Leah Parsons Harper Meeting: discussion:

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Meanwhile back at the thread: A young girl killed herself after being sexually assaulted and bullied by classmates. She didn't say Quebec was the best Province, nor did she insult Alberta, but let's make it about the real victim here, poor Justin Trudeau.

 

[CDNBear]

Toss the Young Offender's Act out when it comes to this publication ban crap.

I completely disagree.

These goofs and they are goofs had no issues with their names and faces going public on social media.

That's the clowns in this case. What about kids that get arrested on the false claims of jilted girlfriends?

Let the public know who they are then maybe victims will get justice against the goofs.

And innocent kids, or kids that may stray from the path because of youthful indiscretion get labeled and bullied for life.

I don't want unknown goofs running around on my streets, I want to know who the goofs are so I can treat them like the goofs they are.

That's exactly why we protect their identities, so adults don't act like kids and attack them.

I want them to wear their rapist goof azz shame in public, not hiding their goof azzes by law.

Wow.

 

[lone wolf]

Meanwhile back at the thread: A young girl killed herself after being sexually assaulted and bullied by classmates. She didn't say Quebec was the best Province, nor did she insult Alberta, but let's make it about the real victim here, poor Justin Trudeau.

Tunnel vision much? Attacks and verbal abuse against ANYBODY is bullying ... but thanks for playing.

 

[CDNBear]

Attacks and verbal abuse against ANYBODY is bullying ...

Is it? I think not.

 

[lone wolf]

Is it? I think not.

How is it I believe that....

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Tunnel vision much? Attacks and verbal abuse against ANYBODY is bullying ... but thanks for playing.

Sorry, I wasn't playing. Just pointing out your idiotic comparisons. No worries though, I understand your ***** savior needs a pass when it comes to defending his inexperience. When someone calls him on it, that's not bullying, it's called politics. I guess Justin's being called to task for comments he made are equal to a girl being sexually assaulted and bullied. Yeah right on the money.

And there you go, you finally derailed the thread. Congratulations.

 

[lone wolf]

Sorry, I wasn't playing. Just pointing out your idiotic comparisons. No worries though, I understand your ***** savior needs a pass when it comes to defending his inexperience. When someone calls him on it, that's not bullying, it's called politics. I guess Justin's being called to task for comments he made are equal to a girl being sexually assaulted and bullied. Yeah right on the money.

And there you go, you finally derailed the thread. Congratulations.

My saviour? I doubt that ... but enjoy the fantasy that you might actually know something


BTW YOU mentioned Justin. I left it ambiguous....

 

[CDNBear]

How is it I believe that....

Because you know some people beg for it? Deserve it? And as Mark points out, politics is politics, it's not bullying.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

My saviour? I doubt that ... but enjoy the fantasy that you might actually know something

Hey Lone wolf its all about you dude. Couldn't take a hint early on. I even offered to go to another thread, but let's look back to what you brought to this thread.


ZIP!

 

[lone wolf]

Hey Lone wolf its all about you dude. Couldn't take a hint early on. I even offered to go to another thread, but let's look back to what you brought to this thread.


ZIP!

I know what the thread is about. It shouldn't have to be explained that bullying is bullying no matter who does it ... even you. Harper is supposed to be an example of all that is right in this country. He publicly belittles those with whose politics he disagrees. Do you really think that sort of behaviour is the sort of stuff you want to see manifesting itself - unless you really love drama and hate.

Now grow up and dump your cool-aid

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I know what the thread is about. It shouldn't have to be explained that bullying is bullying no matter who does it ... even you. Harper is supposed to be an example of all that is right in this country. He publicly belittles those with whose politics he disagrees. Do you really think that sort of behaviour is the sort of stuff you want to see manifesting itself - unless you really love drama and hate.

Now grow up and dump your cool-aid

Good grief, well this thread has been killed long enough for the Mods to strip these posts and then it will be for for nothing. I don't know what hole you've had your head stuffed in over the last two decades, but using your logic every party leader has been a bully then. I've seen campaign ads depicting Harper as a man who would put soldiers in streets. I've seen Ads by the late Jack Layton place Harper in an ad where it looked like he was giving the Hail Hitler. When asked about this, Jack skirted it completely. I've seen that weirdo from the Greens gang up in a bully-esque fashion during debate. Attack ads are nothing new in poilitics, maybe for you, but please step down from your self righteous soapbox and Google it fer garsh sake.

