Kyoto Protocol
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A very good editorial.
Eyes wide shut on global warming
A teaser:
Our chances of ensuring a more sustainable world would be better if we had not allowed ourselves to be blinded for the past decade by the combination of the public-relations stunt known as the Kyoto Treaty and the idiocy-as-usual known as the Bush administration. [/teaser]
A very good editorial.
Eyes wide shut on global warming
A teaser:
Our chances of ensuring a more sustainable world would be better if we had not allowed ourselves to be blinded for the past decade by the combination of the public-relations stunt known as the Kyoto Treaty and the idiocy-as-usual known as the Bush administration. [/teaser]
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Perhaps Kyoto is Japanese for hypocrisy
It's been a strange week.
I've been wondering why the global warming conference in Montreal is getting relatively little attention.
Probably because of the cold weather.
It's odd for another reason. Ten thousand people have come to Montreal, ten thousand. For a conference on reducing energy consumption. Now, ten thousand is a large number, elephantine, in fact. I don't suppose many delegates walked. As conferences go, this one is a real Leviathan.
Just think of the Montreal summit's ecological footprint. Is there really a need to fly ten thousand people from 189 countries to a cold city to exchange ideas? Is there no e-mail? Are the phone lines down? Does no one own a Blackberry? More of Rexy's Rant
Perhaps Kyoto is Japanese for hypocrisy
I've been wondering why the global warming conference in Montreal is getting relatively little attention.
Probably because of the cold weather.
It's odd for another reason. Ten thousand people have come to Montreal, ten thousand. For a conference on reducing energy consumption. Now, ten thousand is a large number, elephantine, in fact. I don't suppose many delegates walked. As conferences go, this one is a real Leviathan.
Just think of the Montreal summit's ecological footprint. Is there really a need to fly ten thousand people from 189 countries to a cold city to exchange ideas? Is there no e-mail? Are the phone lines down? Does no one own a Blackberry? More of Rexy's Rant
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Also out of curiousity...is Rex becoming more annoying and searching for even bigger words now that he gets ridiculed for it more now? I always liked Rex, even though I rarely agreed with him, because of his command of the language and his sarcasm but now he's just annoying.
To answer your question, Juan, we have little reason to believe that the US has achieved what is claims to have achieved. Part of their claims may be based on the mess that Bush has made of the US economy though, so there may be some basis in truth.
A lot of Bush's plans haven't yet come to fruition and his mishandling of the economy has discouraged consumption. The coal-burning power plants aren't all on-line yet. Fuel prices shooting up discouraged people from driving their SUVs as much. Factories closing down and moving off-shore took their pollution with them. A lack of money because of Bush's incompetence kept the thermostats set to a more reasonable degree in the monster houses, and fewer people were able to afford to heat their swimming pools.
Also out of curiousity...is Rex becoming more annoying and searching for even bigger words now that he gets ridiculed for it more now? I always liked Rex, even though I rarely agreed with him, because of his command of the language and his sarcasm but now he's just annoying.
To answer your question, Juan, we have little reason to believe that the US has achieved what is claims to have achieved. Part of their claims may be based on the mess that Bush has made of the US economy though, so there may be some basis in truth.
A lot of Bush's plans haven't yet come to fruition and his mishandling of the economy has discouraged consumption. The coal-burning power plants aren't all on-line yet. Fuel prices shooting up discouraged people from driving their SUVs as much. Factories closing down and moving off-shore took their pollution with them. A lack of money because of Bush's incompetence kept the thermostats set to a more reasonable degree in the monster houses, and fewer people were able to afford to heat their swimming pools.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1208-03.htm
how the US plotted to stop the Kyoto deal. :evil: :x
have received this item from various (reliable) sources now
(no surprise) :x
excerpt from article...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1208-03.htm
how the US plotted to stop the Kyoto deal. :evil: :x
have received this item from various (reliable) sources now
(no surprise) :x
excerpt from article...
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I'm amazed at how much Martin and the Liberals have screwed up the Kyoto file. This should be an easy one - win win win. A few regulatory changes, tweak taxation here and there and step back and let consumer choice and the private sector take over. Instead we spend tens of millions on advertising the voluntary "One Tonne Challenge". What a farce. In this huge country of ours we have so much potential with geothermal, hydrogen, solar & other sources of energy but due to a lack of vision or political motivation we fall further and further behind.... and future generations suffer.
