Kids Starving In Iraq

[jimmoyer]

All true. Even most especially all the spent plutonium tipped armored bullet, missles, amunition.

Even the massive bombing of Dresden is true, and the mistakes at Omaha beach, the ineptitude of the Battle of Anzio of WWII are truly all abominations.

Abominations continue as the lack of guts and unity of the European community to watch genocide go on in its own backyard starting with Croatia and Slovenia in 1991, sitting and watching until Cowboy America came in 8 years later with 80 nights of bombing the capital of Serbia.

War is a horror in all of its details, and yet sometimes to do literally nothing is an equal horror that Europe is content to live in its own comfort zone.

Where is there unity and will to make something happen in Dafur?

If American leadership is rightfully and legitimately condemned for its blunt ineptitude, then who is stepping forward to take the mantle of leadership?

And it is a well known fact that if any group of countries step forward to fight evil, inevitably the irony of becoming evil insinuates itself.

If you fight someone you've become them for that moment.

All the ancient religions know this.

 

[jamie]

They won't even help their own vets

Neither of our countries really accomodated their vets appropriately. Check your history. :idea:

 

[mrmom2]

Ive never heard if vets in Canada dying of maggot death Jamie or DU

 

[jamie]

Well, if the U.S is lacking in providing properly for their vets, then what does that say about the Canadian vets who had to come to the States in order to get some sort of help? We both suck.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Canada doesn't DU, but it has had soldiers affected by Gulf War Syndrome and similarily sick people returning from the Balkans. Those instances have been tied, with increasing evidence and regularity, to exposure to depleted uranium.

Depleted uranium is a banned weapon, btw. The USA's continued use of it puts them in contravention of international law once again.

 

[mrmom2]

I'm sorry to say Rev that Canada does have DU weapons along with Britain and the US

 

[Reverend Blair]

Since when?

 

[mrmom2]

I will see if I can find the aticle I read and post it for you Rev but it said the three of us are the only countries to have DU.I was shocked too

 

[mrmom2]

We used to have some with the phalanx system aboard our ships during Gulf war 1 they have removed all of it now
http://www.forces.gc.ca/health/information/med_vaccs/engraph/DU_Backgrounder_e.asp
This site is a good one for the story on DU :wink:

 

[I think not]

I'm sorry to say Rev that Canada does have DU weapons along with Britain and the US

I think you may be mistaken mrmom, Canada doesn't posess DU weapons, they provide DU to weapons manufacturers.

 

[Reverend Blair]

We had some DU weapons (US supplied) up until the Gulf War, when they were still legal. They were never fired and are now being or have been replaced with tungsten-tipped weapons.

Our government denies supplying DU to weapons manufacturers, pointing to a non-weapons agreement with the US regarding uranium. The US does not keep track of what uranium in which stockpiles came from where though, so there is almost certainly Canadian material being used in US weapons.

 

[I think not]

I'm relatively certain I read an article about Canada providing DU, I could be wrong, but will search and keep you posted.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I agree that we provide it, I think not...it's just that our government officially denies it by hiding behind an agreement that has no meaning. I can likely dig up some links on that, there are several articles on the subject, but don't see much point since we more or less agree.

 

[mrmom2]

Heres a link saying Canada supplied the US with DU
http://www.peace.ca/depleteduranium.htm

 

[Reverend Blair]

There are better links out there, Mr. Mom...some that detail our involvement more. Like I said, we are basically hiding behind a meaningless agreement. We don't use DU weapons ourselves though.

 

[mrmom2]

we are basically hiding behind a meaningless agreement

So Ottawa the sneaky bunch .The average Canadian citizen dosn't know whats going on :x

 

[LadyC]

Rev....
We don't use DU weapons ourselves.. we just supply DU to those that do.

And that's okay?

You add the disclaimer that our DU weapons were US supplied, will you be writing about DU (Canadian supplied) weapons in the US?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Our government denies supplying DU to weapons manufacturers, pointing to a non-weapons agreement with the US regarding uranium. The US does not keep track of what uranium in which stockpiles came from where though, so there is almost certainly Canadian material being used in US weapons.

I agree that we provide it, I think not...it's just that our government officially denies it by hiding behind an agreement that has no meaning.

There are better links out there, Mr. Mom...some that detail our involvement more. Like I said, we are basically hiding behind a meaningless agreement.

Does that sound like I think it's okay?

You add the disclaimer that our DU weapons were US supplied, will you be writing about DU (Canadian supplied) weapons in the US?

I added the disclaimer because we didn't produce the weapons ourselves. I will not be writing about Canadian-supplied DU weapons because we don't supply them, we supply (while hiding behind that agreement) the DU.

I might write about that at some point, but not right away.

 

[LadyC]

The whole quote....

There are better links out there, Mr. Mom...some that detail our involvement more. Like I said, we are basically hiding behind a meaningless agreement. We don't use DU weapons ourselves though.

Why is it necessary to add that last bit?
And why did you leave it off in your above post?

If we're supplying the DU it makes no difference that we don't actually use the weapons.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I put it in because he said that were using DU weapons, Lady C.

I'm sorry to say Rev that Canada does have DU weapons along with Britain and the US

I didn't include it in my response to you because you were going after me for not being critical enough of Canada. I realize now that you are just trying your best to start any kind of scrap you can though.