 

[lone wolf]

Good grief, well this thread has been killed long enough for the Mods to strip these posts and then it will be for for nothing. I don't know what hole you've had your head stuffed in over the last two decades, but using your logic every party leader has been a bully then.

Only the ones who have to resort to public ridicule

I've seen campaign ads depicting Harper as a man who would put soldiers in streets. I've seen Ads by the late Jack Layton place Harper in an ad where it looked like he was giving the Hail Hitler. When asked about this, Jack skirted it completely. I've seen that weirdo from the Greens gang up in a bully-esque fashion during debate. Attack ads are nothing new in poilitics, maybe for you, but please step down from your self righteous soapbox and Google it fer garsh sake.

No, they're nothing new. Set an example and end the bullying. Set an example and start co-operating. Set an example and stop with the stuff that gets kids a time-out at recess. It's about respect and the Legislature demonstrates very little of it.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Only the ones who have to resort to public ridicule

No, they're nothing new. Set an example and end the bullying. Set an example and start co-operating. Set an example and stop with the stuff that gets kids a time-out at recess. It's about respect and the Legislature demonstrates very little of it.

For the last time. Politics are a far cry from what happened "the subject" in this thread. The accusations you make might have warranted debate and discussion in another thread, but looked shrill and ridiculous in this one. Context is everything.

 

[captain morgan]

What has become very interesting in the evolution of this thread is the manner in which there is justification in using the excuse (or accusation) of bullying to in turn, act the part of the bully in a de facto manner. The notion that politics (Harper) were incorporated really brings this observation home (... and no - the irony is not lost on me that I fueled this fire as well).

So, this brings us to the question of 'what' is construed as bullying and at what point does it morph into simple retribution?

What happened to Leah Parsons is bullying (let alone criminal).

For those that strike-out against the perps of that twisted action against her; is that also bullying or does it qualify as something else?

As for Harper, Trudeau, et al - it's part and parcel of the territory in the political realm and if the heat is too much; then time to reconsider the career decision to remain in politics

 

[SLM]

What has become very interesting in the evolution of this thread is the manner in which there is justification in using the excuse (or accusation) of bullying to in turn, act the part of the bully in a de facto manner. The notion that politics (Harper) were incorporated really brings this observation home (... and no - the irony is not lost on me that I fueled this fire as well).

So, this brings us to the question of 'what' is construed as bullying and at what point does it morph into simple retribution?

What happened to Leah Parsons is bullying (let alone criminal).

For those that strike-out against the perps of that twisted action against her; is that also bullying or does it qualify as something else?

To me bullying requires having some kind of power over the victim. Peers can bully because they hold the power of ostracizing you, authority figures can bully because they obviously have power being in authority, same goes for employers, teachers, etc.

When you say retribution, I envision that more as standing up to a bully, whether it's your own or someone else doesn't really matter.

As for Harper, Trudeau, et al - it's part and parcel of the territory in the political realm and if the heat is too much; then time to reconsider the career decision to remain in politics

Politics is a whole other kettle of fish. They are more like yappy dogs than bullies.

 

[captain morgan]

To me bullying requires having some kind of power over the victim. Peers can bully because they hold the power of ostracizing you, authority figures can bully because they obviously have power being in authority, same goes for employers, teachers, etc.

Not to split hairs here; but in order for someone to have power over another - the 'victim' (for lack of a better word) has to allow it to happen as well.

Leah's specific case is unusual in that the rapists used their violent crime as further leverage against her.... To be honest, I am still stunned that the authorities were not able to roast these sick bastards on the sexual assault alone.

When you say retribution, I envision that more as standing up to a bully, whether it's your own or someone else doesn't really matter.

The word revenge can easily be exchanged with retribution. Personally, I don't have too much problem with this, especially when it is unrelated members of society that confront the 'bullies' and dish 'em up some of the abuse that they have doled out to others in the past.

Politics is a whole other kettle of fish. They are more like yappy dogs than bullies.

No doubt... Most would benefit from being neutered and muzzled

 

[SLM]

Not to split hairs here; but in order for someone to have power over another - the 'victim' (for lack of a better word) has to allow it to happen as well.

Yes, I don't disagree but that's why I mentioned the specific groups that I did. With young kids and teens, the power of the group is a very big deal, and they often just haven't developed enough to be able to stand up for themselves. So they only "allow" it because they just don't know how to cope with it, you know what I mean?

