L.Libby Charged , Has resigned

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Yeah, I think we are going to see the pack turning on it's weakened leaders in order to veneer personal advantage. Such is the way the neocons think/ And for once that will be useful to the general public. Neocons are cowardly as soon as they think they are in danger of being in trouble they will squeal on anybody else they can in order to attempt to dodge the blame.

See the neocons. See the neocons squeal. Squeal, Neocons, squeal like the pigs you are.
 

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Rumsfeld lie 8O Ya gots to be kidding that fecking demon would never tell a lie :p

he is a model of virtue , ain't he?? *sarcasm* :roll:

just like the rest of that inner circle.

Hoping that this is just the beginning. .....and as there were so many lies and liers....... it could unravel this web of deceit.
 

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Andygal said:
Yeah, I think we are going to see the pack turning on it's weakened leaders in order to veneer personal advantage. Such is the way the neocons think/ And for once that will be useful to the general public. Neocons are cowardly as soon as they think they are in danger of being in trouble they will squeal on anybody else they can in order to attempt to dodge the blame.


true.........and this is what I am counting on.. :wink:
 

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Not just neocons Andygal all fecking politicians are fecking rats do anything to get off that sinking ship :x There total scum thats why there politicians :wink:
 

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Not just neocons Andygal all fecking politicians are fecking rats do anything to get off that sinking ship :x There total scum thats why there politicians :wink:


well...........some are a little less scummy. :wink:

but when the rats lie to kill... ...... that is scum at its worst.
 

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Not just neocons Andygal all fecking politicians are fecking rats do anything to get off that sinking ship Mad There total scum thats why there politicians Wink

True, but the neocons are the lowest of the low. And it's not just the politicians among the neocons that are fecking rats. It's the whole fecking lot of them right down to the fecking rednecks sitting in their dritholes in Texas.
 

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Yea name a few no such thing .The only one that ever seemed not to be a scum to me was Cadman other than that name one. A big time politician that wasn't a lying scumbag :wink: :p
 

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A big time politician that wasn't a lying scumbag

;-) that seems to be the basic "requirement" for the job.. :wink:


ever see a truthful, honest , hardworking , sincere person enter politics??? :wink:
 

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Yeah, Chuck Cadman was a great man and an asset to this country. He will be sorely missed. He was one of the few decent politicans and he actually did his job by listening to his constiutants. Unlike most of them who only listen to their own greed.
 

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Yeah THAT!

Some people were pissed when Cadman voted (reluctantly) to defeat the Non-confidence motion). But he CLEARLY SAID, time and time again, that he was going to make up his mind based on what his Constituents told him (What a friggin' CONCEPT!)

I miss that guy, and not because we shared the same hair-style, though he had a couple inches on MY pony-tail.
 

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A Formidable Hawk Goes Down

by Jim Lobe
Losing I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, perhaps the most influential national security official without a formal cabinet rank, marks a serious blow to the George W. Bush administration and particularly to the hawks who led the drive to war in Iraq.

Like his boss Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, Libby, who was indicted Friday for perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements in connection with leaking the identity of a covert officer of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), has been by all accounts a formidable bureaucratic operator who used the Sep. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to push U.S. foreign policy hard in a unilateralist, if not neo-imperial, direction.

That skill, coupled with the enormous size of Cheney's national security staff, and the vice president's unprecedented influence on foreign policy-making, led one former National Security Council aide to observe to IPS in late 2003 that Libby "is able to run circles around Condi," a reference to Bush's own national security adviser at the time and the present secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice.

Libby's ties to Cheney go back to when the vice president served as defense secretary during the administration of President George H.W. Bush. A constant companion of Cheney and a frequent guest at Cheney's Rocky Mountain retreat, their closeness raises the question of whether Libby, in exposing Valerie Plame's identity, was acting at his boss's behest – a question that remains unanswered by Friday's indictment.

With a family and a maximum 30-year possible prison sentence hanging over his head, a major question is whether Libby might yet implicate Cheney in any plea bargain.

A protégé of former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who was his teacher at Yale University in the 1970s and then hired him onto the policy-planning staff of the State Department under former President Ronald Reagan, Libby, a well-heeled Washington attorney by profession, served Cheney as both chief of staff and his principal national security adviser. He was also linked directly to Bush as an "Assistant to the President."

