Lance Armstrong is so well mannered,polite and well spoken..how in heck can he be a Texan? :lol:
LANCE ARMSTRONG!
- Thread starter Haggis McBagpipe
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http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,PB64-SUQ9MTA3NDAmbnI9MQ_3_3,00.html
some great photos of the Champ....
some great photos of the Champ....
Australian scientist says Lance tests would be valid
Armstrong hits back over drug claims
Of course he would deny it, they all do. It does seem "amazing" how he could win 7 straight years. Bt I guess we will never know for sure.........
Armstrong hits back over drug claims
Of course he would deny it, they all do. It does seem "amazing" how he could win 7 straight years. Bt I guess we will never know for sure.........
Hurray for Ben Johnston, fastest man alive. The guy they gave his gold metal to was also on performance enhancing drugs, but he was American so results were not disclosed. Kind of like mad cow disease in America "shoot it - shovel it and shut up". Lance comes from a culture that 'must win' at any cost. Despite everything, Lance turned in a fine performance.
missile said:
I would like to beliecve that myself but it always seems new steriods and new ways to hide them are one step ahead of ways to test for them.
I would like to believe he never used them but it looks mighty suspicious. Maybe he did not know? I dunno. But the evidence is there...............
I wuldn't doubt that most of the other racers were using some sort of enhancers,too.It's not as if Lance wasn't used to taking drugs either-used enough of them in his battle with cancer.
I look at the kind of man who would even attempt the Tour so soon after a life-threatening fight with cancer. That kind of person does not need performance-enhancing drugs. That kind of person wins because they have what it takes.
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That and winning 7 in a row by a fair bit do make it suspicious.
L'Equipe, the leading sports daily newspaper in France, published a report Tuesday that said six different urine samples Armstrong provided during the 1999 Tour tested positive for the performance-enhancing drug EPO when examined in 2004 by a French lab fine-tuning EPO testing. The lab tested all the B samples from the 1999 Tour. EPO, which builds endurance, was a banned substance in 1999 but there was no approved test for it.
Of the 12 samples that returned as positive, six came from Armstrong, the story said.
What separates the most-recent charges is the journalistic credibility of L'Equipe, owned by the Amaury Sports Organisation, which also owns the Tour de France.
USA Today
Whether its true (and no reason to believe its not) or not it casts a shadow on him.
Drug users are always a step ahead of testing capabilities.
Haggis McBagpipe said:
That and winning 7 in a row by a fair bit do make it suspicious.
L'Equipe, the leading sports daily newspaper in France, published a report Tuesday that said six different urine samples Armstrong provided during the 1999 Tour tested positive for the performance-enhancing drug EPO when examined in 2004 by a French lab fine-tuning EPO testing. The lab tested all the B samples from the 1999 Tour. EPO, which builds endurance, was a banned substance in 1999 but there was no approved test for it.
Of the 12 samples that returned as positive, six came from Armstrong, the story said.
What separates the most-recent charges is the journalistic credibility of L'Equipe, owned by the Amaury Sports Organisation, which also owns the Tour de France.
USA Today
Whether its true (and no reason to believe its not) or not it casts a shadow on him.
Drug users are always a step ahead of testing capabilities.
Haggis, that remark about character is the finest in this thread.
By the way read about what happened in last year's race. He won the admiration of all the other competitors.
Lance comes from Austin, a town known for Bats, Jazz, bikes, a capital city that had a cable channel devoted to jazz, CITY LIMITS.
The bats provide a show every dusk.
By the way read about what happened in last year's race. He won the admiration of all the other competitors.
Lance comes from Austin, a town known for Bats, Jazz, bikes, a capital city that had a cable channel devoted to jazz, CITY LIMITS.
The bats provide a show every dusk.
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Only to those who do not understand that humans really are capable of achieving seemingly impossible goals. There will always be ordinary people who seek proof that people like Armstrong are also just ordinary. Makes it easier to live with being ordinary, I think.
Armstrong has been a target of such rumours for some time now. It drives people nuts that anybody could do what Armstrong managed to do. It especially irks many people that Armstrong is American. It riles them, makes 'em restless and out-of-sorts.
Armstrong's subsequent wins (which are accepted as having been won without drugs) simply prove the obvious: he did not use performance-enhancing drugs in that first race because he did not need them.
no1important said:
Only to those who do not understand that humans really are capable of achieving seemingly impossible goals. There will always be ordinary people who seek proof that people like Armstrong are also just ordinary. Makes it easier to live with being ordinary, I think.
Armstrong has been a target of such rumours for some time now. It drives people nuts that anybody could do what Armstrong managed to do. It especially irks many people that Armstrong is American. It riles them, makes 'em restless and out-of-sorts.
