Libya - Low Support from Canadians: Abacus Poll

dumpthemonarchy

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So, you are saying Harper is an ass kisser of the military/industrial complex and you think that is a good thing.

Everyone knows Canada has a vast military, with bases across the country and globe and has a huge constituency behind it. We have so many famous generals, gosh. Harper knows most Canadians don't care much about the military, if they do, they largely see a job machine. See Quebec. Like Quebec, most don't see a major international role for the nation.

Like many people on this site, Harper has been largely clueless about the world. But he knows more about the Canadian military, so if he sees a mission which has adequate public support, and will beef up the military, he goes for it. Libya is no Iraq or Afghanistan and he gets the full support of big business being onside with the USA here. Libya is a pretty good little war for Harper so far.
 
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critter171

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not a war your helping people to a point that you need to stop a man who is murdering his own people.

it sickings me to see people not help other people when needed
 

mentalfloss

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not a war your helping people to a point that you need to stop a man who is murdering his own people.

it sickings me to see people not help other people when needed

Here's the civilian casualty list since July 25th, 2011:

July 25: 11 civilian deaths (NATO air-strike on Zliten.)[90]
July 30: 3 civilian deaths (NATO air-strike on Tripoli.)[91]
July 30: 25 civilian deaths (Refugees die of asphyxiation on a boat while trying to reach Italy.)[92]
July 30–August 3: 120 civilian deaths(Rebel killings of civilians - Warfalla tribe in Benghazi.)[93][94]
August 4: 3 civilian deaths (NATO air-strike on Zliten.)[95]
August 8: 85 civilian deaths (NATO air-strike on the village of Majer, near Zliten.) [96]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2011_Libyan_civil_war

Do you see Ghadafi's name anywhere on that list?

Here are some bonus numbers for you:

March 19 – July 13: 1,108 civilian deaths (NATO bombing campaign.)

The results of this war are abhorrent.
 
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damngrumpy

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Now don't you go picking on the Celts, they are fine upstanding people who like to fight,
it is part of my ancestry. As for being there, well I wonder who we are backing in this.
Is it people who want freedom or the old gang the Muslim Brotherhood using our guns
to deliver their message. In my view neither side will be nice people to deal with. having
said that, the fact is it is going well. Most thought the government would route these folks
by now and that didn't happen.
We should not put boots on the ground, but we should work to change things there in some
fashion. The problem is if it is a group like Islamic Brotherhood the change would be worse
that it is now. For that reason I say it is time to tell us who's side we are on or begin to
withdraw. There is no room for error here, Iraq is a prime example of we blew it. Saddam
was no where as bad as the Shias that might well take control of the country.
 

Nuggler

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...............It might take a few more 9/11's before the governments get it. The ordinary Joe already has.


If there's oil or gold, we go in. If not (Darfur) let'em get bombed, raped, shot, starved.............what the heck. Long as Stevo and Obama can say they have our best interests at heart.

Really disappointed with Obama. Thought he had bigger balls.
 

Ariadne

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Isn't this a war that the US dragged Canada and France into, all the while saying they wanted to play second chair? Now we know why ... they're broke, but they still want to play war games.
 

EagleSmack

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Isn't this a war that the US dragged Canada and France into, all the while saying they wanted to play second chair? Now we know why ... they're broke, but they still want to play war games.

Oh please... still trying to pass the buck? Are you feeling a little guilty to be leading a bombing campaign?. England and France wanted it and Canada took the lead.

Truth hurts doesn't it?

Enjoy!
 

mentalfloss

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Rebels Overrun Gadhafi Compound

Fierce Street Fighting in Tripoli; Leader's Whereabouts Are Unknown

Forces loyal to Col. Moammar Gadhafi battled through Tripoli's densely populated neighborhoods, attacking and defending patches of territory across the sprawling, and seemingly divided, capital.
News reports said hundreds of rebels stormed Col. Gadhafi's main military compound in Tripoli.

An Associated Press reporter saw the rebels enter the gates of the Bab al-Aziziya after hours of fierce gun battles. Col. Gadhafi's whereabouts were unknown after the insurgents breached the compound.

Military officials said the U.S. believes the rebels control most of Tripoli but that the exact percentage under their control is unclear and is changing by the hour.

The reappearance of Col. Gadhafi's son marks a major public relations debacle for the rebel leadership, who disseminated news of his arrest to Western allies. It remains unclear whether Seif el-Islam was apprehended and then escaped, or whether the rebels' facts were never confirmed. Videos of Seif el-Islam giving morale-boosting speeches to groups of armed men, apparently filmed Monday night, buzzed across Libyan-centered social media sites on Tuesday, adding to the embarrassment of the Benghazi leadership.

Rebels and forces loyal to the Libyan leader waged fierce street battles Tuesday, the AP reported, a day after opposition fighters swept into the capital with relative ease and claimed to have most of it under their control.

A NATO spokesman said what is left of Col. Gadhafi's forces has shown "no sign of giving up their aggressive actions."

"The tensions are far from being over. The situation is dynamic and complex," said Col. Roland Lavoie.

While it is unclear how many Gadhafi loyalists are left in the capital, those fighting in the streets are most likely the ideologically honed irregular forces that the leader has used to quell internal dissent and protect his regime for years. Residents say these government militias are conducting the fighting, along with members of Col. Gadhafi's elite military units that appear to be regrouping in Tripoli. The loyalists are now squaring off with hastily trained fighters from Tripoli's far-flung districts who fled the capital earlier this year and have been recruited as part of the rebel vanguard to take the capital.

The rebels started organizing the so-called Tripoli Brigades in early June, choosing men with strong family and social ties from the city and then training them in the remote Western Mountains, located some 160 kilometers (100 miles) from the capital.

When Zawiya, the coastal city 30 miles east of Tripoli, fell earlier this month, the Tripoli Brigades were deployed forward to a town closer to the capital, where they nervously awaited the orders to attack. Those orders came on Sunday, with Tripoli's Qaqaa Brigade spearheading the assault from Zawiya. Mr. Sbeaa's brigade saw action the following morning, pushing into the capital through the southern suburb of Azzizziya to establish a bridge head for the rebel forces in central Tripoli. But within 90 minutes of setting up that new headquarters, they came under attack and had to relocate. By Tuesday morning, violent battles were engulfing Tripoli, in what many predict will be a drawn out protracted and bloody struggle.

Rebels Overrun Gadhafi Compound - WSJ.com