Actually, we should ban Halloween because it ain't all Jesus-y.
Or maybe just let young folk have some fun. Pretty sure the Empire won't fall from it.
Let's ban Halloween.
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Or maybe just let young folk have some fun. Pretty sure the Empire won't fall from it.
Strangely enough there are those who believe that Halloween started with the Christians.
The purple denotes sarcasm.
Just having a go at satirizing all the mental midgets who whine about Halloween costumes and cultural appropriation.
Actually, they "borrowed" (stole) it from the pre-Christian religions. Samhain or whatever the local "barbarians" chose to call their post-equinox festival.Strangely enough there are those who believe that Halloween started with the Christians.
The purple denotes sarcasm.
Just having a go at satirizing all the mental midgets who whine about Halloween costumes and cultural appropriation.
The Christians, in the early days, were happy to co-opt the local gods and make them "saints," if it got the pagans on-side.
FFS, Easter comes from "Oestre" the Anglo-Saxon goddess of the dawn.
It is the way. . . (dwamatic pause). . . of my people!Strangely enough there are those who believe that Halloween started with the Christians.
The purple denotes sarcasm.
Just having a go at satirizing all the mental midgets who whine about Halloween costumes and cultural appropriation.
(Yeah, well, your people were a bunch of backward stone-age fuckwits. Sitting on top of the richest iron ore deposits on the planet chipping flint axes. Wake the fuck up!)
Samhain is a Celtic festival. Easter is a rip off the Anglo-Saxon Oestre as you stated and Christmas is a rip off of Saturnalia and something else that escapes me.
Even the concept of Hell has had two makeovers since the beginning of the Judeo-Christian ideology.
And as such is a general "pagan" festival. There were plenty of tribes that were able to look at the sky and identify the autumnal equinox. Yeah, the specific "Samhain" is a Celtic (Gaelic) term, but it ain't like other northern barbarians had the equivalent.
Oh, it's not just "your people". There's a small group of nurses in Quebec who want the sexy nurse Halloween costume banned. They're crying that it "demeans the profession". This despite a group of nurses in Alberta who dressed up as sexy nurses to raise money for charity.
OK, I TOTALLY am going to Alberta for my Halloween!
Let's see. . . I can join the protest of a bunch of authentic, God's-own-creation streaks of misery in Kay-bec, or have some fun and get a flash of leg and cleavage in the Wild West. . .
Hmmm. . . decisions, decisions. . .
Tis not the date of the festival but the substance of it to which I'm referring.
Cool. Hey, if every mish-mash of ancient pagan sky-watching, overlaid by Catholic appropriation, led to such a fun night, I might head for the confessional!
Christmas, Mardi Gras, Shrove Tuesday (awesome if you love pancakes). See ya in church. lol
It was very different when people first watched it back in '73. Many found it horrific. I don't think anybody had ever seen a 13 year old girl possessed by a demon masturbating with a crucifix and then her head swivelling round 180 degrees. On top of that was the foul language (including the words "cunting daughter") in a deep voice she (or rather the demon) was coming out with after physically abusing her mother. It's very disturbing.
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Officials criticized over Seoul deaths
Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
Kim Tong-hyung
Publishing date:Oct 31, 2022 • 1 day ago • 5 minute read • 11 Comments
A person mourns at a group memorial for the victims of a crowd crush during a Halloween festival, at Seoul City Hall Plaza in Seoul, South Korea, October 31, 2022.
A person mourns at a group memorial for the victims of a crowd crush during a Halloween festival, at Seoul City Hall Plaza in Seoul, South Korea, October 31, 2022. PHOTO BY HEO RAN /REUTERS
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Seoul police assigned 137 officers to manage a crowd of Halloween revelers anticipated to number over 100,000 over the weekend — a decision that has come under intense criticism following the deaths of more than 150 people when the group surged.
