:roll: Lets not show any emotion children are only starving in Iraq 8O What do you care its not affecting you right :?
Kids Starving In Iraq
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I don't buy for a minute that your care.
It is only a prop on the stage for you to use, linked to the only issue that catches your indignation.
You assume any one with a contrary view is not as informed or as well read as you.
It is only a prop on the stage for you to use, linked to the only issue that catches your indignation.
You assume any one with a contrary view is not as informed or as well read as you.
And I'm a leftist too ? :knob: Shows how much you know :roll: You might read some other post before you mouth off jerk 
Crit, they can only see our hypocrisy, not anyone else's.
Notice how little they discuss or read about anyone else's hypocrisy.
It's not as salient.
Notice how little they discuss or read about anyone else's hypocrisy.
It's not as salient.
But they have made the "personal attacks while avoiding the questions" into an art.
We can at least give them credit for that.
They have dug up over 300,000 dead bodies in Iraq and counting but put no blame on Saddam. Yet they talk about starving Iraqi children and put the blame squarely on the US.
What I do for living?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I guess that would matter to you critc, I suppose that is how you measure people. Rest assured I have worked all my life, I am self sufficent 8)
Again, andem made it clear in the marriage survivor thread that if you had nothing to add to the discussion than your trolling. Again its seems contrived...mmmmmmmmm
Yes we do blame the bush government for the straving childern in Iraq, we all actually look at the evidence, but than again some of us are not willing to climb into bed with anything for political reasons Like twila said, nice try.
Again, andem made it clear in the marriage survivor thread that if you had nothing to add to the discussion than your trolling. Again its seems contrived...mmmmmmmmm
Yes we do blame the bush government for the straving childern in Iraq, we all actually look at the evidence, but than again some of us are not willing to climb into bed with anything for political reasons
Like twila said, nice try.
Moral Superiority is a suspicious thing.
And those who think they have found it are as guilty of insulated thinking as those they accuse.
What if you and I were to switch roles with them?
You and I attack all that is bad with American sin and they attack with the same vigor all that is bad with themselves?
I'll start.
America made a lot of mistakes during the Cold War years, having adopted a Bismarck geopolitics strategy of saying anyone who is against our enemy is our friend.
It might make sense in the scary rarified world of the elites but there's consequences and so America finds itself pretty much alone.
So alone that we are indiscriminately accused by the righteous.
Pershaps more Americans know their own sin more accurately than any other nation's citizens, but we will have to figure out another way as we pay for the past present and future.
And now I will revert back to my original role.
And get back now to the core of this thread about starving Iraqi children.
The critics are right that the children are worse off now.
But is it not interesting that these critics live in other nations that refuse to risk capital or their sons and daughters to help those starving children in Iraq.
Again, the moral superiority of these critics is suspect since their own nations don't truly give a damnation about giving Iraq a new chance.
They'll point out how worse it is but will do nothing to help.
Nothing.
And they'll be happy to tell you why they should not have to do anything.
Watch.
And those who think they have found it are as guilty of insulated thinking as those they accuse.
What if you and I were to switch roles with them?
You and I attack all that is bad with American sin and they attack with the same vigor all that is bad with themselves?
I'll start.
America made a lot of mistakes during the Cold War years, having adopted a Bismarck geopolitics strategy of saying anyone who is against our enemy is our friend.
It might make sense in the scary rarified world of the elites but there's consequences and so America finds itself pretty much alone.
So alone that we are indiscriminately accused by the righteous.
Pershaps more Americans know their own sin more accurately than any other nation's citizens, but we will have to figure out another way as we pay for the past present and future.
And now I will revert back to my original role.
And get back now to the core of this thread about starving Iraqi children.
The critics are right that the children are worse off now.
But is it not interesting that these critics live in other nations that refuse to risk capital or their sons and daughters to help those starving children in Iraq.
Again, the moral superiority of these critics is suspect since their own nations don't truly give a damnation about giving Iraq a new chance.
They'll point out how worse it is but will do nothing to help.
Nothing.
And they'll be happy to tell you why they should not have to do anything.
Watch.
Actualy Pea.
Twila was referring to Jim.
Try to follow along and stop piling on.
Look whos trolling now?
Twila was referring to Jim.
Try to follow along and stop piling on.
Look whos trolling now?
If there is any doubt Bush was planning an invasion pre 9/11 you can go here: PNAC
Read it, don't dismiss it. There is alot of information on that site.
OK, I don't like Bush and his group of hawks. He lied about the WMD's, and even if he didn't lie and was lied to or "misinformed" even today he could handle things differently. OK, the US invaded Iraq, it's now a part of history.
I don't think anyone can deny Saddam was a threat to the Middle East and to the rest of the world. He proved that by invading Kuwait. I think the US causes animosity primarily because of our go it alone policy rather than the actual act. I didn't really hear much in 1991 when the UN authorized the use of force. We were all one big happy world back then. In all practical terms, he didn't pose any threat to anyone when he invaded Kuwait (other than Kuwait), but the world knew, he was trying to take over more oil. So it was "OK" what the world did, and when it was all over, we all patted ourselves on the back on a job well done.
I think Saddam is a ruthless dictator but more than that he was stupid. If he wanted to make a mockory of the US, all he had to do is stop the cat and mouse game with UN weapons inspectors and allow everybody just to parade anywhere they wanted to go, full access, yada yada yada.... Come on in everyone, I'll even help you dig! Why didn't he do that? I've always wondered.
