Khadr patriarch disliked Canada, says al-Qaeda biography

[Praxius]

I was 15 once apon a time too.... even then I had little option to choose from whcih my parents did not approve of. I am sure his parents were slightly more hardline then my own, so one has to considder the position he was in.

Do as your father tells you or get beaten to death as an infidel.

Overall, I personally don't believe he had much choice in what he ended up doing. Does that really matter? Probably not, who cares? *shrugs*

nonetheless, he was involved in a firefight as a foreign fighter in Afghanistan.....

So were the US troops.... *scratches head* lol

 

[Praxius]

This reminds me of the people who knew one of the 7/7 Suicide bombers, very friendly, helpful, considerate, loved by all his teamates when he played football, could hardly believe how he would blow up innocent people, but guess what ..... he did.

You can't un-condition a lifetime of conditioning, family expectations and sheer determination these Islamists have, least of all by art, it didn't stop Hitler after all!
I'm sorry but even taking out the harm they can cause via extremism, the whole relgion is primitive, just look at the fact the women can't even report rape without fear of honour killing or public execution.

So you just won't give them the chance is what you're saying?

I wouldn't call their society as primitive by any standards. You are making it sound like you're putting Extremists and Moderate Muslims all in the same basket.

It's this same mentality which fuels those extremists, as they too generalize us all based on our worst case examples and our own Christian Extremist groups we all have.

I'm pretty sure the KKK gives us a great image to them as well. What about those bible bangers who like to practically chase out homosexuals from their communities? We're still pretty rampant with racism, sexism, religous seperations, etc.... this is a case in point right here of these examples. We are not that far ahead of them by any means.

When it comes to the women and their rights, once again, that has been skewed between the Moderate and the Extremist views.

There's more to talk about, but I'm out for the day.

 

[Scott Free]

This reminds me of the people who knew one of the 7/7 Suicide bombers, very friendly, helpful, considerate, loved by all his teamates when he played football, could hardly believe how he would blow up innocent people, but guess what ..... he did.
You can't un-condition a lifetime of conditioning, family expectations and sheer determination these Islamists have, least of all by art, it didn't stop Hitler after all!
I'm sorry but even taking out the harm they can cause via extremism, the whole relgion is primitive, just look at the fact the women can't even report rape without fear of honour killing or public execution.

And that is the crux of it. Now they would use habeas corpus against us! then abolish it! and kill everyone that didn't worship their god! And we should feel sympathy? Compassion? Extend our liberties (created by us, for us) to them? Sheer lunacy!

Like I have said before, I don't care what people do in their own countries, but when our people go to other countries to join terrorists against us, then get captured by one of our allies, well... give me a break.

 

[CDNBear]

I am sorry that Omar was so young when this happened.....his upbringing and conditioning made his actions almost inevitable once he was caught in that situation...........nonetheless, he was involved in a firefight as a foreign fighter in Afghanistan.....

Mind you, I think charging him with murder......after his compatriots were all killed in an air-raid......is more than a little silly. And hypocritical.

Mind you, I would have had no problem with then turning him over to the Afghans, who would have been perfectly justified to slap him up against the nearest wall, and shoot him. He was, after all, a foreign national, representing no country, wearing no uniforn, engaged in acts of war in their country.

Personally, I think the entire Damn Khadr family should be arrested, tried for treason and sedition, found guilty, and hanged from lamp posts on Younge Street, their bodies left to rot as an example.

But I'm a sorta Medieval kinda guy.........

You know, fight fire with fire.

Seriously...what's not to like about you!!!???

 

[Colpy]

I was 15 once apon a time too.... even then I had little option to choose from whcih my parents did not approve of. I am sure his parents were slightly more hardline then my own, so one has to considder the position he was in.

Do as your father tells you or get beaten to death as an infidel.

Overall, I personally don't believe he had much choice in what he ended up doing. Does that really matter? Probably not, who cares? *shrugs*



So were the US troops.... *scratches head* lol

Absolutely true.....but American troops wear uniforms and represent their nation, they are therefore given some protection under international law.....not so those NOT in uniform, NOT in their own nation.......

I may be wrong in this............if someone can correct me, feel free to do so.

 

[I think not]

Colpy, you don't get it, he was a freedom fighter.

 

[ENGLISH_TITAN]

So you just won't give them the chance is what you're saying?

I wouldn't call their society as primitive by any standards. You are making it sound like you're putting Extremists and Moderate Muslims all in the same basket.

It's this same mentality which fuels those extremists, as they too generalize us all based on our worst case examples and our own Christian Extremist groups we all have.

I'm pretty sure the KKK gives us a great image to them as well. What about those bible bangers who like to practically chase out homosexuals from their communities? We're still pretty rampant with racism, sexism, religous seperations, etc.... this is a case in point right here of these examples. We are not that far ahead of them by any means.

When it comes to the women and their rights, once again, that has been skewed between the Moderate and the Extremist views.

There's more to talk about, but I'm out for the day.

the huge difference is, Christianity has progressed, and keeps progressing, if anything some of teh sociel decline is down to a lack of moral coding that the bible installs in the youth.
Islam on the other hand hasn't progressed, just look at the Iranian girl hung on their National TV, 17yrs old, her crime, being raped, if this were an isolated incident, like the KKK for example, then I wouldn't judge the whole faith, but when I see things like this, read the reports of what they do to women, teaching children to behead, suicide bomb, march through the streets demanding death to ''infidels'' or throughout the middle east cherring and celebrating because of 9/11 it really puts into perspective how barbaric they actually are.
Moderate muslims, is there really such a thing? like the Muslim Doctors who tried to bomb Glasgow airport? or the Moderate Muslim prof who was found to be telling speeches on how to offer as little to Britain and take as much to strain the economy as possible? A moderate muslim is really a term for ''a Muslim who isn't surrounded by other Muslims so watches what he says''

 

[CDNBear]

Absolutely true.....but American troops wear uniforms and represent their nation, they are therefore given some protection under international law.....not so those NOT in uniform, NOT in their own nation.......

I may be wrong in this............if someone can correct me, feel free to do so.

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[Colpy]

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Thanks Bear.....that makes it VERY clear, doesn't it?

Most of the guys that were taken in Afghanistan and sent to Gitmo should thank their lucky stars......

Better than the wall and a bullet......all perfectly legal........

 

[CDNBear]

Thanks Bear.....that makes it VERY clear, doesn't it?

Most of the guys that were taken in Afghanistan and sent to Gitmo should thank their lucky stars......

Better than the wall and a bullet......all perfectly legal........

Not a problem...

It is a huge grey area, that is a blackhole of conspiracy and innuendo. The powers that be have no idea how to deal with these people, the laws and provisions being thrown around by the bleeding hearts are antiquated and at best, vague.