By comparison, nearly 7,000 police officers were sent to another part of the South Korean capital on Saturday to monitor dueling protests that drew tens of thousands but still fewer people than flocked to the popular nightlife district of Itaewon the same night. Even the task force created to investigate the deaths, with 475 members, is more three times larger than the detail assigned to crowd control.
As South Korea mourns, officials are facing tough questions about preparations for the celebrations and demands for accountability in the wake of the country’s worst disaster in nearly a decade.
The national government has insisted there was no way to predict the crowd would get out of control.
Experts disagree. Deploying so few police officers, they said, showed officials were poorly prepared despite knowing ahead of time that there would be a huge gathering following the easing of COVID-19 restrictions in recent months.
On top of assigning more personnel, police and officials in the Yongsan district, which governs Itaewon, should have pedestrianized some streets and taken other measures to ease the crowding in narrow lanes like the one where the deaths occurred, experts said.
Instead, the 137 officers in Itaewon were assigned to monitor crime, with a particular focus on narcotics use, meaning that for all practical purposes “no one was looking after pedestrian safety,” said Kong Ha-song, a disaster prevention professor at South Korea’s Woosuk University.
The deaths should be seen as a “man-made disaster,” said Lee Changmoo, an urban planning professor at Seoul’s Hanyang University.
Authorities have come under similar criticism in national media and on social networks. The headline of an editorial in the Hankyoreh newspaper on Sunday described the tragedy as “all too avoidable.” The paper said its reporting showed that a pedestrian got knocked down by a crowd in Itaewon a day before Halloween festivities — although no one was hurt.
Saturday’s deaths occurred in a downhill alley running between a dense row of store fronts and the landmark Hamilton Hotel. The path became clogged by a huge throng of partygoers before some of them fell and toppled over “like dominos,” according to witnesses.
Emergency workers were so overwhelmed by the number of people lying motionless on the ground that they asked pedestrians to help them with CPR. But Choi Sukjae, an emergency medicine specialist and chief spokesperson of the Korean Emergency Medical Association, said CPR, which ideally should be administered within a handful of minutes, wouldn’t have made much of a difference in many cases since the paramedics were delayed getting to the scene because the area was so packed.
This picture taken on Oct. 29, 2022 shows emergency workers and others assisting people who were caught in a Halloween stampede in the district of Itaewon in Seoul.
This picture taken on Oct. 29, 2022 shows emergency workers and others assisting people who were caught in a Halloween stampede in the district of Itaewon in Seoul. PHOTO BY ALBERT RETIEF /AFP via Getty Images
Kong, the disaster prevention professor, said more police and government workers should have been called on to monitor potential bottleneck points. He suggested that the crush may have been prevented if authorities had enforced one-way walking lanes, blocked entry to some narrow pathways, and temporarily closed Itaewon’s subway station to prevent an excessive number of people moving in the same direction.
Officials also could have also temporarily closed Itaewon’s main road to cars, as they did during the annual Itaewon Global Village Festival earlier in October, thereby giving people more room to spread out, Kong said.
Lee, the urban planning professor, criticized Interior and Safety Minister Lee Sang-min, who claimed, without elaborating, that having more police and fire department personnel on the ground wouldn’t have prevented the tragedy.
When asked about the number of officers assigned, the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency said 137 was still more than it sent in 2020 and 2021, excluding units specifically assigned to virus control measures. Police and government officials have acknowledged this year’s crowd was bigger — but it was not clear by how much.
Kong added that the lack of a central organizer on Saturday — when young people flocked to bars and night clubs to celebrate Halloween but there was not one specific event promoted — may have contributed to the tragedy.
“Our country usually does a good job in following the manual and maintaining crowd control at events where there’s a specific organizer,” he said. “But officials are often unsure what to do or even don’t care about events that aren’t created by a specific organizer … although it’s those events that usually require a closer watch.”
Police officers walk at the scene where many people died and were injured in a stampede during a Halloween festival in Seoul, South Korea, October 30, 2022.