His next stint in government came during Cheney's tenure at the Pentagon, when Wolfowitz, then undersecretary of defense for policy, recruited him for top Pentagon posts under Bush I, the last as Wolfowitz's principal deputy.

After the first Gulf War, Cheney tasked Wolfowitz and Libby with developing the Defense Planning Guidance (DPG), a document designed to map out global U.S. strategy over a five- to 10-year period. When a draft of the document was leaked to the New York Times, its ambition and grandiosity so embarrassed the Bush administration that the two were almost fired from their posts.

The draft called for a world order based on U.S. military power rather than collective security mechanisms like the United Nations. It called for the U.S. to prevent the emergence of any possible global or even regional rival either through co-optation or confrontation, and defined the U.S. objective in the Middle East as "remain(ing) the predominant outside power in the region."

It also called for preemptive or even preventive military action against rogue states seeking nuclear weapons and the development of new nuclear weapons, and the use of "ad hoc assemblies," rather than alliances, such as NATO, in taking military action. It predicted that U.S. military intervention in maintaining order around the world would become a "constant fixture" of the new order.

While rejected by the realists who dominated the Bush I administration, this vision of a unipolar, U.S.-dominated world was explicitly endorsed in 1997 in the founding charter of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which was signed by 25 prominent hawks who would go on to take top positions under Bush II, including Cheney himself, Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, neoconservative majordomo Richard Perle, as well as Libby himself.

At the time, Libby was back in private law practice representing, among others, Marc Rich, the fugitive Swiss-Israeli businessman and financier, whose renunciation of his U.S. citizenship and receipt of an eleventh-hour pardon by Bill Clinton in 2001 caused a major storm in Congress.

Many of the middlemen who profited from oil sales by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein during the Oil-for-Food program were closely tied to Rich, according to a recent investigation by Business Week magazine.

In the late 1990s, Libby also served as general counsel to the so-called Cox Committee, a Congressional inquiry into alleged military and nuclear espionage conducted by China against the United States.

Its final report in 1999, which, among other conclusions, found that Beijing's military spending was twice as much as CIA estimates, was widely denounced by experts as filled with speculation, unproven assumptions and outright errors apparently designed to promote both new military spending by the U.S. and a more confrontational policy toward China.

Libby returned to public life when Cheney appointed him to head his staff in that same year, and, by all accounts, played critical roles not only in ensuring that the DPG's main points were incorporated into the National Security Strategy of the United States in December 2002, but also in the march to war against Iraq.

In particular, Libby reportedly played a critical role in circumventing the formal intelligence review process that is designed to ensure that intelligence reports are carefully screened and vetted by professional analysts in the CIA, the State Department, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and elsewhere before they make their way to policy-makers in the White House.

Thus, when the Pentagon established at least two offices to gather and review "raw intelligence" regarding Iraq's alleged ties to al-Qaeda and its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs, their findings were reported directly to Libby, according to at least one first-hand observer, ret. Lt. Col Karen Kwiatkowski, who would presumably pass them along to Cheney and the White House.

Libby and Cheney, who both were known to be contemptuous of the CIA in part because it had failed to uncover Iraq's nuclear program before the 1991 Gulf War, also made frequent visits to CIA headquarters to quiz officers about specific intelligence reports and press them to follow up.

A number of veteran intelligence officers have claimed that this kind of pressure, as well as the informal flow of reports from the Pentagon to the White House, essentially "corrupted" the process.

Indeed, Cheney was the first senior official to claim that Iraq had indeed reactivated its nuclear weapons program – in a series of television appearances in March 2002, a full year before the U.S. invasion. The CIA and other intelligence agencies were much more circumspect about the question at the time.

Libby also prepared a draft of then-Secretary of State Colin Powell's Feb. 7, 2003 presentation to the U.N. Security Council on Iraq's alleged WMD programs.

"This is bullshit," Powell reportedly shouted in anger and frustration while throwing the draft papers up in the air after reviewing it with CIA and State Department analysts on the eve of his U.N. appearance.

The night that Baghdad fell to U.S. forces two months later, Libby celebrated with a quiet, intimate dinner at the vice president's residence with the Cheneys, Wolfowitz, and Defense Policy Board member and war booster, Ken Adelman, and his wife, Carol, according to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward.

Asked by Lynne Cheney what he thought of the war's outcome, Libby quietly said, "Wonderful."


