Landlord said she needed the apartment, then it popped up for rent on Kijiji

B00Mer

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The Process Act

The purposes of this Act are to provide protection for residential tenants from unlawful rent increases and unlawful evictions, to establish a framework for the regulation of residential rents, to balance the rights and responsibilities of residential landlords and tenants and to provide for the adjudication of disputes and for other processes to informally resolve disputes. 2006, c. 17, s. 1.​

Residential Tenancies Act follows

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/s..._OF_TENURE_AND_TERMINATION_OF_TENANCIES_68707
 

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Slumlord is a word you've introduced. If you re-read the article, the couple doesn't consider the house a slum. Just you.

They actually want to stay, so your labelling the house a slum is irrelevant.

The real issue is they dont want to pay market value, and if the landlord plays ball, the landlord will take a loss that no one instends to compensate him for.
No, the fair market value is $1400. Obviously that was the agreed upon rent when they moved in. If the landlord undercut themselves, tough sh*t. If the landlord recently purchased the unit from a previous owner with the tenants still in it, then he/she obviously accepted the current rental rates.
The simple fact is, what the landlord did is illegal. Period. The ONLY reason in Ontario you can evict someone without "just cause" is if the landlord or their immediate family (ie: parents or adult offspring usually) wants to live in that unit. Or you decide to turn the place into condos.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Douche move on the part of the landlord. I use to manage rental property in Ontario and it's hard under the worst of circumstances to evict people, but kicking them out because you want to jack the rent up by 33% is not kosher. Lying to get them to move out is an attempt to skirt the rental board regulations.
 

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Douche move on the part of the landlord. I use to manage rental property in Ontario and it's hard under the worst of circumstances to evict people, but kicking them out because you want to jack the rent up by 33% is not kosher. Lying to get them to move out is an attempt to skirt the rental board regulations.

 

JamesBondo

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Clearly the law feels entitled to restrict rent increases to a growth rate that is potentially slower than the actual growth in market value. The same law feels no responsibility to reimburse the landlord for their losses. Truly a douche bag thing to do to a citizen than provides shelter for another.
For all of you that are echoing this legal douchebaggery, you are not on higher moral ground. A fair law would exist to protect the tenant from unfair prices. Market value is not unfair...unless you are a self entitled twat
 

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I agree with Retired Can Soldier - she purchased the property knowing what the current tenants were paying. Obviously, it was a good deal otherwise, why would she purchase it to begin with? If the rents were too low, and the ROI wasn't positive, why would she have made the purchase to begin with? She's just being greedy and yes, trying to "get around" provincial laws. It the Province allows a % increase on a yearly basis, then she can raise the rent accordingly.


Insofar as landlords and tenants, there has to be protection for both and, if Alberta is any indication, it's rather difficult to evict someone without having to go through a heck of a lot of red tape.


On the other hand, landlords also get stuck with the bill of cleaning up after people to "vacate" in the middle of the night leaving their crap behind and rent owing so it does go both ways.


It's not an easy business and I know I certainly wouldn't want to be a landlord. We did consider it for a minute at one point, but decided it would be too much of a hassle in the end. Too many horror stories and, there are those who take no responsibility for looking after where they live because "it's not theirs" so who cares right?


If these people are good tenants, why would she want to get rid of them? I'd want to keep them so it sounds to me that she's simply being greedy.


JMHO
 

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It's not an easy business and I know I certainly wouldn't want to be a landlord. We did consider it for a minute at one point, but decided it would be too much of a hassle in the end. Too many horror stories and, there are those who take no responsibility for looking after where they live because "it's not theirs" so who cares right?

You just described my city :lol:
 

lone wolf

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Slumlord is a word you've introduced. If you re-read the article, the couple doesn't consider the house a slum. Just you.

They actually want to stay, so your labelling the house a slum is irrelevant.

The real issue is they dont want to pay market value, and if the landlord plays ball, the landlord will take a loss that no one instends to compensate him for.

Why don't YOU try reading? Did I say anything at all about the house? Of course not. I even said I know nothing about the place. Fish tale's your drama. I referred to the slumlord. Breathe through you mouth much?

The real issue is they contracted to pay one amount then someone who weighs heavier on lord than land (ONE hallmark of slumlords everywhere) decided he/she could bully and buffalo his/her way into getting more for the residence - ANOTHER slumlord trait.
 

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Why don't YOU try reading? Did I say anything at all about the house? Of course not. I even said I know nothing about the place. Fish tale's your drama. I referred to the slumlord. Breathe through you mouth much?

The real issue is they contracted to pay one amount then someone who weighs heavier on lord than land (ONE hallmark of slumlords everywhere) decided he/she could bully and buffalo his/her way into getting more for the residence - ANOTHER slumlord trait.

A slumlord but no slum? Thank you for clearing that up for us.LOL

I agree with Retired Can Soldier - she purchased the property knowing what the current tenants were paying

Wouldnt you advise a property owner to periodically review the details of their investment? Surely, every investor should do this, not just greedy capitalists.
 

JamesBondo

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Do you not understand that what this landlord did was fraud..
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Oh i understood that before this thread was created.

If you want to debate the legality of this case you are going to have to look for someone other than myself.

What i wanted to explore from the begining was how a persons values can get so screwed up that they feel no remorse for a law that entitles a renter to force a landlord to take a loss compared to market value.

Clearly, there is no shortage of that sentiment in this thread.

But you are correct. The law is on your side.

It's okay.... You can be right ... no matter how wrong you are. I mean ... it's just so difficult for an idiot to admit it's possible he's not perfect. Mmmkay skookums? All fix.... *pats his pouty pointy little bondo bucket*

What is your story? Why are you so emotional on this topic that you are not happy with simply sharing your point of view? Why has this become a me vs you debate?
 

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A slumlord but no slum? Thank you for clearing that up for us.LOL



Wouldnt you advise a property owner to periodically review the details of their investment? Surely, every investor should do this, not just greedy capitalists.



Absolutely - what anyone should do on a regular basis if they value what they own. The rent can be adjusted each year and the tenant has a choice to either pay or find somewhere else to live. So your point?
 

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What i wanted to explore from the begining was how a persons values can get so screwed up that they feel no remorse for a law that entitles a renter to force a landlord to take a loss compared to market value.
Probably the same way people's values get so screwed up that they feel no remorse about committing fraud and breach of contract for a few bucks.
 

JamesBondo

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Probably the same way people's values get so screwed up that they feel no remorse about committing fraud and breach of contract for a few bucks.

If you consider $700 per month to be "a few bucks", do you care to donate a few bucks to my son's scout troop?
 

lone wolf

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What is your story? Why are you so emotional on this topic that you are not happy with simply sharing your point of view? Why has this become a me vs you debate?

...'cuz I'm dealing with a slumlord - a drunk who loves to use threats of eviction if you don't cave in to crazy demands for more beer money ... and he sounds like you. So far, the attitudes are exactly the same. Has less to do with investment than asshole.


...and for the record, he's scared of me because he somehow got the idea I'm a lawyer. Seriously ... If I was a lawyer, does he really think I'd be living in a lunch box in a third rate trailer park that hasn't been maintained in 40 years? Lawyer, my ass.... I'm just wise enough to want to know what laws I'm breaking
 

JamesBondo

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If you consider fraud and breach of contract to be proper actions, would you care for a job in the Trump organization?
If my sister was the landlord, i would have advised her to serve the eviction notice 2 years ago. $700 would help make the children's orthodentic work.

The renters would have been long gone and there would be no fraud or breach of contract.