I'm amazed at how much Martin and the Liberals have screwed up the Kyoto file. This should be an easy one - win win win. A few regulatory changes, tweak taxation here and there and step back and let consumer choice and the private sector take over. Instead we spend tens of millions on advertising the voluntary "One Tonne Challenge". What a farce. In this huge country of ours we have so much potential with geothermal, hydrogen, solar & other sources of energy but due to a lack of vision or political motivation we fall further and further behind.... and future generations suffer.
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I saw that in the link, Juan. But look at the scale - it is a meaningless decrease: 0.86 to 0.79??? What about our promise under Kyoto? What about Canada being "the conscience of the world" when it comes to Kyoto. The truth is we are wasting an enormous opportunity to be at the forefront of a 'green revolution' that will be an economic boon for this country and help get us on a path to sustainable living, with a real future for our children.
To listen when Martin actually has the balls to pat ourselves on the back makes me sick. We are almost the worst country in the world for pollution, greenhouse gas emissions etc...etc....
I saw that in the link, Juan. But look at the scale - it is a meaningless decrease: 0.86 to 0.79??? What about our promise under Kyoto? What about Canada being "the conscience of the world" when it comes to Kyoto. The truth is we are wasting an enormous opportunity to be at the forefront of a 'green revolution' that will be an economic boon for this country and help get us on a path to sustainable living, with a real future for our children.
To listen when Martin actually has the balls to pat ourselves on the back makes me sick. We are almost the worst country in the world for pollution, greenhouse gas emissions etc...etc....
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Kyoto accord won't hurt economies: Clinton
A teaser:
As the U.S. continues to resist committing to an agreement to combat climate change, its former president Bill Clinton is taking his pro-Kyoto message to the world stage -- raising the ire of American officials.
Clinton spoke Friday, the final day of the Nov. 28-Dec. 9 UN summit on climate change in Montreal. He was invited to the event by the Sierra Club of Canada.
And while many are welcoming him, U.S. delegates attending the conference team are not.
"They haven't protested formally, but they're annoyed," a source in the Canadian government told The Associated Press. "They're not infuriated, but they're not thrilled."
"There's no longer any serious doubt that climate change is real, accelerating and caused by human activities. We are uncertain about how deep and time of arrival of the consequences, but we are quite clear that they will not be good," said Clinton.
He put down the main U.S. fear about Kyoto -- that it would hurt the economy by chaining it to greenhouse gas reductions that were not achievable.
That claim, he said, "was flat wrong."
[/end teaser]
Boo hoo if US delegates do not like it. Clinton sure is a hell of a lot more intelligant than the Bush Crime Family running things in Washington DC.......
Kyoto accord won't hurt economies: Clinton
A teaser:
As the U.S. continues to resist committing to an agreement to combat climate change, its former president Bill Clinton is taking his pro-Kyoto message to the world stage -- raising the ire of American officials.
Clinton spoke Friday, the final day of the Nov. 28-Dec. 9 UN summit on climate change in Montreal. He was invited to the event by the Sierra Club of Canada.
And while many are welcoming him, U.S. delegates attending the conference team are not.
"They haven't protested formally, but they're annoyed," a source in the Canadian government told The Associated Press. "They're not infuriated, but they're not thrilled."
"There's no longer any serious doubt that climate change is real, accelerating and caused by human activities. We are uncertain about how deep and time of arrival of the consequences, but we are quite clear that they will not be good," said Clinton.
He put down the main U.S. fear about Kyoto -- that it would hurt the economy by chaining it to greenhouse gas reductions that were not achievable.
That claim, he said, "was flat wrong."
[/end teaser]
Boo hoo if US delegates do not like it. Clinton sure is a hell of a lot more intelligant than the Bush Crime Family running things in Washington DC.......
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Bravo Clinton. !! So now both Martin and Clinton have dissed the current US cabal off. Well. well. seems like the bushites aka Liars Inc. are becoming the minority (squeaky , whiney ,pissy ) as they are.
It is actually funny to see them bushites huff/puff and carry on like society ladies who's girdles are too tight. :wink:
Bravo Clinton. !! So now both Martin and Clinton have dissed the current US cabal off. Well. well. seems like the bushites aka Liars Inc. are becoming the minority (squeaky , whiney ,pissy ) as they are.
It is actually funny to see them bushites huff/puff and carry on like society ladies who's girdles are too tight. :wink:
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Seattle sets own Kyoto goals for emissions
A teaser:
As international negotiators in Montreal excoriated Americans for failing to reduce emissions of planet-warming gases, Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels assured them Thursday that Seattle and nearly 200 other U.S. cities will get their part done.
