way. Now that I have grown up I'm not comforted by promises of being looked after, protected and nurtured. The idea horrifies me. I want to be my own man. That is a sentiment the religious do not understand. they want to be good children pandering after reward. It is sad and it is a waste!
Yes, a complete waste.
I am a child of our earth, I can survive and be a positive influence, for me, and my family,
in a way that empowers all of us to 'look' after ourselves, with our own built in powers,
not having to be obedient to anything even slightly religious or godly. I understand that,
and I relish it, and I feel that power to survive without praying or asking or promising
anything to any god.
- So "The Messenger of Allah Mohammed describing the duration of survival us in this world's life and said, I and this world's life such as passer-by, he taken refuge to shadows of tree then left it and went"
- Ibn Omar said "The Messenger of Allah Muhammad peace be upon him said, you should worship Allah (the god) as if you see Him and you should be in the life of this world such as stranger or Passer-by". sahih Bukhari
- The life of this world aren't house of believer or his homeland but he must be either such as strange inhabitant in country wants to supply to return to his homeland "any the paradise" Or be as if he Passenger not inhabitant But makes his days and his nights going to country of residence "any the paradise", This is prophet Muhammad's bequest to Ibn Omar in this world's
life.
- "The Messenger of Allah Mohammed said, if the life of this world equals a mosquito wing, comparison with Allah's property, He will not irrigate miscreant drink of water from it"
This life is not a test...it's the only one you've got...so make the best of it...stop trying to impress someone who isn't watching you...
hmmmmmm
from you are words
you are believe in one god but you think the god do not watching you ?
I'm sorry you misunderstood me, but I think I've made it abundantly clear that I believe in no god.
No god, no devil, no ghost or goblins...no santa or tooth fairy or easter bunnies or leprechauns...
I believe in that which can be shown through experimentation and observation and logic...everything else is irrelevant and has no value...
From the video:
"To dust we all return
and rejoice when others burn"
How evil!
Why is it all you religionists get so excited about everybody being burned up?
Even when I was a religionist myself I didn't like the idea of people being hurt.
I think that was one of the things that helped me: I couldn't love something like that, I also can't love something I fear. You have to be pretty messed up to confuse love and fear - a right weirdo actually.
quote=Vanni Fucci;1005662]Oh great DB, now we're going to have the 'believers' invoking Pascal's Wager...
Nice goin'...[/quote]
Following McClennen 1994, Pascal's argument seems to be best captured as presenting the following decision matrix:
God exists God does not exist Wager for God Gain all Status quo Wager against God Misery Status quo
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/[
I like that guy Pascal. Thanks for steering me to a good read. I'd like to be able to sincerely wager for god but I fear there's not much chance of any win. Still I'm superstitious enough to consider faking it based on a faint hope that god will be to busy to notice my duplicity and I can sneak through the gates/turnstile while he's busy mowing the lawn in heaven.That's all contingent on my finding myself alive after death, which I think would be fortunate indeed, and if I don't. How would I care anyway? Does the belief in life after death impare the living or enhance it? I tend to think it impares, it's risky to lean on a mysterious second chance as if we could complete our lists of things to do at a more convienient time like when we're dead.
Afterall is said I'm still not convinced that dead is a good move for me.
Nice goin'...
[/quote]Following McClennen 1994, Pascal's argument seems to be best captured as presenting the following decision matrix:
God exists God does not exist Wager for God Gain all Status quo Wager against God Misery Status quo
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/[
I like that guy Pascal. Thanks for steering me to a good read. I'd like to be able to sincerely wager for god but I fear there's not much chance of any win. Still I'm superstitious enough to consider faking it based on a faint hope that god will be to busy to notice my duplicity and I can sneak through the gates/turnstile while he's busy mowing the lawn in heaven.That's all contingent on my finding myself alive after death, which I think would be fortunate indeed, and if I don't. How would I care anyway? Does the belief in life after death impare the living or enhance it? I tend to think it impares, it's risky to lean on a mysterious second chance as if we could complete our lists of things to do at a more convienient time like when we're dead.
Afterall is said I'm still not convinced that dead is a good move for me.
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