Liberals now pulling away from Cons into majority territory

Colpy

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Maybe you should learn about how fracking works before defending this dangerous method of gas extraction.

I know how it works......

Obviously, you do not, if you believe that fracking always destroys ground water.

Answer the question, with TWO MILLION wells fracked in the USA since 1949, how is it that there is NOT major pollution of drinking water over large areas???


How did Dion, and Ignatieff poll a year before their first elections??

HMMMM????

lol

ONLY ONE POLL COUNTS.
 

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I know how it works......

Obviously, you do not, if you believe that fracking always destroys ground water.

Answer the question, with TWO MILLION wells fracked in the USA since 1949, how is it that there is NOT major pollution of drinking water over large areas???



How did Dion, and Ignatieff poll a year before their first elections??

HMMMM????

lol

ONLY ONE POLL COUNTS.


My son has been working in the oil patch for close to 30 years and he says fracking isn't good.
 

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not sure if trolling... propaganda links.

So....let me get this straight.

Anything you disagree with on fracking is "propaganda".

But anything from the anti-fracking morons, bought and paid for by Qatar, is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Uh-huh.

Once again: TWO MILLION WELLS FRACKED in 65 years.

Why is there NOT wide spread destruction in the USA???
 

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So....let me get this straight.

Anything you disagree with on fracking is "propaganda".

But anything from the anti-fracking morons, bought and paid for by Qatar, is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Uh-huh.

Once again: TWO MILLION WELLS FRACKED in 65 years.

Why is there NOT wide spread destruction in the USA???



Are you kidding?


Ever wonder where the anti-AGW money comes from?
 

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Are you kidding?


Ever wonder where the anti-AGW money comes from?

Nope.

I know where it comes from, what little of it there is.

Now we have TWO questions:

Why has there been no GW in 17 years??

Why, with TWO MILLION wells fracked in the USA, is there not widespread devastating environmental damage?

Oh, excuse me....three:

Why are idiots trying to hobble the industrialized free world with Chicken Little paranoia with little or no basis in fact??
 

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So....let me get this straight.

Anything you disagree with on fracking is "propaganda".

Anything from oil companies trying to give you "facts" on fracking will certainly be propaganda.

But anything from the anti-fracking morons, bought and paid for by Qatar, is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Uh-huh.

Once again: TWO MILLION WELLS FRACKED in 65 years.

Why is there NOT wide spread destruction in the USA???

what oil company told you that?
 

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Nope.

I know where it comes from, what little of it there is.

Now we have TWO questions:

Why has there been no GW in 17 years??

Why, with TWO MILLION wells fracked in the USA, is there not widespread devastating environmental damage?

Oh, excuse me....three:

Why are idiots trying to hobble the industrialized free world with Chicken Little paranoia with little or no basis in fact??



Did I say I was against Fracking?


Nope, I'm just not sure.


Why no warming?


First you have to tell where you got this info.
 

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Anything from oil companies trying to give you "facts" on fracking will certainly be propaganda.



what oil company told you that?

Hydraulic fracturing in the United States began in 1949.[1] According to the Department of Energy (DOE), as of 2013 at least two million oil and gas wells in the US have been hydraulically fractured

Hydraulic fracturing in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yep....what's the trend?

Geez guy, do some of your own research!! :)
 

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Geez guy, do some of your own research!! :)


Classic, don't know, tell dude to do his own research.


Haven't made my mind up about fracking....you have.


Haven't made my mind up about GMO's.....you have I bet....all good.


AGW, evidence is very strong.....unless it's a liberal plot.


A gragh.....doubt it will do any good.


 

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Classic, don't know, tell dude to do his own research.


Haven't made my mind up about fracking....you have.


Haven't made my mind up about GMO's.....you have I bet....all good.


AGW, evidence is very strong.....unless it's a liberal plot.


A gragh.....doubt it will do any good.



Oh that is WONDERFUL!!!

You expect to prove global warming with a graph showing 40 years, in which the last 18 have NO WARMING.

Really???

Here's one that might actually be significant;



Check out 900 AD ..... must have been all those fossil fuels, huh??

I could be convinced of man-made global warming.....but not by temperature graphs that are younger than I am.

BTW, I have neither the time or inclination to bow to your sense of entitlement by doing your research for you.....which brings me to another question:

How old are you??

Seriously.
 

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Classic, don't know, tell dude to do his own research.


Haven't made my mind up about fracking....you have.


Haven't made my mind up about GMO's.....you have I bet....all good.


AGW, evidence is very strong.....unless it's a liberal plot.


A gragh.....doubt it will do any good.


Hey look graphs . Must be proven science if there is a graph attached .
 

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Lol Colpy.


What’s behind the Tories’ obsession with Justin Trudeau?

