Landlord said she needed the apartment, then it popped up for rent on Kijiji

Tecumsehsbones

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If my sister was the landlord, i would have advised her to serve the eviction notice 2 years ago. $700 would help make the children's orthodentic work.

The renters would have been long gone and there would be no fraud or breach of contract.
Good answer. When you don't have an answer (or simply don't want to admit that you're perfectly happy with fraud and breach of contract as long as it serves the Holy Grail of maximum profit) go back and say "My solution for this problem is you shouldn't have gotten into this problem in the first place." This allows you to maintain your lofty moral superiority whilst dodging the question before you.

In answer to your question, there is more to a society than than squeezing every penny you can out of whatever you've got. And there is more power than just money. The same "socialist" laws that protect tenants in Toronto also largely saved Canada from the Great Recession. The power of money, the power of the law, and the power of government all work back and forth: cooperating, competing, pushing this way and that, swinging the pendula too far, and then swinging them back. Because adults with the brains of a house plant understand that there is no perfect solution, the interests and the background shift constantly, and everybody's out for their own good.

I understand that you're an extreme propertarian, and that Upton Sinclair's The Jungle is your desideratum. But spare us your innocent, outraged questions about "How could we have become so degenerate that any factor other than maximization of profit is allowed in the discussion?" Only your fellow extremists and the staggeringly stupid are buying it.
 

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...'cuz I'm dealing with a slumlord - a drunk who loves to use threats of eviction if you don't cave in to crazy demands for more beer money ... and he sounds like you. So far, the attitudes are exactly the same. Has less to do with investment than asshole.


...and for the record, he's scared of me because he somehow got the idea I'm a lawyer. Seriously ... If I was a lawyer, does he really think I'd be living in a lunch box in a third rate trailer park that hasn't been maintained in 40 years? Lawyer, my ass.... I'm just wise enough to want to know what laws I'm breaking

I'm sorry for your problems but I can't relate because my experience was different. I always paid my rent in full and on time. Hence, ive had zero problems with my landlords. No threats. Most of them, i never spoke to several months at a time.
 

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I'm sorry for your problems but I can't relate because my experience was different. I always paid my rent in full and on time. Hence, ive had zero problems with my landlords. No threats. Most of them, i never spoke to several months at a time.

See? There you go rubbing more of your shit into the mix. My rent is always paid in full and on time. You have experience ... only at being an internet bigmouth. Reality would earn you a fat lip
 

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See? There you go rubbing more of your shit into the mix. My rent is always paid in full and on time. You have experience ... only at being an internet bigmouth. Reality would earn you a fat lip
Holy ****. You really think every comment is a personal dig at yoy. You need to calm dowm.

Seriously. Ive always had an unspoken agreement with my landlord. I pay them their money and we leave each other the hell alone.

Good answer. When you don't have an answer (or simply don't want to admit that you're perfectly happy with fraud and breach of contract as long as it serves the Holy Grail of maximum profit) go back and say "My solution for this problem is you shouldn't have gotten into this problem in the first place." This allows you to maintain your lofty moral superiority whilst dodging the question before you.

In answer to your question, there is more to a society than than squeezing every penny you can out of whatever you've got. And there is more power than just money. The same "socialist" laws that protect tenants in Toronto also largely saved Canada from the Great Recession. The power of money, the power of the law, and the power of government all work back and forth: cooperating, competing, pushing this way and that, swinging the pendula too far, and then swinging them back. Because adults with the brains of a house plant understand that there is no perfect solution, the interests and the background shift constantly, and everybody's out for their own good.

I understand that you're an extreme propertarian, and that Upton Sinclair's The Jungle is your desideratum. But spare us your innocent, outraged questions about "How could we have become so degenerate that any factor other than maximization of profit is allowed in the discussion?" Only your fellow extremists and the staggeringly stupid are buying it.

Im not against socialist policies, but i think this case stinks of self entitlism. If I owned a rental property, it would be purchased from my sweat and blood. I work hard for my money too. If i rented it at market value, the extra $700 would be more apropriately spent on my family than kicked back to a "video game designer". Im sure he is a nice guy, but he is wrong to think that the only way he can live the dream is to force his open hand onto others.
 

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Holy ****. You really think every comment is a personal dig at yoy. You need to calm dowm.

Seriously. Ive always had an unspoken agreement with my landlord. I pay them their money and we leave each other the hell alone.