And don't forget too that bullies are essentially cowards. They seek out individuals that they can hold power over, somebody physically smaller or someone who's in a desperate situation that will put up what they dish out because they feel they have no choice.

While I absolutely do not ever blame the victim (and to be clear, I don't think you're doing that either) the irony of it is that in order to get out from under a bully's hold, they need to be empowered. Very similar to an abused child or spouse, they get ground down self-esteem wise so while they are really the only ones that can pull themselves up, it's nearly impossible to do so. That's why these things tend to cycle the way they do.

Leah's specific case is unusual in that the rapists used their violent crime as further leverage against her.... To be honest, I am still stunned that the authorities were not able to roast these sick bastards on the sexual assault alone.

In this specific case, it was a bombardment and I think it was overwhelming to her. She was knocked off kilter by the assault, who wouldn't be?, and then continued to be knocked around by the continued pressure and taunting.

And it's Rehtaeh by the way, Leah is the mom.

The word revenge can easily be exchanged with retribution. Personally, I don't have too much problem with this, especially when it is unrelated members of society that confront the 'bullies' and dish 'em up some of the abuse that they have doled out to others in the past.

They fold pretty fast, they are cowards after all. But I personally think we need to be careful that we don't cross that same line with them. It's not about whether they deserve better treatment, it's about being a better person ourselves. That's just my opinion.

No doubt... Most would benefit from being neutered and muzzled

Petros has a plan for that. lol

 

[captain morgan]

In this specific case, it was a bombardment and I think it was overwhelming to her. She was knocked off kilter by the assault, who wouldn't be?, and then continued to be knocked around by the continued pressure and taunting.

No doubt... I can't even begin to imagine what that poor girl went through

And it's Rehtaeh by the way, Leah is the mom.

Thanks for the correction - I thought it was Rhea (again wrong) and looked back at the title of the thread and saw the Mom's name.

Anyways, I do appreciate the heads-up on my mistake

They fold pretty fast, they are cowards after all. But I personally think we need to be careful that we don't cross that same line with them. It's not about whether they deserve better treatment, it's about being a better person ourselves. That's just my opinion.

Really great observation and I agree with all said, however, in a case that yields extreme and devastating results, the gloves come off in my book. Someone made the decision(s) that yielded consequences that these perps probably didn't intend; but that doesn't change the fact that Rehtaeh is no longer here.

They took the chance and now they ought to face the full weight of the consequences for their crappy decision(s)

Petros has a plan for that. lol

I'm hoping for at least spay/neutering

 

[SLM]

No doubt... I can't even begin to imagine what that poor girl went through

Fortunately not many do, but some will. That's where choices that we make now, how we discuss this between ourselves and with our kids, can make all the difference in the world.

Thanks for the correction - I thought it was Rhea (again wrong) and looked back at the title of the thread and saw the Mom's name.

Anyways, I do appreciate the heads-up on my mistake

No problem, I figured it was just because of the name in the title.

Really great observation and I agree with all said, however, in a case that yields extreme and devastating results, the gloves come off in my book. Someone made the decision(s) that yielded consequences that these perps probably didn't intend; but that doesn't change the fact that Rehtaeh is no longer here.

They took the chance and now they ought to face the full weight of the consequences for their crappy decision(s)

Oh they should face the full consequences for what they did, what they started. And every single person who added to the pain and torment should as well. But I still stop at bullying the bullies, if we're talking true retribution then that's not a place I can go in good conscience. I always try for a high road kind of thing, lol.

By the way, did I mention, I was accused of being a 'bully' here last night. Can you believe that? lol.

I'm hoping for at least spay/neutering

He's got some equipment, apparently used for cattle. I already called 'look-out' cuz I ain't getting near it.8O

 

[karrie]

Oh they should face the full consequences for what they did, what they started. And every single person who added to the pain and torment should as well. But I still stop at bullying the bullies, if we're talking true retribution then that's not a place I can go in good conscience. I always try for a high road kind of thing, lol.

The problem with a 'group bullying' scenario, is that all individuals did, is voice an opinion. One or two exchanges. Individually they will never see themselves as bullies, because they DIDN'T bully, right? They will forever be blissfully unaware of the effect they had in contributing to the pile-on. They will always see their actions as individual, never as a group. The internet is ground zero for faceless, harmless, opinion contributions, that add up to a disgusting spectacle of group feeding frenzy. And that's the adults willingly participating on here that come to mind. I can't even fathom what it looks like with the emotional teenagers who want no part in being the object of discussion.