The Coalition (Gulf War 1991)
The Allied coalition consisted of 34 countries, including Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Honduras, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, The Netherlands, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, South Korea, Spain, Syria, Turkey, The United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.
Read it, don't dismiss it. There is alot of information on that site.
OK, I don't like Bush and his group of hawks. He lied about the WMD's, and even if he didn't lie and was lied to or "misinformed" even today he could handle things differently. OK, the US invaded Iraq, it's now a part of history.
I don't think anyone can deny Saddam was a threat to the Middle East and to the rest of the world. He proved that by invading Kuwait. I think the US causes animosity primarily because of our go it alone policy rather than the actual act. I didn't really hear much in 1991 when the UN authorized the use of force. We were all one big happy world back then. In all practical terms, he didn't pose any threat to anyone when he invaded Kuwait (other than Kuwait), but the world knew, he was trying to take over more oil. So it was "OK" what the world did, and when it was all over, we all patted ourselves on the back on a job well done.
I think Saddam is a ruthless dictator but more than that he was stupid. If he wanted to make a mockory of the US, all he had to do is stop the cat and mouse game with UN weapons inspectors and allow everybody just to parade anywhere they wanted to go, full access, yada yada yada.... Come on in everyone, I'll even help you dig! Why didn't he do that? I've always wondered.
The Coalition (Gulf War 1991)
The Allied coalition consisted of 34 countries, including Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Honduras, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, The Netherlands, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, South Korea, Spain, Syria, Turkey, The United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.
Re: RE: Kids Starving In Iraq
Is this so difficult a concept for you...the US invaded Iraq illegally, which is why Canada did not get involved...but whether their unilateral action was legal or not is irrelevent to the fact that as the occupying force, they are now morally and legally responsible to rebuild what they have destroyed...by your own admission, the children of Iraq are worse off now than before your country invaded...so your country is legally bound to do something about that...
In simpler terms, they broke it, now they have to fix it...
jimmoyer said:
Is this so difficult a concept for you...the US invaded Iraq illegally, which is why Canada did not get involved...but whether their unilateral action was legal or not is irrelevent to the fact that as the occupying force, they are now morally and legally responsible to rebuild what they have destroyed...by your own admission, the children of Iraq are worse off now than before your country invaded...so your country is legally bound to do something about that...
In simpler terms, they broke it, now they have to fix it...
It is sort of dificult for countries like Canada to send food over (which I know we would, we rallied to help Tsunami victims and we would do the same for Iraqi people ) when the US is controlling and calling the shots over there.
The US should of stablized that country long ago as they are a so called super power, which would of and will make the delivery of food easier.
The US should of stablized that country long ago as they are a so called super power, which would of and will make the delivery of food easier.
Well I waited, and here are the arguments why the critics claim they cannot help the children of Iraq:
1. America broke it so they got to fix it.
2. It is hard to get help and aid to Iraq "when the US is controlling the shots over there."
Are there any more reasons why the world sits on its high and mighty perch criticizing and claiming it cares about Iraq why it finds perfectly rational reasons to do nothing?
I'm a little suspicious that the nations of the world or its citizens really care as much as they boast.
Don't give Iraq a chance.
Do nothing.
You all cared little about Iraq when Saddam was in power and still care little after he's gone.
What you do care about is the evil of America, which I actually agree with all of you about.
But the little children of Iraq?
Yeah.
Right.
1. America broke it so they got to fix it.
2. It is hard to get help and aid to Iraq "when the US is controlling the shots over there."
Are there any more reasons why the world sits on its high and mighty perch criticizing and claiming it cares about Iraq why it finds perfectly rational reasons to do nothing?
I'm a little suspicious that the nations of the world or its citizens really care as much as they boast.
Don't give Iraq a chance.
Do nothing.
You all cared little about Iraq when Saddam was in power and still care little after he's gone.
What you do care about is the evil of America, which I actually agree with all of you about.
But the little children of Iraq?
Yeah.
Right.
well they had food before the Illegal occupation.
The problem is the US has to do it (they need the self gratitude and always have to play or be looked upon as the hero or saviour). It is a sin in Americas eyes if someone else were to take credit or do something good. (Its a no no in Americas eyes to be shown up and the US government will not tolerate that)
America has the resources so why aren't they helping the people out instead of creating new generation of Anti-American people?
The problem is the US has to do it (they need the self gratitude and always have to play or be looked upon as the hero or saviour). It is a sin in Americas eyes if someone else were to take credit or do something good. (Its a no no in Americas eyes to be shown up and the US government will not tolerate that)
America has the resources so why aren't they helping the people out instead of creating new generation of Anti-American people?
Well Vancouver ubergod no1important, what you say is true.
But what is also true is that the world elects to do nothing but watch.
And critique.
Safe and comfortable.
But what is also true is that the world elects to do nothing but watch.
And critique.
Safe and comfortable.
Right now we are suppose to help you with your next vietnam, you start the wars, you never seem to win them tho. Lay your guilt trip on bush.
Re: RE: Kids Starving In Iraq
...why don't you make a list of all the things that your country is doing to help feed the starving children of Iraq...or yourself for that matter...how much have you donated to that worthy cause Jim?
jimmoyer said:
...why don't you make a list of all the things that your country is doing to help feed the starving children of Iraq...or yourself for that matter...how much have you donated to that worthy cause Jim?
Jim tell me is your country cleaning up their own weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?You've done a wonderful job of poisoning the people and the land with your nuclear waste. 8O