Seriously, you give yourself far too much credit in the psychic department. I'm just returning the dongivvashit you display all too well in your arrogance. You gotta be a Trumpette
 

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Seriously, you give yourself far too much credit in the psychic department. I'm just returning the dongivvashit you display all too well in your arrogance. You gotta be a Trumpette

Fill yer boots. I dont object to your wwe speaches. They are entertaining.
But i hope you dont get your feelings hurt if i choose to focus on your on-topic comments.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Holy ****. You really think every comment is a personal dig at yoy. You need to calm dowm.

Seriously. Ive always had an unspoken agreement with my landlord. I pay them their money and we leave each other the hell alone.



Im not against socialist policies, but i think this case stinks of self entitlism. If I owned a rental property, it would be purchased from my sweat and blood. I work hard for my money too. If i rented it at market value, the extra $700 would be more apropriately spent on my family than kicked back to a "video game designer". Im sure he is a nice guy, but he is wrong to think that the only way he can live the dream is to force his open hand onto others.
I'm glad you agree with what I said. All of it.

And by the way, your "Im not against socialist policies, but. . ." was really funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

Hope your sweat ain't too bloody. If it is, you should get that looked at.
 

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I'm glad you agree with what I said. All of it.

And by the way, your "Im not against socialist policies, but. . ." was really funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

Hope your sweat ain't too bloody. If it is, you should get that looked at.

I didn't agree with everything you said.

When the great depression ended in the late 1930s. there was no rent control laws in Ontario.

And, did you know that the rent control provisions of the Residential Tenancies Act, 2006 do not apply to buildings newer than November 1, 1991?

It would appear that these controls don't protect you from the large corporations that you hate so much. yet, they seem to protect the large corporations from independent investors.

We sometimes talk about democratizing a business sector by creating new technologies that allow the small guy to do what has been traditionally a corporate domain. for example, powerful design software and 3d rapid prototyping technologies make it possible for an independant person to develop a product - sometimes faster than the corporate world - and bring it to market.

I just don't see you guys in favor of democratizing the rental sector. Until the policies that you hold so dear are either reformed or repealed, the small independant investor is not operating under the same set of rules as the large corporations.
 

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I didn't agree with everything you said.

When the great depression ended in the late 1930s. there was no rent control laws in Ontario.

And, did you know that the rent control provisions of the Residential Tenancies Act, 2006 do not apply to buildings newer than November 1, 1991?

It would appear that these controls don't protect you from the large corporations that you hate so much. yet, they seem to protect the large corporations from independent investors.
And how is that inconsistent with what I said about the push-and-pull of interests in making the laws?

We sometimes talk about democratizing a business sector by creating new technologies that allow the small guy to do what has been traditionally a corporate domain. for example, powerful design software and 3d rapid prototyping technologies make it possible for an independant person to develop a product - sometimes faster than the corporate world - and bring it to market.
Yep, talk's cheap, alright.

I just don't see you guys in favor of democratizing the rental sector. Until the policies that you hold so dear are either reformed or repealed, the small independant investor is not operating under the same set of rules as the large corporations.
Which "you guys" are you fantasizing that I belong to? And what policies do you fantsize I hold dear?
 

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For starters, you didn't say that.do you need me to quote you from a post that most everyone can see simply by scrolling up?

you talked about how the rent control laws saved canada from the great depression.

why did you lie?
No, I didn't. I said that economic regulation saved Canada from the Great Recession. For the slower students, that means that the rent-control laws and the banking laws are all economic regulation. Sorry you missed it first time. Failure to comprehend on your part is not lying on my part.

lies are even cheaper
That would explain why you use them so often.



feeling a need to disassociate yourself from this thread?
You can lead a student to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
 

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No, I didn't. I said that economic regulation saved Canada from the Great Recession. For the slower students, that means that the rent-control laws and the banking laws are all economic regulation. Sorry you missed it first time. Failure to comprehend on your part is not lying on my part..

you actually said this:

The same "socialist" laws that protect tenants in Toronto also largely saved Canada from the Great Recession.

and it is completely false.

Why did you lie?
 

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I think maybe you are so ignorant of what you said, you don't understand why I am saying it is false and you are lying.

you said:
The same "socialist" laws that protect tenants in Toronto also largely saved Canada from the Great Recession.

