Justin Trudeau says abortion rights trump MPs' freedom to vote their conscience
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Just because women can't control their bodies in every situation doesn't mean they don't have a right to. It seems like an odd argument to say that we have no rights because under certain circumstances we might not exercise them completely.
Yep, that was the stupidest thing I ever heard Dex say. It analogizes to "because trends in the economy will affect your money, you therefore can't completely control your money, and therefore you have no right to control it to the extent you can." A level of sophistry I'm sure Dex regrets.
There is no Right regardless of whether or not you could.
Decriminalization never made it a Right, it is simply no longer illegal to get an abortion for reasons of vanity.
There has always been legal exemptions if there is a health threat to mother or child or if raped.
and if she wants to kill her baby she can...right? Just rip that little body limb from limb. Vacuum out it's tiny little brain.
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" can I lop off your finger tip? The pinkie aka baby finger. It's not all that useful."
ME......"NO! I don't see much danger of you being raped by a woman, and I know you don't have valid surgical degree. So....what other idiotic comment can you produce?"
By the way, In Quebec, women DO have the right to an abortion at anytime during the gestation. So yes Gerryh, it can be done. However, vacuuming out the "tiny brain" really doesn't happen. Try to wrap YOUR brain around the fact, that the fertilized egg has to be capable of living on it's own before it is classed as a baby.
If you believe in "God", do you feel "He" is committing murder when "He" causes a spontaneous abortion?? After all it is really an act of God, as in most cases there is no actual cause that can be pointed to.
I posted the link, which it appears very few male posters here bothered to read on women's rights re abortion.
" can I lop off your finger tip? The pinkie aka baby finger. It's not all that useful."
ME......"NO! I don't see much danger of you being raped by a woman, and I know you don't have valid surgical degree. So....what other idiotic comment can you produce?"
By the way, In Quebec, women DO have the right to an abortion at anytime during the gestation. So yes Gerryh, it can be done. However, vacuuming out the "tiny brain" really doesn't happen. Try to wrap YOUR brain around the fact, that the fertilized egg has to be capable of living on it's own before it is classed as a baby.
If you believe in "God", do you feel "He" is committing murder when "He" causes a spontaneous abortion?? After all it is really an act of God, as in most cases there is no actual cause that can be pointed to.
I posted the link, which it appears very few male posters here bothered to read on women's rights re abortion.
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anywhere in Canada, women can legally obtain an abortion right up to the moment of birth.
Oh, and BTW, a new born baby is incapable of "living on it's own".
So, why the fuss......what about women being free to decide when and if they wish to lend their bodies to bring another mouth to feed into this world when so many people/mostly children/ starve to death every day on this earth??
It's perfectly okay if you lack morals and a pinkie but you are 100% responsible for them and your choices of immoral action.
There is NO RIGHT.
It has only been decriminalized for vanity purposes.
It has always been legal under limited circumstances for quite sometime.
Whether or not someone thinks it's immoral Religion is out of the picture.
Morals and respect for human life transcends any Religious argument you attempt to use as you justification for your lack of morals.
There is no Right or Religion to hide behind, you are being judged by society and society only.
Do as you must to justify your behaviour but don't you dare keep using this Right bullsh't or Religion bullsh't to try.
Can you do that?
There is NO RIGHT.
It has only been decriminalized for vanity purposes.
It has always been legal under limited circumstances for quite sometime.
Whether or not someone thinks it's immoral Religion is out of the picture.
Morals and respect for human life transcends any Religious argument you attempt to use as you justification for your lack of morals.
There is no Right or Religion to hide behind, you are being judged by society and society only.
Do as you must to justify your behaviour but don't you dare keep using this Right bullsh't or Religion bullsh't to try.
Can you do that?
If you or your child are incapable, others can and will raise that child.
Vanity?? ROTFL.......How about not being able to feed and care for another mouth, Immoral actions?? Like being raped, Like not being healthy enough to handle another child or perhaps knowing the circumstances existing before hand will cause unbearable hardship to the child. Self-righteousness is despicable, particularly when attempting to influence the well being of women and families, that you are not involved with.
It affects YOU not at all. It is NOT compulsory to have an abortion. It is about choice!!.
Tiemper, temper.......Is it because even if it is not a right, but used as one, and it is about to become a right under the law?? Do you are losing control in some way?? Welcome to how many women over the centuries have felt.
It affects YOU not at all. It is NOT compulsory to have an abortion. It is about choice!!.
Tiemper, temper.......Is it because even if it is not a right, but used as one, and it is about to become a right under the law?? Do you are losing control in some way?? Welcome to how many women over the centuries have felt.
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How about you just don't have sex..... then you won't get pregnant...
and don't bother with the "rape" argument, the incidences of abortion because of rape is very very very low.
All babies unwanted are wanted by others.
Are you sure your parents wanted you?
There is no food shortage or moral people willing to raise a child whose parents and entire lineage is incapable of raising just one more child after millions of years of doing so.
Are you of said inferior stock and incapable?
Would you be happier if failures at life and caring for another life were paid for the babies they are genetically unable to care for?
Okay, I should have been more careful, I humbly acknowledge and accept your rebuke.
There are two kinds of rights, generally distinguished as natural rights and legal rights. Natural rights are those that exist regardless of any legal or social system, they cannot be taken away or modified, an idea that comes out of Enlightenment ideas about natural law. I have a hard time thinking of any examples of that, even something as seemingly basic as the right to live can be taken away, but a woman's right to control her own body, if it exists, is clearly not one of them, because it has been taken away and modified in various places and times. Legal rights are those defined and provided by a particular legal system, and a woman's right to control her own body may be granted, but I know of no place where it has been. The general issue of human rights is fraught with philosophical pitfalls, but I'm inclined to think that legal rights are really the only kind, and no legal system can really guarantee them. It can provide a means of redress after you've been deprived of one, but if the one you've been deprived of is the right to live, you're pretty much hooped; you're dead. Your heirs and successors may obtain some redress, but it won't do you any good, you're not getting your life back.
I don't see the issue of abortion as involving rights, I think that's an emotional red herring that obscures the issue. It's a medical procedure that may sometimes be indicated as necessary for the health of the mother, or it may be an elective procedure legitimized by other reasons, and the issue is, what reasons will the legal system recognize as legitimate. There's no doubt that it involves ending a life and there's all kinds of emotive BS around that, like calling it killing inconvenient people, or murder, but my inclination is to consider it a private matter between doctor and patient, not a matter for the law at all. There are no laws about who can or can't get a cardiac bypass procedure, or an organ transplant, or cosmetic surgery, nor should there be, that's a medical decision not a legal one. So is abortion.
So why the fuss when a woman brings her baby to term and promptly dumps it into the trash ?
Hunger and World Poverty. About 21,000 people die every day of hunger or hunger-related causes, according to the United Nations. This is one person every four seconds, as you can see on this display. Sadly, it is children who die most often.
Poverty.com - Hunger and World Poverty
Poverty.com - Hunger and World Poverty
Read and weep! Use facts ad not emotions. You need to back off and figure out why this upsets you so much.