On Aug. 19, Michelle Rempel, a junior minister in the Stephen Harper government who won her Calgary Centre-North riding in 2011 by 20,000 votes, posted a video of Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau on her Facebook page.

“Many of you ask me why I sought to serve as an MP. Part of this role includes standing up for Canadian values and speaking out against terrorist acts, injustice, oppression and violence wrought by terrorist groups such as ISIS and Hamas on innocents,” she wrote. “For me, I think this is why the attached video is so blind-rage-inducing for me.”

The video came from Ezra Levant’s nightly Sun News TV show. It showed the Liberal leader speaking to reporters in Edmonton as the party’s MPs gathered for an end-of-summer caucus retreat. “The biggest threat to global security,” Trudeau said in response to a reporter’s question, “is the kind of violence and misunderstandings and wars that come out of resource depletion—concerns of lack of hope for generations growing up in a world that is getting smaller and seemingly less and less fair.”

Seeing this clip, Rempel was fit to bust a gasket. “This man . . .  spews a diatribe of non sequiturs and platitudes,” she told her Facebook followers. “I ask you to imagine this man at the helm of our nation while serious international conflicts arise. How would he position our country? What would the consequences to our nation be? To the international community?” she asked, calling Trudeau’s answer “so mind-bogglingly ridiculous, I have to post it.”

Justin Trudeau is the fifth Liberal leader the Harper Conservative government has faced, if you count Bill Graham in 2006 and Bob Rae in 2011-12. He fronts the smallest caucus of any of them, having banished Liberal senators from the party’s weekly meetings at the beginning of this year. He is not even the Opposition leader—that job belongs to the scrappy and dogged Tom Mulcair, whose NDP caucus has 2½ MPs for every Liberal in the Commons.

Yet, there is plainly something about Trudeau that gets under Conservatives’ skins. The Liberals haven’t elected an MP in Alberta since 2004. But the Conservatives’ official Twitter account marked his visit to Edmonton for the Liberals’ annual caucus retreat by urging supporters to “sign your name if you want to keep Alberta blue.” The tweet was illustrated with an image of an all-blue map of Alberta. It left the uncomfortable impression that Conservatives are worried their party’s bastion could actually topple. Before Trudeau’s closing news conference in Edmonton, the Prime Minister’s Office sent reporters 360 words of talking points attributed to MPs Chris Warkentin and Jacques Gourde. “From the economy, to our security, to First Nations accountability and Canada’s role on the world stage—Justin Trudeau and his team have consistently demonstrated one truth,” the release said. “They lack the judgment to lead.”


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On Aug. 19, Michelle Rempel, a junior minister in the Stephen Harper government who won her Calgary Centre-North riding in 2011 by 20,000 votes, posted a video of Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau on her Facebook page.

“Many of you ask me why I sought to serve as an MP. Part of this role includes standing up for Canadian values and speaking out against terrorist acts, injustice, oppression and violence wrought by terrorist groups such as ISIS and Hamas on innocents,” she wrote. “For me, I think this is why the attached video is so blind-rage-inducing for me.”

The video came from Ezra Levant’s nightly Sun News TV show. It showed the Liberal leader speaking to reporters in Edmonton as the party’s MPs gathered for an end-of-summer caucus retreat. “The biggest threat to global security,” Trudeau said in response to a reporter’s question, “is the kind of violence and misunderstandings and wars that come out of resource depletion—concerns of lack of hope for generations growing up in a world that is getting smaller and seemingly less and less fair.”

Seeing this clip, Rempel was fit to bust a gasket. “This man . . .  spews a diatribe of non sequiturs and platitudes,” she told her Facebook followers. “I ask you to imagine this man at the helm of our nation while serious international conflicts arise. How would he position our country? What would the consequences to our nation be? To the international community?” she asked, calling Trudeau’s answer “so mind-bogglingly ridiculous, I have to post it.”

Justin Trudeau is the fifth Liberal leader the Harper Conservative government has faced, if you count Bill Graham in 2006 and Bob Rae in 2011-12. He fronts the smallest caucus of any of them, having banished Liberal senators from the party’s weekly meetings at the beginning of this year. He is not even the Opposition leader—that job belongs to the scrappy and dogged Tom Mulcair, whose NDP caucus has 2½ MPs for every Liberal in the Commons.

Yet, there is plainly something about Trudeau that gets under Conservatives’ skins. The Liberals haven’t elected an MP in Alberta since 2004. But the Conservatives’ official Twitter account marked his visit to Edmonton for the Liberals’ annual caucus retreat by urging supporters to “sign your name if you want to keep Alberta blue.” The tweet was illustrated with an image of an all-blue map of Alberta. It left the uncomfortable impression that Conservatives are worried their party’s bastion could actually topple. Before Trudeau’s closing news conference in Edmonton, the Prime Minister’s Office sent reporters 360 words of talking points attributed to MPs Chris Warkentin and Jacques Gourde. “From the economy, to our security, to First Nations accountability and Canada’s role on the world stage—Justin Trudeau and his team have consistently demonstrated one truth,” the release said. “They lack the judgment to lead.”