His trip came as a group of business and environmental leaders in Seattle prepares to recommend to Nickels how Seattleites can change their thinking -- and their ways of getting around -- over the next seven years in order to make the 2012 deadline.
The effort could involve more-expensive parking rates or other "price signals" to get people out of their cars, city officials say, although recommendations are still evolving.
In a tandem effort, Nickels is recruiting mayors around the country to commit to meeting greenhouse gas-reduction targets specified in the international climate-change treaty known as the Kyoto Protocol. [/end teaser]
Good for them. It seems like Kyoto has support (200 city's) so I do not understand why the US Federal government will not support it.
Seattle sets own Kyoto goals for emissions
A teaser:
As international negotiators in Montreal excoriated Americans for failing to reduce emissions of planet-warming gases, Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels assured them Thursday that Seattle and nearly 200 other U.S. cities will get their part done.
His trip came as a group of business and environmental leaders in Seattle prepares to recommend to Nickels how Seattleites can change their thinking -- and their ways of getting around -- over the next seven years in order to make the 2012 deadline.
The effort could involve more-expensive parking rates or other "price signals" to get people out of their cars, city officials say, although recommendations are still evolving.
In a tandem effort, Nickels is recruiting mayors around the country to commit to meeting greenhouse gas-reduction targets specified in the international climate-change treaty known as the Kyoto Protocol. [/end teaser]
Good for them. It seems like Kyoto has support (200 city's) so I do not understand why the US Federal government will not support it.
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Good for Seattle !! and the others that are on board.
That might be the approach to take.....ignore the Feds.....and do what one thinks is best...on the local level.
Good for Seattle !! and the others that are on board.
That might be the approach to take.....ignore the Feds.....and do what one thinks is best...on the local level.
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Are you drawing your comparison from developed nations? Even then, I would beg to differ.
MMMike said:
Are you drawing your comparison from developed nations? Even then, I would beg to differ.
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We are among the worst per capita, Said. The traditional excuses are that we need to compete with the US on trade and that it's cold here.
The Liberal plans are just beginning to have a small effect and unless they get a lot more serious about the way they do things we won't meet our targets.
The Liberals are heads and shoulders above the Conservatives though. The Conservative plan, like all of their other policies, is to do whatever the Bush regime tells them too. No word on what they'll do when Georgie is gone and the Democrats move back into the White House.
We are among the worst per capita, Said. The traditional excuses are that we need to compete with the US on trade and that it's cold here.
The Liberal plans are just beginning to have a small effect and unless they get a lot more serious about the way they do things we won't meet our targets.
The Liberals are heads and shoulders above the Conservatives though. The Conservative plan, like all of their other policies, is to do whatever the Bush regime tells them too. No word on what they'll do when Georgie is gone and the Democrats move back into the White House.
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Ok, per total population. I wasn't clear on where he was drawing his comparisons from.
Reverend Blair said:
Ok, per total population. I wasn't clear on where he was drawing his comparisons from.
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The general public of the plannet has been the victim of an energy scam that started some 50 years ago.
Nuclear Energy is and was always the cheapest and safest form of producing energy to do everything people ever needed but was undermined by world wide propaganda to curtail its development so that a few could rake in profits, justify wars, and rule populations, and maintain a fragmented caotic world order everywhere from creating an artificial dependance on fosil fuels that was for the most part avoidable at some point over the last 50 years.
Now we are pushing Nuclear Energy because we are nearing the end of the rope and it will take 50 years to build all the Nuclear Energy infrastructure we should have been building over the last 50 years to avoid all the world wide nonsense over oil.
The general public of the plannet has been the victim of an energy scam that started some 50 years ago.
Nuclear Energy is and was always the cheapest and safest form of producing energy to do everything people ever needed but was undermined by world wide propaganda to curtail its development so that a few could rake in profits, justify wars, and rule populations, and maintain a fragmented caotic world order everywhere from creating an artificial dependance on fosil fuels that was for the most part avoidable at some point over the last 50 years.
Now we are pushing Nuclear Energy because we are nearing the end of the rope and it will take 50 years to build all the Nuclear Energy infrastructure we should have been building over the last 50 years to avoid all the world wide nonsense over oil.
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As soon as you solve the problem of nuclear waste, let us know.
By the way, turning it into depleted uranium weapons to kill Iraqi children is not a solution.
As soon as you solve the problem of nuclear waste, let us know.
By the way, turning it into depleted uranium weapons to kill Iraqi children is not a solution.