Armstrong's subsequent wins (which are accepted as having been won without drugs) simply prove the obvious: he did not use performance-enhancing drugs in that first race because he did not need them.
The interesting thing about all this is, the lab itself supposedly has no way to connect the sample to a particular name. So, if htis is true, there had to be a bunch of cooperation for someone to find out that this sample was his, and then test it, etc etc.
Interesting, but then again, the French media hate Americans at least as much as the Americans hate the French, so it wouldn't be a huge surprize.
Interesting, but then again, the French media hate Americans at least as much as the Americans hate the French, so it wouldn't be a huge surprize.
The only thing the media and public enjoy more than celebrating a hero is bringing down that hero.
Amen Haggis again.
You know how they say every problem looks like a nail if the tool you use is a hammer ?
Well we got a similar thing going on here in cyber pontification.
The tool here is criticism and analysis and argument, and so something good or heroic gets the treatment of the hammer --- all of which is rationalized away in some self-assuring manner.
You know how they say every problem looks like a nail if the tool you use is a hammer ?
Well we got a similar thing going on here in cyber pontification.
The tool here is criticism and analysis and argument, and so something good or heroic gets the treatment of the hammer --- all of which is rationalized away in some self-assuring manner.
The French have always had a problem with anybody dominating the Tour as Armstrong has done. I think what bothered many was the way he planned his whole year around that one race. The 'real' greats, like Hinault, Merckx or Anquitil won everything. Having said that, the current, rather lame attempts to detract from Armstrong's extraordinary achievements do smack of sour grapes.
I thought it was a bit rich of American sports channel ESPN, though, to ask what was going to become of the Tour de France without Lance Armstrong!
I thought it was a bit rich of American sports channel ESPN, though, to ask what was going to become of the Tour de France without Lance Armstrong!
I am not a sports fan in any way -- until Olympics come around or on those rare occasions when women's hockey is televised -- but what I have seen of France and its athletes definitely makes me think "sour grapes". They are arrogant and whiney in the sports arena and this latest attack is really no suprise.
What would surprise me is if Armstrong did use drugs. I've taken the time to actually read some stuff about him, to watch him on TV and he is a man of strength, character and humility. Some people, when they cannot match that moral high ground themselves, instead choose to try to tear anyone down who is superior. I suspect that is what's happening here.
No matter what, the man DID win 7 races. It's official. He faced cancer down and came back to ride this most recent race. Anyone who has ever experienced ill health knows how difficult that is. I have nothing but admiration for Lance Armstrong. Even if he hadn't won, my respect would not be diminished. Just participating impressed me.
The smear campaign only confirms my opinion that France as a nation falls into the category of "poor sportsmen". I admire Armstrong and even if the guy had mainlined performance drugs to get through this last race, I would still look at him with respectful eyes. He is a shining example of determination and an inspiration to me personally.
What would surprise me is if Armstrong did use drugs. I've taken the time to actually read some stuff about him, to watch him on TV and he is a man of strength, character and humility. Some people, when they cannot match that moral high ground themselves, instead choose to try to tear anyone down who is superior. I suspect that is what's happening here.
No matter what, the man DID win 7 races. It's official. He faced cancer down and came back to ride this most recent race. Anyone who has ever experienced ill health knows how difficult that is. I have nothing but admiration for Lance Armstrong. Even if he hadn't won, my respect would not be diminished. Just participating impressed me.
The smear campaign only confirms my opinion that France as a nation falls into the category of "poor sportsmen". I admire Armstrong and even if the guy had mainlined performance drugs to get through this last race, I would still look at him with respectful eyes. He is a shining example of determination and an inspiration to me personally.
Agree, 100%. Armstrong is a great inspiration to me as well.
Excellent point about the French attitude with the Tour. There's a lot of anger there. They consider it a real slap in the face that an American won it at all, I think, and to have won it seven times in a row was, I guess, like seven really hard slaps. No doubt thoughts of retaliation were brewing between each of the slaps.
Excellent point about the French attitude with the Tour. There's a lot of anger there. They consider it a real slap in the face that an American won it at all, I think, and to have won it seven times in a row was, I guess, like seven really hard slaps. No doubt thoughts of retaliation were brewing between each of the slaps.
I think the fact that Armstrong is American isn't all that relevant - Greg LeMond was, and is, well liked in France. The real reason they don't like Armstrong is that he's considered a "business-cyclist" who made it his business to win the biggest race of the year.
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Anybody who doesn't make it their business to win that race ain't gonna win it.
Hard-Luck Henry said:
Anybody who doesn't make it their business to win that race ain't gonna win it.