Related: The Interview: Justin Trudeau’s game plan

As is usually the case, the tone comes from the top. At Harper’s annual Calgary Stampede barbecue, he mentioned Trudeau by name 11 times, and Mulcair not at all. “He has nothing—absolutely nothing—of substance to offer,” the Prime Minister said of Trudeau. The Conservatives have spent more than a million dollars running radio ads against Trudeau’s plans for marijuana legalization in the past year. And the next election is still a year away.

There are at least three reasons for the preoccupation. First, the Trudeau Liberals are demonstrably and persistently popular among voters. Second, to Conservatives, he comes off as an incorrigible featherweight. Finally, and perhaps more important, there’s that last name of his—Trudeau, a reminder of ancient battles the Conservatives thought they’d put behind them. It’s as if a government led by Robin Hood suddenly found itself confronting a party led by the fresh-faced young Sheriff of Nottingham, Jr.

First, the polls. On his website ThreeHundredEight.com, analyst Éric Grenier finds that the Trudeau Liberals have now led all other parties in national polls for 16 consecutive months. New polls this week from Abacus Data and Ipsos Reid, not firms usually accused of having a soft spot for the Liberals, showed that party increasing its lead over the Conservatives to six and seven points, respectively.

Polls, of course, are for dogs, but the Conservatives have also been underperforming at the ballot box. University of Calgary political scientist Paul Fairie keeps track of parties’ vote share in by-elections and compares them to their share of the popular vote in full-scale federal elections. The Harper Conservatives increased their vote share in by-elections after the 2006 and 2008 elections. But, since 2011, their luck has run out: Conservatives’ share of the vote in recent by-elections is 11.8 percentage points lower than in the 2011 election. That’s worse than the Liberals’ performance under Pierre Trudeau and John Turner before they lost the 1984 election, and worse than the Liberals did in by-elections under Paul Martin before they lost in 2006.

Simply put, the Conservatives are in real trouble in public opinion, and the trouble looks like Justin Trudeau.

Which brings us to the second point: Did it have to be Justin Trudeau? He has two bachelor’s degrees, in literature from McGill University and in education from the University of British Columbia. He had no particular record of intellectual or private sector achievement before he arrived in Parliament in 2008. “A lot of our MPs have a hard time taking seriously the notion that someone like Justin could run a G7 government,” a senior Conservative said in an email, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“That is because most Tory MPs come from very practical, real-world career backgrounds in small business (Joe Preston), policing (Rick Norlock), or farming (Gerry Ritz), to name a few. Others have track records of governing (John Baird) or legislating (Jason Kenney). They have painstakingly built their reputations and livelihoods over decades of work.”

This Conservative acknowledged “grudging respect” for Jean Chrétien’s and Paul Martin’s achievements, before adding that in Trudeau, Conservatives see “a frivolous head-in-the-clouds dreamer who thinks that ‘budgets balance themselves,’ that terrorists are just ‘feeling excluded’ and that million-dollar chiefs [of First Nations communities] just need more money to spend on themselves in secret.”

In the same breath—well, the same email—this Conservative insisted there is nothing personal in his party’s attitude toward Trudeau. The Conservatives ran plenty of ads against Stéphane Dion and Michael Ignatieff in their time—even against Bob Rae, when he was the party’s caretaker leader after it was nearly shattered in the 2011 election. And the Liberals were never shy about attacking Preston Manning and Stockwell Day, this source said. “Rough-and-tumble treatment of leaders is nothing new. What is new is the amazing success of the Liberal team in convincing the media that normal political criticism is unprecedented and inhumane when directed at their leader.”

But perhaps it’s possible to argue for a broad and inclusive definition of partisan rough-and-tumble while marvelling at the extent to which Trudeau plainly drives Conservatives up the wall—in a way Martin, Dion and Ignatieff never did. With them, it was business. With him, it’s—well, it’s family, isn’t it? Because Justin Trudeau is, of course, the second person with that surname to provoke something approaching a cultural response from Conservatives.

“The faithful of the party have a horrible memory of the name of Trudeau that translates into exasperation,” another long-standing Conservative said. “Pierre Trudeau and his years in Ottawa are largely the reason why our party”—the Reform Party and, then, eventually, the modern Harper-led Conservative party—“came into being.”

In areas of the country where Pierre Trudeau was often wildly popular during his nearly 20-year political career—especially, but not only, Ontario and the western half of Montreal—it’s simply impossible to fathom the extent to which the former prime minister was loathed elsewhere. His economic policy was a beggar-thy-neighbour forced transfer of wealth from the Prairies to the skyscrapers of Toronto and Montreal. His language policy reserved the best jobs for disproportionately French Canadian bilinguals. His foreign policy could be summed up as appeasement.