Police officers walk at the scene where many people died and were injured in a stampede during a Halloween festival in Seoul, South Korea, October 30, 2022. PHOTO BY KIM HONG-JI /REUTERS
Hong Ki-hyeon, a senior official with the national police agency, acknowledged that problem during a news conference Monday, saying police do not have an established way to deal with such gatherings.
“In events like festivals that have a specific organizer, discussions are made between related municipalities, police, fire departments and medical experts who prepare and cooperate under different roles,” Hong said. “That is what we lacked regarding this accident.”
Yongsan district refused to answer questions about preparations. District Mayor Park Hee-young instead said in a statement Monday that her office was deploying “all administrative resources” to support the injured and families of the victims.
In the two previous years, the district’s preparations for the Halloween festivities were focused on preventing the spread of COVID-19 among partygoers. Workers toured bars, restaurants and nightclubs to monitor whether they were abiding by social distancing rules, and checkpoints were established in crowded areas where public workers and volunteers took the temperatures of partygoers.
Saturday’s crush was the country’s biggest disaster since 304 people, mostly high school students, died in a ferry sinking in April 2014. The sinking exposed lax safety rules and regulatory failures.
South Korea has a long history of deadly crowd crushes and stampedes, although none as deadly as Saturday’s. In 2005, 11 people were killed and dozens were injured in a pop concert during a crowd crush in the southern city of Sangju.
In 1960, 31 people died after being crushed on the stairs of a train station as large crowds rushed to board a train during the Lunar New Year holidays.
torontosun.com
Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
Kim Tong-hyung
Publishing date:Oct 31, 2022 • 1 day ago • 5 minute read • 11 Comments
A person mourns at a group memorial for the victims of a crowd crush during a Halloween festival, at Seoul City Hall Plaza in Seoul, South Korea, October 31, 2022.
A person mourns at a group memorial for the victims of a crowd crush during a Halloween festival, at Seoul City Hall Plaza in Seoul, South Korea, October 31, 2022. PHOTO BY HEO RAN /REUTERS
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Seoul police assigned 137 officers to manage a crowd of Halloween revelers anticipated to number over 100,000 over the weekend — a decision that has come under intense criticism following the deaths of more than 150 people when the group surged.
By comparison, nearly 7,000 police officers were sent to another part of the South Korean capital on Saturday to monitor dueling protests that drew tens of thousands but still fewer people than flocked to the popular nightlife district of Itaewon the same night. Even the task force created to investigate the deaths, with 475 members, is more three times larger than the detail assigned to crowd control.
As South Korea mourns, officials are facing tough questions about preparations for the celebrations and demands for accountability in the wake of the country’s worst disaster in nearly a decade.
The national government has insisted there was no way to predict the crowd would get out of control.
Experts disagree. Deploying so few police officers, they said, showed officials were poorly prepared despite knowing ahead of time that there would be a huge gathering following the easing of COVID-19 restrictions in recent months.
On top of assigning more personnel, police and officials in the Yongsan district, which governs Itaewon, should have pedestrianized some streets and taken other measures to ease the crowding in narrow lanes like the one where the deaths occurred, experts said.
Instead, the 137 officers in Itaewon were assigned to monitor crime, with a particular focus on narcotics use, meaning that for all practical purposes “no one was looking after pedestrian safety,” said Kong Ha-song, a disaster prevention professor at South Korea’s Woosuk University.
The deaths should be seen as a “man-made disaster,” said Lee Changmoo, an urban planning professor at Seoul’s Hanyang University.
Authorities have come under similar criticism in national media and on social networks. The headline of an editorial in the Hankyoreh newspaper on Sunday described the tragedy as “all too avoidable.” The paper said its reporting showed that a pedestrian got knocked down by a crowd in Itaewon a day before Halloween festivities — although no one was hurt.
Saturday’s deaths occurred in a downhill alley running between a dense row of store fronts and the landmark Hamilton Hotel. The path became clogged by a huge throng of partygoers before some of them fell and toppled over “like dominos,” according to witnesses.
