Les Chevaliers du Legion d'Honneur

Blackleaf

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Probably why he didn't do much and isn't saying much.

He doesn't say much because he's BRITISH. He's more humble after such heroics than most loudmouth Yanks are.

As for Skarlatos and Stone, they've been trained to deal with lethal situations. I don't think Chris Norman, a consultant, has.

A British grandfather who emerged as the unlikely hero of a foiled gun attack has described the moment he chose to "get angry and do something".

IT consultant Chris Norman, 62, helped two off-duty US servicemen and their friend overpower suspected terrorist Ayoub El-Khazzani after he burst into a packed train carriage armed with an AK47, pistol and boxcutter.

Airman Spencer Stone, who was first to jump on the gunman, and National Guard specialist Alek Skarlatos were trained to deal with lethal situations and college student Anthony Sadler, who piled in with Mr Norman afterwards, was perhaps reinforced by the bravery of youth.

But Mr Norman, who looked slightly embarrassed as he held up a bravery medal from the mayor of the French town of Arras, where the drama unfolded, blood stains still visible on his shirt, drew on different reserves.


Anthony Sadler, Alek Skarlatos and Chris Norman pose with bravery medals from the mayor of Arras (Reuters)

At a press conference - at which he spoke both English and fluent French - the grandfather-of-three, said: “I was sitting in the coach. I heard a shot, I heard some glass breaking then I saw somebody running down the aisle to the front of the train.

“I was facing towards the back and then I stood up to see what was happening. I saw a man with what I think was an AK-47 or something like a machine gun.

“My first reaction was to sit down and hide. Then I heard one guy, an American, say, ‘Go get him.’

“I heard another American say, ‘Don’t you do that, buddy.’

“I decided then perhaps it was really the only time or chance to act as a team and try to take the terrorist.”

Mr Norman, who lives in the south of France, added: “It was rapid reasoning. He had a Kalashnikov, he had a magazine full and I didn’t know how many magazines he had.

“My thought was: ‘OK, I’m probably going to die anyway so let’s go.’

“I would rather die being active trying to get him down than simply sit in the corner and be shot.”

It turned out El-Khazzani, who had been known to French security forces for at least 18 months, had almost 300 rounds of ammunition in nine full magazines.


Blood is clearly visible on Mr Norman's shirt during an interview for French television (AP)

Mr Norman’s actions contrasted sharply with those of the French train staff, whom French actor Jean-Hugues Anglade, also on the train, accused of locking themselves in their staffroom.

The star of Betty Blue and Nikita told Paris Match: “We heard screaming passengers in English: 'He shoots! He shoots! He has a Kalashnikov!'’

The actor, who was travelling with his two children and his girlfriend, said: “Suddenly, members of the crew ran into the hallway and their faces were pale.”

He said the staff hurried towards their own car on the train and opened it 'with a special key' before they locked themselves inside.


Chris Norman: British hero who stopped French terrorist on train said 'OK, I’m probably going to die anyway so let's go' - Home News - UK - The Independent
 
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I need to remind you T... you are talking about the Royal Navy now. They are not known for their fighting skills.
The airman was stationed in the Azores. Probably a loadmaster. His "combat training" would have been four hours on the range at Lackland AFB, firing an M-16 modified to run .22 LR rounds, and annual recertification involving firing 55 rounds.

The Air Force hard men are as hard as anybody. I doubt even a Marine would get crossways with a PJ. But your average Air Force clerk, tech, mechanic, or loadmaster has essentially zero combat training.

He doesn't say much because he's BRITISH. He's more humble after such heroics than most loudmouth Yanks are.
You realize the Brit is the only one talking in this interview, right?

Kinda makes shoots your whole "humble Brit, loudmouth Yanks" line right in the a*s.
 

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“My first reaction was to sit down and hide. Then I heard one guy, an American, say, ‘Go get him.’

Not a big surprise.


 

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I think the Americans on here are angry that I've not allowed their fellow countrymen to claim all the glory for themselves. The Americans are quite good at that and ignoring the contributions and bravery of others, and this has been a classic example right here on this site.

Mr Norman = British hero.
 

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Eagle, guys I've been talking to say this should be about Silver Star level. What say you?

The soldier gets the SS, the zoomie the SS, a Purple Heart, and a Medal for Humanitarian Action for saving the wounded passenger, is my call.

It ain't double-medalling because the Legion d'Honneur isn't a military decoration.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I think the Americans on here are angry that I've not allowed their fellow countrymen to claim all the glory for themselves. The Americans are quite good at that and ignoring the contributions and bravery of others, and this has been a classic example right here on this site.

Mr Norman = British hero.
I've made it quite clear that I have all the respect and admiration in the world for the Brit. Post #7, first line. Get an adult to help you with the big words. Your reading comprehension skills are obviously sh*t.
 

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I think the Americans on here are angry that I've not allowed their fellow countrymen to claim all the glory for themselves. The Americans are quite good at that and ignoring the contributions and bravery of others, and this has been a classic example right here on this site.

Mr Norman = British hero.

They have the glory already. You're angry that your guy was going to hide until the Americans reacted.

I suspect your dubious way of thinking would be a lot different had Mr Norman been an American.

Mr. Norman only acted after the fight was over. He probably should give the medal back.

I suspect your dubious way of thinking would be a lot different had Mr Norman been an American.

“My first reaction was to sit down and hide. Then I heard one guy, an American, say, ‘Go get him.’
 

Blackleaf

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They have the glory already. You're angry that your guy was going to hide until the Americans reacted.



Mr. Norman only acted after the fight was over. He probably should give the medal back.



“My first reaction was to sit down and hide. Then I heard one guy, an American, say, ‘Go get him.’


If Mr Norman was an American you and Tecumseh's Boner would be hailing him as an all-American hero.

But because he's not American you initially try to ignore his heroism and try to claim all the glory for the Yanks. But when someone points out that it wasn't an all-Yank initiative, you then try to belittle the contribution of the non-American.

This is a VERY American way of doing things. Yanks doing it all the time. But you can't get away with such things when Blackleaf is around.

I'll point out again that Mr Norman is a 62-year-old grandfather who, unlike Skarlatos and Stone, has had no training to deal with lethal situations.
 

EagleSmack

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Too bad these Americans weren't around when the little drummer boy was getting his head sawed off. The brits stood around and took pics and started a discussion with the murderers.

But Mr Norman, who looked slightly embarrassed as he held up a bravery medal from the mayor of the French town of Arras
 

Blackleaf

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Too bad these Americans weren't around when the little drummer boy was getting his head sawed off. The brits stood around and took pics and started a discussion with the murderers.


It's called the bystander effect. You should read about it. It really is a fascinating phenomenon.
 

Blackleaf

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Yeah... the Brit bystander effect.

If it wasn't for the Americans, Mr. Norman would have been shot cowering.


The bystander effect it's known as which, funnily enough, takes its name from a famous case in America, when 38 Yanks stood around doing nothing as Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death by a serial rapist and murderer in New York City in 1964, despite her screams and pleads of help.
 

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Really took hold in England that day! Wow!

No real surprise why Mr. Norman wanted to hide... He's British!
 

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Mr Norman, who was born in Uganda and raised in South Africa, rang his wife, Martine Leonardy, after the ordeal.

LMAO

No wonder why he made an effort. He's not really Briddish!