Lashing out at the world

damngrumpy

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It is not acceptable to commit this kind of offence to justify getting your WCB. But he has done what thousands have at one point or another considered in their
rage over this organization. WCB, where the workers are jerked around by a bunch of arrogant, elitists who look down their nose and anyone who dare to question their decisions. The words pre existing condition is the favorite word in
the offices of this cabal. Everything possible is done to deny benefits and if they
have to pay they persuade people to sign off for less because they are nearly broke.While I sympathize with him I cannot condone his actions, endangering the
lives of office workers.
 

VanIsle

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VI, I don't think he thought through at all what he 'should' or 'should not' do. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that this was the only viable recourse left to him.... did you? 8O
I don't agree with him doing it at all. I just have to wonder why those of us who live in this country have to even consider such extremes. Look at Karrie's friend. They turn humans into jokes and they feel proud of their accomplishments. They do it all so they don't lose their job. I couldn't work their job. I'm sure that he thought and thought and in the end could see no other solution. That doesn't make it right but can anyone say what this man or anyone else feeling this kind of desperation can do? I have a friend who fought hard and WCB did everything they could to turn her down. Her doctor fought hard with her. She was lucky to have such a good man on her side. They put her on a full medical pension. She had to leave her job after surgery for Carpal Tunnel on both hands. To this day there is little she can do but it took her at least a couple of years of fighting. When she turns 65 and is eligible for OAS they will take away her WCB pension. Her pension has been small but she has managed. I hate the life she has had to live.
 

VanIsle

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Not take hostages? Not hold innocent people at gun point and make their families fear for their lives?

There are enough 'watch dog' organizations that surely one ought to be able to hunt down some help when WCB turns on you, no?
Who? Not even my union can do anything nor will they. As I stated earlier, I'm okay. I can still work my job and I only lost a couple of months pay. I only intend to stay in my job for a few more months anyway. I was not even beginning to feel the kind of desperation this man felt. Of course it was wrong to take hostages and it was wrong to go there with a gun. That said - where does one go? EI benefits are paid to you for 6 weeks on sick leave. I am not the major bread winner in my family. So again - not a big effect on me but I have to wonder where I would have gone or what I would have done when they say no and there is no other source of funding. I talked earlier about my friend. She has been on the WCB payroll for well over 10 years. Today - they probably wouldn't give her a dime.
 

VanIsle

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Well, it's an insurance company. And a FORCED insurance at that. It's hard not to feel pissed if you don't get the support and payout that you want. But, at the same time, it's hard not to feel jaded when you realize that a LOT of why they are so heartless and harsh, is because of the past abuses by people. It's a vicious cycle of abuse.
Yes but why should those of us with proof positive have our own doctors word dismissed so their doctor, who has never met us, can read our medical files and turn us down? There are cheats in all walks of life but no reason why the rest of us should have to pay because of them. This isn't house insurance that is going up because some dope threw a cigarette out a car window causing a major forest fire. This is a person's livelihood - their life.
 

pgs

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wcb is a joke .
and like any other government beauracracy it is there for the sole purpose of feeding itself.
And of course in the process it must grow .
BTW did anyone notice the mass of humanity streaming out of the wcb building.
What 90 ,95 % women. whats with that?
I thought we had affirmative action?
 

damngrumpy

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No I am not saying its alright to do something like this. It is also true that the whole WCB program is a scam, to make it look like workers are being treated
fairly when they are not, Desperate people with nothing to lose do desperate
things and this is an example of someone reaching their breaking point in a
system that is neither just nor fair.
 

Cliffy

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No I am not saying its alright to do something like this. It is also true that the whole WCB program is a scam, to make it look like workers are being treated
fairly when they are not, Desperate people with nothing to lose do desperate
things and this is an example of someone reaching their breaking point in a
system that is neither just nor fair.

I agree. Sane people don't do this sort of thing but people pushed over the edge do sometimes. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. When I worked for the department of highways, a guy went over the edge in Prince George. He stormed the EI office with a baseball bat and trashed the place while employees jumped out of windows.

I quit working for the government after 7 months because the people I worked with who dealt with the public went out of their way to make people's lives living hells. Power corrupts and these bureaucrats were just plain nasty to people.

A logger came in one day and asked when a grader was going to straighten up the Nazko road. He had been pounding his truck up there for months and no grader had smoothed it out since spring. He wa told that one might be sent up there in a couple of weeks. The guy reached across the counter and grabbed the employee by the throat and hauled him up onto the counter and screamed that a grader had better be on its way right now.

The employee managed to put in a phone call while still in this irate loggers grip and had the grader dispatch immediately. When the employee returned to our end of the office, I just looked at him and said, "you deserved that."
 

kryptic

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Maybe not for you :)

I just put myself in his shoes... perhaps he doesn't have a house anymore, can't work cuz hurt, can't find another different (easier?) job cuz of the economy... hell jail is looking better then the street for the winter.

These are not that sort of desperate times. There is no excuse for this sort of action.
 

Cliffy

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Maybe not for you :)

I just put myself in his shoes... perhaps he doesn't have a house anymore, can't work cuz hurt, can't find another different (easier?) job cuz of the economy... hell jail is looking better then the street for the winter.
I've known a couple of guys who used jail as a free winter resort. One fellow used to go into all the stores on the main drag in Quesnel and steal stuff, fill a shopping cart and then push it back and forth in front of the cop shop during the first snow fall every year and shout, "Hey, its cold out here. Let me in." One year they tried to ignore him so he threw a rock through the window.
 

kryptic

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Crazy reality we live in... I had to chuckle at the rock through the window tho... the things u have to do to get to jail eh?

I've known a couple of guys who used jail as a free winter resort. One fellow used to go into all the stores on the main drag in Quesnel and steal stuff, fill a shopping cart and then push it back and forth in front of the cop shop during the first snow fall every year and shout, "Hey, its cold out here. Let me in." One year they tried to ignore him so he threw a rock through the window.
 

earth_as_one

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If he's well enough to carry a rifle and take hostages, he's obviously fit for work. Claim denied...

Seriously, I`ve never heard anything positive about the WCB and I hope I never find myself in a situation where I`m at their mercy. I completely disgree with this person`s actions, but the current system is neither fair, nor just.

Interview of Hostage Taker's neighbor:

..."Pat's a really good guy, he means well, but he just can't hold his temper, especially if he's been drinking," Bellerose says. "For the last week and a half or so, he's been so angry with the WCB. He's had a tough time, but I can't help but think he's causing his own grief."

Bellerose said he and Pat, whose last name he didn't know, have both been tenants in the assisted-living complex for people with disabilities for several years, but they live on different floors and have only gotten to know one another in recent months.

Pat also complained of an ugly custody battle with his ex-wife, Bellerose said, "and you know how bitter and twisted that stuff can make you."

He says Pat once threatened to throw himself off the High Level Bridge.

It's an all-too-familiar story for Rick Bremont, vice-president of Alberta Injured Workers Society.

"Thankfully, it rarely reaches the point where someone does something like this," he says. "But I have to say, when I was going through it, I got so angry at times that the thought crossed my mind."...

Neighbour says gunman angry with system - Crime - Canoe.ca