Emergency workers were so overwhelmed by the number of people lying motionless on the ground that they asked pedestrians to help them with CPR. But Choi Sukjae, an emergency medicine specialist and chief spokesperson of the Korean Emergency Medical Association, said CPR, which ideally should be administered within a handful of minutes, wouldn’t have made much of a difference in many cases since the paramedics were delayed getting to the scene because the area was so packed.
This picture taken on Oct. 29, 2022 shows emergency workers and others assisting people who were caught in a Halloween stampede in the district of Itaewon in Seoul.
This picture taken on Oct. 29, 2022 shows emergency workers and others assisting people who were caught in a Halloween stampede in the district of Itaewon in Seoul. PHOTO BY ALBERT RETIEF /AFP via Getty Images
Kong, the disaster prevention professor, said more police and government workers should have been called on to monitor potential bottleneck points. He suggested that the crush may have been prevented if authorities had enforced one-way walking lanes, blocked entry to some narrow pathways, and temporarily closed Itaewon’s subway station to prevent an excessive number of people moving in the same direction.
Officials also could have also temporarily closed Itaewon’s main road to cars, as they did during the annual Itaewon Global Village Festival earlier in October, thereby giving people more room to spread out, Kong said.
Lee, the urban planning professor, criticized Interior and Safety Minister Lee Sang-min, who claimed, without elaborating, that having more police and fire department personnel on the ground wouldn’t have prevented the tragedy.
When asked about the number of officers assigned, the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency said 137 was still more than it sent in 2020 and 2021, excluding units specifically assigned to virus control measures. Police and government officials have acknowledged this year’s crowd was bigger — but it was not clear by how much.
Kong added that the lack of a central organizer on Saturday — when young people flocked to bars and night clubs to celebrate Halloween but there was not one specific event promoted — may have contributed to the tragedy.
“Our country usually does a good job in following the manual and maintaining crowd control at events where there’s a specific organizer,” he said. “But officials are often unsure what to do or even don’t care about events that aren’t created by a specific organizer … although it’s those events that usually require a closer watch.”
Police officers walk at the scene where many people died and were injured in a stampede during a Halloween festival in Seoul, South Korea, October 30, 2022.
Police officers walk at the scene where many people died and were injured in a stampede during a Halloween festival in Seoul, South Korea, October 30, 2022. PHOTO BY KIM HONG-JI /REUTERS
Hong Ki-hyeon, a senior official with the national police agency, acknowledged that problem during a news conference Monday, saying police do not have an established way to deal with such gatherings.
“In events like festivals that have a specific organizer, discussions are made between related municipalities, police, fire departments and medical experts who prepare and cooperate under different roles,” Hong said. “That is what we lacked regarding this accident.”
Yongsan district refused to answer questions about preparations. District Mayor Park Hee-young instead said in a statement Monday that her office was deploying “all administrative resources” to support the injured and families of the victims.
In the two previous years, the district’s preparations for the Halloween festivities were focused on preventing the spread of COVID-19 among partygoers. Workers toured bars, restaurants and nightclubs to monitor whether they were abiding by social distancing rules, and checkpoints were established in crowded areas where public workers and volunteers took the temperatures of partygoers.
Saturday’s crush was the country’s biggest disaster since 304 people, mostly high school students, died in a ferry sinking in April 2014. The sinking exposed lax safety rules and regulatory failures.
South Korea has a long history of deadly crowd crushes and stampedes, although none as deadly as Saturday’s. In 2005, 11 people were killed and dozens were injured in a pop concert during a crowd crush in the southern city of Sangju.
In 1960, 31 people died after being crushed on the stairs of a train station as large crowds rushed to board a train during the Lunar New Year holidays.
'MAN-MADE DISASTER': Officials criticized over Seoul deaths
Seoul police assigned 137 officers to manage a crowd of Halloween revelers anticipated to number over 100,000 over the weekend.