........this qualifies as a good news day.. :wink:
 

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Iraq war is the real “underlying crime” in the Libby indictment
Bill Van Auken, WSWS



October 29, 2005



The indictment in the CIA leak investigation of Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, has deepened the political crisis of the Bush administration, while further exposing the methods of criminality and conspiracy that extend from the White House on down.

Libby was charged Friday with obstruction of justice, perjury and making false statements, felony offenses that together are punishable by up to 30 years in prison. After being told of the charges, he resigned from the government.

Justice Department Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald made it clear that the investigation into the deliberate leaking of the identity of CIA covert operative Valerie Plame Wilson had not concluded. President Bush’s chief political adviser, Karl Rove, remains a subject of this probe, having for the moment avoided an indictment. Rove’s lawyer said prosecutors told him they had "made no decision about whether or not to bring charges."

The exposure of the CIA agent was part of a "dirty tricks" campaign aimed at discrediting and punishing her husband, Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who had publicly exposed the administration for lying to the American public about the supposed threat posed by Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction." These non-existent weapons were the principal pretext given by Washington for launching an unprovoked war against Iraq in March 2003.

The CIA had sent Joseph Wilson to Niger in 2002 to investigate claims that Iraq was attempting to buy uranium from the African country to further Saddam Hussein’s alleged efforts to obtain nuclear weapons. Wilson found that the allegations were false and reported this back to Washington. Nonetheless, Bush repeated the allegation in his 2003 State of the Union address as part of a concerted effort to terrorize the American people into accepting a war.

Following the US invasion and the failure of American forces to find a shred of evidence of Iraqi WMD, Wilson began speaking to the media about his findings and the government’s lies. In July of 2003, he wrote an opinion column in the New York Times publicly exposing the administration’s deceit.

Unable to answer Wilson, the administration opted for the methods of political thuggery, exposing his wife’s CIA status to the media as a form of retaliation and floating the claim that she had organized his trip to Niger, with the implication that it was somehow tainted by nepotism.

The basis of the charges against Libby is that he lied to both FBI agents and the federal grand jury empanelled in the leak investigation about how he himself learned that Valerie Wilson was a CIA operative and what he told several reporters about her status.

The vice presidential aide claimed that he had learned about her employment at the spy agency from reporters calling him for confirmation, and that he had only told other members of the press that he had heard about the CIA status of Valerie Wilson from reporters.

The investigation, however, disclosed that Libby had first learned about Valerie Wilson’s CIA status from Cheney himself, and had subsequently discussed it with five other government officials, including CIA officers, an under-secretary of state, and White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer. It also established that Libby had told reporters, including Judith Miller of the New York Times and Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, not that he had heard she was CIA from other journalists, but that he knew it to be true.

What the indictment against Libby makes clear is that he was merely one of the participants in a smear campaign against Wilson involving a number of officials, and which, by all indications, was directed by Cheney and the Bush White House. His lying to the grand jury was designed to protect Bush, Cheney and others involved in this conspiracy.

Much has been made, particularly by the administration’s supporters, of the fact that Libby was not charged with the so-called underlying crime, that is, violation of a 1982 federal statute that bars the deliberate exposure of covert CIA agents.

Even on this rather narrow question, the indictment and Fitzgerald’s statements explaining it make clear that prosecutors believed Libby’s lies had obscured whether or not the statute was violated, and therefore constituted just as serious a crime.

More importantly, the real "underlying crime" is not the exposure of Valerie Plame Wilson as a CIA agent. This act was carried out only to further and defend the far greater crime of dragging the American people into a war of aggression on the basis of lies.

At his press conference Friday, Fitzgerald brushed aside a question as to whether the indictment vindicated charges that the Iraq war had been launched on false premises. "This indictment is not about the war," he said. "This indictment’s not about the propriety of the war. And people who believe fervently in the war effort, people who oppose it, people who have mixed feelings about it should not look to this indictment for any resolution..."

For the most part, the mass media has embraced this exceedingly narrow and legalistic interpretation of the crisis arising from the Libby indictment. Television commentators have focused their attention on how well the Bush administration is handling the political fallout, while speculating whether the case will ensnare others, like Rove.

What is obvious, however, is that Libby’s lies to the grand jury and the FBI were the inevitable byproduct of the far more momentous lies concocted by the Bush administration in making its case for a war against Iraq. These included the now discredited claims about WMD, the charge that some link existed between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, and the baseless suggestion that Iraq had something to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks.

