and we may still be able to breath the air without contracting respiratory diseases or drink the water without being poisoned by fracking sludge, or eat food that is not genetically engineered and sprayed with poisons. There is nothing civilized about our civilization.
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Hey Cliffy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is a question for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY are LIE-berals always trying to make things WORSE ??????????????????????????????????
They IGNORE a TRILLION LITRES of sewage a year leaking into our lakes and rivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They IGNORE a billion GALLONS of filtered drinking water leaking out of our rotting infrastructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They have set up their carbon crap and trade scam that only cleans cash from wallets and leaves the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yet they CLAIM to be truly concerned about the environment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And LIE-berals are FURIOUS that we would scorn their claims about environmental virtue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then they DO THIS::::::::::::::
Here is an article illustrating just how little real interest our LIE-beral overlords have in our environment! With some comments of my own in brackets):
Pressure mounts on Ottawa over contentious pipeline
By Michael Tutton, Cdn Press.
Published Dec 9, 2018
HALIFAX - A proposal to pump millions of litres of treated pulp mill waste into the Northumberland Strait is a clear case for Ottawa's toughest environmental review process, say veteran fisheries scientists — who contend many questions remain on how a swirl of sea life will mix with warm effluent and a changing climate.
(Its not just the warmth of the effluent -at a recently reported 67 degrees Celsius- that may be the problem! This is apparently the same kind of effluent that Atlantic Packaging has been dumping on fields in Durham Region for decades! And there has been a LOT of debate about how much should be allowed and how often - since the stuff contains various nasty compounds such as heavy metals- that can readily run into local wells as well as into Lake Ontario!)
(I know of one case where it was alleged by neighbours -worried about their well water- that more effluent than was permitted was dumped on a farmers hay field and the guy had to pay for an independent testing lab to verify what had been put on his fields! In dilute quantities the effluent is not especially dangerous- but how much is too much?)
The Strait touches three provinces, and the wider Gulf of St. Lawrence fisheries region is home to lobster and crab fisheries that brought in over $1.2 billion worth of catch in 2016.
(And the last thing we need is MORE TOXINS in the food we eat so the pipeline is becoming a BIG question mark!)
Bruce Hatcher, a Cape Breton University biologist, says Ottawa should appoint a panel to study the potential damage if Northern Pulp is allowed to pump 62 million litres of effluent daily from its Abercrombie, N.S., mill into the Strait.
"I believe this is a good example of a place that justifies a full environmental review," said Hatcher, who has studied marine ecosystems for over three decades.
Fishing boats pass the Northern Pulp mill as concerned residents, fishermen and Indigenous groups protest the mill's plan to dump millions of litres of effluent daily into the Northumberland Strait in Pictou, N.S., on Friday, July 6, 2018. A proposal to pump millions of litres of treated pulp mill waste into the Northumberland Strait is a clear case for Ottawa's toughest environmental review process, say veteran fisheries scientists, who contend many questions remain on how a swirl of sea life will mix with warm effluent and a changing climate.THE CANADIAN PRESS/Andrew Vaughan© Provided by thecanadianpress.com
The plan has raised the ire of local fishermen, the P.E.I. government and even Hollywood actor Ellen Page, who is from Halifax. A group of independent senators have also called for a full panel review by the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency.
"I've reviewed the documents, and whereas Northern Pulp seems to be adhering to 'best practices,' I do believe this project should be the object of a federal environmental assessment," lobster researcher Remy Rochette, the chair of biological science at the University of New Brunswick's Saint John campus, wrote in an email.
(TYPICAL LIE-berals! They can shrug off milli0ns of litres of sewage going into lakes and rivers! They can shrug off 62 million litres of effluent that would SICKEN YOU TO DRINK IT - going out into our marine ecosystem! But they cannot accept oil pipelines that only need decent maintenance so as not to leak!!!)
(And of course LIE-berals SHUN the idea of oil tankers operating on our west coast but COMPLETELY IGNORE oil tankers on our east coast! I guess the LIE-beral environmental position depends on how many votes they may win!)
However, as a clock ticks down toward a provincial deadline, it remains to be seen if Ottawa will order a full-scale look at whether highly treated effluent — and the mix of chemicals and finely ground up biological materials it still contains — should receive the country's top level of environmental scrutiny.
(Yes- it’s mainly the chemicals mixed in with the organic waste product that causes debate over Atlantic Packaging waste in Durham Region!)
Provincial legislation forces the closure of effluent flowing to a facility at the heavily polluted Boat Harbour lagoon by Jan. 31, 2020, a commitment made by Stephen McNeil's government in 2015, after five decades of the waste water flowing into the estuary on the edge of the Pictou Landing First Nation.
(Boat Harbour is heavily polluted by effluent? Why then LIE-berals are offering nothing more than the marine equivalent of the old Inco Sudbury GIANT SMOKE STACK- that did not end acid rain- it just spread it more thinly over a wider area?)
The province plans a 50-day, level-1 environmental review, while a federal "full-panel" process could take up to two years after a referral by the federal environment minister, according to the environmental assessment agency.
Kathy Cloutier, the director of communications at Northern Pulp's parent firm Paper Excellence, said her company will submit a project description in early January, and she's confident the mill's treatment proposals will meet the test of either a federal or provincial review.
But a federal review means her firm would require the province to extend the deadline for ending use of the Boat Harbour estuary, she said.
(So basically what the company is offering is a bit more refining of waste product - and then shooting it MUCH FURTHER OUT TO SEA??????????)