Rent regulation was first introduced in Ontario under the National Housing Act 1944.

tbones.....that was a half decade after the last years of the Great Depression.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I think maybe you are so ignorant of what you said, you don't understand why I am saying it is false and you are lying.
Just tripped yourself up there, son. If a body says something false through not understanding, that ain't lying.

you said:

Rent regulation was first introduced in Ontario under the National Housing Act 1944.

tbones.....that was a half decade after the last years of the Great Depression.
Specifically, I said "the Great Recession," meaning the 2008 recession.

Before you make yourself look like an even bigger fool, better go back and check. Not that I expect y'all to admit you f*cked up or anything, mind.
 

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Precisely. The "'socialist' laws," meaning economic regulation.

so not even for one moment did you mean "socialist" laws, ie rent regulation?

not even when you wrote "...The same "socialist" laws that protect tenants in Toronto...". ?

that would be ridiculous, right? especially on a thread about rent regulation!

LOL now you are making me laugh.
 

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so not even for one moment did you mean "socialist" laws, ie rent regulation?
Rent regulation, banking regulation, securities regulation, anti-trust regulation, all part of what you extremist propertarians call "socialism."

not even when you wrote "...The same "socialist" laws that protect tenants in Toronto...". ?
Yep, same group of laws, i.e., economic regulation.

that would be ridiculous, right? especially on a thread about rent regulation!

LOL now you are making me laugh.
Figured out the difference between "Recession" and "Depression" yet?
 

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Just tripped yourself up there, son. If a body says something false through not understanding, that ain't lying..

that is true. you didn't lie until you claimed that you said something different than you actually said. you could have just corrected yourself but the way you did it made you a liar.


Specifically, I said "the Great Recession," meaning the 2008 recession.

Before you make yourself look like an even bigger fool, better go back and check. Not that I expect y'all to admit you f*cked up or anything, mind.

LOL now that is funny too. I'll just fess up and say yes i did in fact mix that up.

this changes everything.

how do you figure that rent controls in toronto saved canada from the great recession of 2008? do you care to explain that?

Rent regulation, banking regulation, securities regulation, anti-trust regulation, all part of what you extremist propertarians call "socialism."


Yep, same group of laws, i.e., economic regulation.


Figured out the difference between "Recession" and "Depression" yet?

i did. get over it.

figured out the difference between economics and rent regulations?
 

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Clearly the law feels entitled to restrict rent increases to a growth rate that is potentially slower than the actual growth in market value. The same law feels no responsibility to reimburse the landlord for their losses. Truly a douche bag thing to do to a citizen than provides shelter for another.
For all of you that are echoing this legal douchebaggery, you are not on higher moral ground. A fair law would exist to protect the tenant from unfair prices. Market value is not unfair...unless you are a self entitled twat
Talk about a self-entitled twat. You think it's kosher to illegally evict someone just to increase the rent by 50%. As for your idiotic bleating about fair market value, FMV is based on what a renter is willing to pay, not some arbitrary amount a landlord decides he wants while you still occupy the rental unit.
You whine about the law feeling entitled to restrict rent increases to potentially slow growth rate blah blah blah whatever. And then you think the govt should compensate landlords for their losses? I'm sorry, but I didn't realize there was a law in Canada that stated the govt had to make sure landlords maximized their profits. Investments are a risk.

A fair law would exist to protect the tenant from unfair prices.
It already does. It protects the tenant from having douchebag landlords who try to jack up a tenant's rent by 50% in one shot. Like the douchebag landlord in this story.
 

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Talk about a self-entitled twat. You think it's kosher to illegally evict someone just to increase the rent by 50%. As for your idiotic bleating about fair market value, FMV is based on what a renter is willing to pay, not some arbitrary amount a landlord decides he wants while you still occupy the rental unit.
I don't think you and James have any fundamental disagreement about FMV. Obviously, if nobody's willing to pay the rent, the landlord either drops it or makes nothing.

You whine about the law feeling entitled to restrict rent increases to potentially slow growth rate blah blah blah whatever. And then you think the govt should compensate landlords for their losses? I'm sorry, but I didn't realize there was a law in Canada that stated the govt had to make sure landlords maximized their profits. Investments are a risk.
And legal requirements and restrictions are part of the risk calculation.

The one thing James won't admit is that he's perfectly comfortable with landlords breaching contracts and breaking the law, all in service of his Ayn Randian vision of the world.

It already does. It protects the tenant from having douchebag landlords who try to jack up a tenant's rent by 50% in one shot. Like the douchebag landlord in this story.
All part of the charming give-and-take of governance. Which the entrenched extremists will never admit, because they got Da Troof, and they's Raht, gol-dang it!