The smear against the Wilsons was a continuation of a conspiracy to drag the American people into war, involving top officials within the US government—Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld.

Libby, though not in the public eye, was a prominent member of this conspiracy. In 1992, in the first Bush administration, he was, together with Paul Wolfowitz, the author of a Defense Department document advocating the use of "preemptive" war against countries seeking to obtain weapons capabilities and those "aspiring to a larger regional or global role" in conflict with US domination. As a member of the Project for a New American Century, he was one of those advocating a war against Iraq long before the Bush administration seized upon the September 11 attacks as a pretext.

Within the administration, Libby played a pivotal role in organizing a parallel intelligence operation based in the Pentagon and the vice president’s office and tasked with manufacturing phony evidence that Iraq represented a military threat to the US.

The indictment against this prominent senior official is not, as Fitzgerald claimed Friday, an indication that the US is a "country that takes its law seriously." If this were the case, the legally binding treaties that bar wars of aggression and torture would have brought Bush, Cheney and the entire administration into the defendant’s dock long ago.

Rather, it is a manifestation of a bitter conflict within the state itself. The tensions over intelligence that arose in the run-up to the war between the Pentagon and the White House, on the one hand, and the State Department and the CIA, on the other, have now given rise to recriminations over the political and military disaster that US imperialism is confronting in Iraq.

This has found expression in recent weeks in the statement of former State Department Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson—undoubtedly reflecting the views of ex-Secretary of State Colin Powell—denouncing "a cabal between the vice president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld" operating outside of normal government channels and controls. Also weighing in with open criticism in the New Yorker magazine of the administration’s decision to go to war is Brent Scowcroft, the former national security advisor and close political confidante of Bush senior.

Within this context, the indictment and the threats to prosecute other officials, including possibly Cheney himself, could be utilized as part of an effort to bring about a certain course correction and effect personnel changes in the Bush administration. The aim would be to avoid a military, diplomatic and political disaster in Iraq, and repair what many within the political and military establishment consider to be serious damage to the long-term interests of US imperialism.

There is already widespread speculation that "outsiders" may be recruited to try and rescue Bush’s second-term administration. One year after being elected for the first time with a majority vote, the administration is visibly floundering in the wake of its catastrophic response to Hurricane Katrina and the debacle of the Harriet Miers Supreme Court nomination, and in the face of massive popular opposition to the continuing war in Iraq.

Among those mentioned as potential "new blood" are Joshua Bolten, the director of the Office of Management and Budget and former Goldman Sachs executive, as well as the current and former Republican National Committee chairmen, Ken Mehlman and Ed Gillespie.

Meanwhile, the real "underlying crime" continues in the carnage that the US invasion and occupation have produced in Iraq. This crime—which has cost the lives of over 100,000 Iraqi civilians and more than 2,000 American soldiers—cannot be punished, much less resolved, through the work of special counsels or the prosecution of one or another of the conspirators who launched a war based upon lies.

This criminal war is itself a manifestation of the profound decay of American democracy. All of the institutions of American society are implicated in this crime. This includes the Congress, which voted for the war and has refused to seriously investigate the lies used to promote it; the Democratic Party, which has covered for the crimes of the Bush administration while backing the war; the media, which regurgitated the lies about Iraqi WMD; the courts, which have upheld Bush’s abuses of power; and the corporate elite, which has engaged in war profiteering.

The response of the Democrats to the Libby indictment was both revealing and predictable. Prominent party leaders used it once again to attack Bush from the right, seizing on the leaking of the CIA agent’s identity as evidence that the administration is weak on national security.

Typical was the comment of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat, New York), who said that the indictment of Libby "raises serious national security concerns." She added, "Taking such action for political purposes is simply reprehensible and should never be tolerated."

The Democratic National Committee issued a statement attacking Bush for "his failure to put forth a clear plan for victory in Iraq," and warning that the administration "is clearly bogged down in a scandal that is distracting it from attending to the nation’s business."

The crime underlying the Libby indictment and the entire CIA leak affair is the one that was prosecuted at Nuremberg nearly 60 years ago—the plotting and waging of a war of aggression. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others in the top echelons of the White House and the Pentagon should be brought to justice for this fundamental war crime, as well as the multiple crimes and horrors that have flowed from it.