But perhaps the best summary of this view of Pierre Trudeau—and certainly one of the most vehement—was written by Stephen Harper. On Oct. 5, 2000, two days after Justin Trudeau delivered a much-noticed speech at his father’s funeral, the National Post published an essay about the former PM by Harper, who was then the president of the National Citizens’ Coalition.

Harper wrote that he had passed the elder Trudeau in the street a year earlier and been struck by “a tired out, little old man” who had once “provoked both the loves and hatreds of my political passion.” The loves came first for Harper, he wrote, the hatreds as he matured. He called Trudeau “a distant leader who neither understood, nor cared to understand, a group of people over whom his actions had immense impact,” a man who “flail[ed] from one pet policy objective to another,” whose government “created huge deficits, a mammoth national debt, high taxes, bloated bureaucracy, rising unemployment, record inflation, curtailed trade and declining competitiveness.”

So far, Harper’s essay could be read as a scathing attack on Pierre Trudeau’s skill or engagement as an administrator. But he closed by contesting Trudeau’s morality. “Mr. Trudeau . . .  was also a member of the ‘greatest generation,’ the one that defeated the Nazis in war and resolutely stood down the Soviets in the decades that followed,” Harper wrote. “In those battles, however, the ones that truly defined his century, Mr. Trudeau took a pass.”

In recent interviews and in a speech in May to supporters of an Ottawa monument to victims of Communism, Harper has made it clear he still sees the history of the West in the 20th century as an epic conflict between good and evil, with evil abetted by those who “took a pass.” That’s why the bland complacency of Justin Trudeau’s comments on global security issues so reliably provoke the outrage of the Prime Minister and his strongest supporters.

After the Boston Marathon bombing of 2013, Trudeau told Peter Mansbridge, “There is no question that this happened because there is someone who feels completely excluded.” The remarks Michelle Rempel immortalized on Facebook, to the effect that ISIS is wreaking havoc in the Middle East because of “resource depletion,” were of a similar sort.

One of the big questions of politics in the year before the next federal election, then, is whether Conservatives can get more Canadians to share their disdain for Trudeau. So far, if 16 months of polls are any indication, they’ve had little luck.

The second Conservative who spoke for this story says he’s sanguine about results so far. “The reality about political advertising is it doesn’t need to work while it’s running. What it needs to do is accurately predict behaviour by your opponent that will reinforce the message that you are delivering.” In other words, it doesn’t matter whether voters think Trudeau is “in over his head,” as Conservative ads say, right now. What matters is whether Trudeau’s future words and actions fit that frame. The Conservative strategy amounts to a million-dollar bet that Trudeau will keep sounding like a global hug-a-thug with no idea how grown-up things work, and that Canadians will start to notice.

This is what happened to strong challengers who failed to break through in recent provincial elections in British Columbia, Alberta and Ontario. In each case, an incumbent government was in serious trouble in pre-election polls. In each case, voters chose to stick with the incumbent anyway. “Even though Canadians have an affinity for [Trudeau], even though Canadians like him in a way they don’t like Harper, even though they have an affinity for the family name, when you dig below that, they are not necessarily ready to give him the keys to the kingdom,” this Conservative said. “They’re not ready to concede that he’s got the gravitas to do what needs to be done.”

Through it all, Trudeau professes to be too busy focusing on Canadians to worry when the government focuses on him. He will need his insouciance. The stakes are so high, the echoes of history so insistent, that the Conservatives will continue to treat him as something more than just another opponent. The last few times they took a Liberal apart, it was business. This time, it’s personal.

What’s behind the Tories’ obsession with Justin Trudeau
 

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There is a definition of subsidy is in the report and it's not a tax credit.

"But the critics’ numbers bounce around all over the place depending on the definition they use. Some consider certain externalities like car accidents as subsidies. They argue that most vehicles are propelled by internal combustion engines running on gasoline and the fuel is indirectly implicated in the crash. By this line of reasoning, they find fault with the industry for not contributing to accident costs."


"Contacted by the left-leaning Tyee online news site, IMF researchers helpfully provided a detailed breakdown of those Canadian “subsidies.” The bulk, about $19.4 billion in 2011, was identified as uncollected taxes and externalized costs such as carbon emissions, pollution, traffic accidents and even road congestion. "

“reasonable people looking at it would dismiss the IMF view as being overly inclusive in its definition.”

Separating fact from fiction in the claim that oil and gas companies are over-subsidized - Alberta Oil | Canada’s leading source for oil and gas newsAlberta Oil | Canada’s leading source for oil and gas news


Trudeau has invested heavily in that company... Hardly a surprise that the polls support him