"That's certainly one that's going to require an extended period of time ... to accommodate any environmental process, commissioning and construction of the new facility," she said in an interview.
That would throw the ball back into the province's court — where McNeil has repeatedly said he's committed to Pictou Landing First Nation to meet the 2020 deadline.
Chief Andrea Paul of the Pictou Landing First Nation said in a telephone interview that her band would not agree to any further extensions, as the company has known for years that a federal review was possible.
A spokeswoman for the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency said in an email it's reviewing fisheries groups' requests for an independent panel review — and is awaiting a final pipeline route and proposed project from the company.
(So they ARE COUNTING VOTES - before acting! And if the votes are there then the HELL WITH the LIE-beral environment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(And shall we guess that LIE-berals would rather have the pulp mill than a soild fishery? Fishermen need to be regulated and checked on to make sure they are not exceeding their catch allowances- and checking fishermen is costly as they are out at sea!)
(But checking on pulp workers is MUCH easier since they are on land and one needs only check- how many hours worked and what rate of pay and now show us your income tax receipts! Yes- it looks like LIE-berals can save gravy by preferring pulp workers to fishermen!)
Under the province's class-1 review, the proponent does much of the work to determine potential impacts, and reviewers look at the result, along with a public commentary period.
The province has said it's not applying its higher level-2 review, where outside experts would oversee the process, because a new pipeline and treatment facility is considered a "modification" of an existing facility.
(That`s ODD! LIE-berals have complained about allowing corporations to be “self regulating when Conservatives did it and now LIE-berals consider it expedient to allow self regulating and self oversight of pulp industry - that may damage a valuable fishery!)
Michael van den Heuvel, an expert on environmental toxicology and the director of the Canadian Rivers Institute at the University of Prince Edward Island, says he understands why the fishermen would be concerned, but doesn't think damage to their catch is likely.
"In my opinion, in terms of environmental damage, I don't see grounds for stopping it (the pipeline)," he said in an interview.
Van den Heuvel, who has worked with the pulp and paper industry to study effluent effects on marine life, said concerns about chlorinated dioxins and furans have been significantly reduced as methods that produced the compounds were phased out. "The switch to chlorine dioxide effectively got rid of most of those compounds," he said.
(Oh- MOST of the dangerous compounds are now gone? Says a sometimes employee and servant of the industry? If a Conservative said such a thing we know how LIE-bereals would SCREAM with indignation!)
However, research by two DFO scientists published last year found that when lobster eggs are released they rely on the currents of the Gulf of St. Lawrence and drift for three to 12 weeks after release.
Marine biologists working with fisheries groups say that raises the possibility of multiple exposures to the fresh water effluent reaching the Strait. The area where the pipeline is planned for, known as fisheries area 21, helps seed six other areas described in the study.
Further DFO research is showing some lobster larvae are retained for up to 120 days and some actually end up west of where they started, defying previous expectations.
(So independent Fisheries Ministry scientists suggest THERE IS ENVIRONMENTAL RISK- while pulp company researchers tell us to relax - there is nothing to worry about!)
Rochette viewed the company's public presentation and the counter arguments from fishing groups, and concluded Ottawa should be involved.
"That the treatment plant functions at accepted standards does not speak to long-term and cumulative impacts of different discharge components. I believe these impacts should be assessed and considered before moving ahead with these kinds of projects, but perhaps particularly in this case given that the Northumberland Strait supports important fisheries, including for American lobster."
(Acceptable govt standards allow a trillion litres or more of raw sewage to be dumped in our lakes and rivers every year! Should we blindly trust such sloppy govt standards?)
The company says various regulated emissions, such as the amount of organic material and suspended solids in the effluent, would be well within federally regulated limits.
(Uh- huh and that IS the question- are the federal limits USEFUL?)
Regulated compounds such as nitrogen and phosphorous are dissolved in the massive flow of saltwater to the point where they blend into levels in surrounding waters just two metres from the pipe outlet, according to the consultant hired by Northern Pulp.
The company says most other regulated factors, from water temperature to salinity, fade to background levels within 100 metres.
(But would the consultant be WILLING to drink a daily glass of that effluent -taken from close to that outfall- for several years running? Would the consultant be willing to act as Guinea Pig while we monitor the heavy metals building up in his body? There is clearly NO long term testing being done or even considered!)
"We're confident in the science, we're confident in the project. With 131 kraft mills operating in North America and 20 per cent operating our proposed system ... we have no concern about an environmental assessment, be it federal or provincial," said Cloutier.
(This sounds like another Sudbury style massive chimney! Back in the 1980`s, INCO built a HUGE smoke stack- 1000 feet high - to disperse its acid rain over a much larger area with the intention of reducing the environmental damage! And of course it did not reduce pollution- it just moved it around some! Which is obviously the goal for both raw sewage and pulp effluent being dumped into our water ways by LIE-beral “defenders of the environment!!!!!!!)
Hatcher says he understands the argument of "diffusion is the solution to pollution," where the proposed water effluent may diffuse to the point of harmlessness into a current that mainly flows west to the Atlantic.
But he said major changes are coming to the Strait from climate change, and research suggests the waters may become more like a swirling washing machine than a conveyor belt to deeper waters.
(So there are good odds the filth WILL BUILD UP OVER TIME!)
"We're at the beginning of the fast accelerating point of global climate change. Any standard predictive models of what water does in the Northumberland Strait ... with every passing year are less valid," he said.
(And LIE-berals are focused on VOTES- not fish!)