This will not happen either through special counsels, the courts or Congressional impeachment. It requires the emergence of a mass independent political movement of the working class, mobilized on a socialist program and directed against the American plutocracy in whose interests this war is being waged.


this would be a more accurate assessment ........(IMHO) These first charges are but a superficial layer of the real issue.----but it is a start.
 

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and then there is:

Missing from all the Libby talk is the P word; PNAC or Project for a New American Century. This organization is so powerful and so influential that it has managed to frighten every single member of the media into pretending that it does not exist. It has become the Area 51 of politics where the media and all officials of out government do not acknowledge its existence.

Why is everyone so scared to mention this organization? The members of this organization run our foreign policy and control George W. Bush virtually the same way that Ed Harris’ character controlled Jim Carey’s character in the movie ”The Truman Show!” They control and manipulate Bush’s reality to ensure that he makes the decisions and forms the opinions that they want him to make. Their members dominate the senior positions in the White House and their chairman mocks the public by presenting himself as a journalist without ever letting people know is involvement with the Bush/PNAC administration.

It appears that it is now more taboo to mention PNAC than it is to criticize Israel (or report on their atrocities.) Why is this organization, which has hijacked out nation, kept out view by our media? A more important question to ask however is why they are never discussed. Maybe 9/11 has something to do with that! Think about it! –
 

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October 28, 2005

The War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal statute set forth at 18 U.S.C. § 2441, makes it a federal crime for any U.S. national, whether military or civilian, to violate the Geneva Convention by engaging in murder, torture, or inhuman treatment.

The statute applies not only to those who carry out the acts, but also to those who ORDER IT, know about it, or fail to take steps to stop it. The statute applies to everyone, no matter how high and mighty.

18 U.S.C. § 2441 has no statute of limitations, which means that a war crimes complaint can be filed at any time.

The penalty may be life imprisonment or -- if a single prisoner dies due to torture -- death. Given that there are numerous, documented cases of prisoners being tortured to death by U.S. soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan, that means that the death penalty would be appropriate for anyone found guilty of carrying out, ordering, or sanctioning such conduct.

Here's where it gets interesting. The general in charge of the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq stated this week that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and other top administration officials ORDERED that inhuman treatment and torture be conducted as part of a deliberate strategy.

It has also recently come out that, even after the torture at Abu Ghraib hit the news, torture still continues at that prison and, indeed, the U.S. is still torturing people worldwide. Even to the casual observer, it is obvious that the administration has no plans to stop, but has instead been working tirelessly to make it easier to carry out torture in the future.

Let's recap. We now know that torture in Iraq was ordered by top officials, and that torture is continuing, notwithstanding the administration's claims that it was only "a couple of bad apples" that were responsible for Abu Ghraib. Making a potential prosecutor's job easier, U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales wrote a memo in January 2002 to President Bush saying that America should opt out of the Geneva Convention because top officials have to worry about prosecutions under 18 U.S.C. § 2441. By attempting to sidestep the Geneva Convention, Gonzales created a document trail that can be used to prove that top administration officials knowingly created a policy of torturing prisoners, and that such a policy could reasonably have been expected to result in the death of some prisoners.

The U.S. did opt out of the Geneva Convention for the Afghanistan war, but we never opted out of the Geneva Convention for Iraq. Indeed, President Bush has repeatedly stated that Geneva applies in Iraq (although he has since claimed that foreign fighters captured in Iraq are not covered). Thus, there would be very little room for fancy footwork by defense lawyers in a prosecution against top officials concerning torture in Iraq.

The Abu Ghraib general's recent statements about torture coming from the top is an important piece of evidence for convicting Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and a host of other top administration officials for violation of the War Crimes Act of 1996. Upon conviction, they could be sentenced to life in prison, or even death.

Additionally, violation of the war crimes act almost certainly constitutes a "high crime or misdemeanor" which would allow impeachment of such officials.


do "we" dare hope????
 

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RE: L.Libby Charged , Ha

We do dare to hope. As real Americans are beginning to come to their senses, the crimes of the Bush regime are beginning to close in on them.

Funny how the radical right on this board never seems to comment on any of this, isn't it? Guess it hasn't made the latest talking points memos.
 

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caption this ;-)
 

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First thing that would need to happen though is that the ICJ would have to define enemy combatants within the scope of the Geneva Convention...then let all hell break loose baby...

The US needs to learn that just because they say enemy combatants are not covered by the Geneva Convention doesn't necessarily make it so...