Johnson becomes 77th PM and forms a government of Brexiteers

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He cannot be a dictator by abiding by our ancient Westminster political system.The
Don't be ludicrous.
Not under the Westminster system, he doesn't.
That is unless the system has been changed recently.
He doesn't have the support of the British people and he knows it. That's why he hasn't dropped the writ.
 

Walter

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Well, Boris is a dictator if he doesn't go to the electorate for a mandate, soon.
Yes, you have a wholly new government with a leader who needs confirmation by the British people and he needs a fresh mandate.
I'd bet that Good Queen Betty agrees with me. She does have some constitutional say ....
Kathleen Wynne was premier of Ontario for 16 months before an election was called. That’s our system.
 

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I'd bet that Good Queen Betty agrees with me. She does have some constitutional say ....

By and large, the monarch's opinion in political matters is largely unimportant as the monarch is supposed to be non-political. She is supposed to stay out of politics.

And as Mr Johnson has, by law, no need to hold a General Election, it would be wrong for the apolitical monarch to force one onto the country. She can't do such a thing anyway.

So, you're ****ed, basically.

The Queen, by the way, is a Brexiteer.
 

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By and large, the monarch's opinion in political matters is largely unimportant as the monarch is supposed to be non-political. She is supposed to stay out of politics.
And as Mr Johnson has, by law, no need to hold a General Election, it would be wrong for the apolitical monarch to force one onto the country. She can't do such a thing anyway.
So, you're ****ed, basically.
The Queen, by the way, is a Brexiteer.
Maybe.
 

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There are three ways in which the Queen can call an election:

A) It is five years since the last election, or,

B) A motion of no confidence is passed against the government in the Commons, or,

C) A motion for a General Election is passed by at least two-thirds of the Commons.

None of these apply right now.

The only General Election that Johnson is obliged to face at the moment is the one to be held on Thursday 5th May 2022.
 

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Commons isn't sitting.

We'll see if that 2/3rds is there, now. It depends on how many Tories Boris manages to piss off.

We can see from Theresa May's experience that Tory party discipline is shyte.
 

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Commons isn't sitting.
We'll see if that 2/3rds is there, now. It depends on how many Tories Boris manages to piss off.
We can see from Theresa May's experience that Tory party discipline is shyte.

Corbyn keeps calling for a General Election in the hope that he can get into power and devastate the country. First he was calling for May to hold one and now he's calling for Johnson to hold one.

But why doesn't he try to get one by holding a No Confidence vote? What's he waiting for? Maybe he's too chicken shit.
 

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Corbyn keeps calling for a General Election in the hope that he can get into power and devastate the country. First he was calling for May to hold one and now he's calling for Johnson to hold one.
But why doesn't he try to get one by holding a No Confidence vote? What's he waiting for? Maybe he's too chicken shit.
Korbin is a Jew-hating communist.
 

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Korbin is a Jew-hating communist.

He's also a sympathiser of terrorists and other enemies of Britain, including Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA. The man is dangerous and should be kept from power, and I think Johnson will defeat him.
 

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Only Corbyn can call a vote of No Confidence. No one else can do it. Even if he does it, there are so many Tory and even Labour MPs appalled at the thought of Corbyn's anti-Semitic Marxists coming to power that Johnson would likely win it.

But even if there is one and Johnson loses it and there is a General Election as a result, even THAT may not be enough to destroy No Deal Brexit - even if Johnson went on to LOSE the election.

According to Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General, even if there's a General Election campaign or General Election itself on 31st October Johnson could still take us out with No Deal, as No Deal Brexit on that date if no deal can be reached is enshrined in law.


Maybe the Remainers should try praying. Maybe divine intervention could be their only hope of stopping No Deal Brexit.
 

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While what you said about the system is true, Blackie, it's STILL not the true will of the people. The people voted for the current Government, under May, NOT Boris. For him to have the true will and representation of the people, he needs to hold a general Election. Until then he's just the leader of the party, elected by the party, and the rest of the people of Britain had no say in it what so ever.
 

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While what you said about the system is true, Blackie, it's STILL not the true will of the people. The people voted for the current Government, under May, NOT Boris. For him to have the true will and representation of the people, he needs to hold a general Election. Until then he's just the leader of the party, elected by the party, and the rest of the people of Britain had no say in it what so ever.
Not only is Boris the leader of the party, he’s also PM of the UK. It’s the way the system has werked fer generations.
 

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He was elected by the public.
That the same public that voted to exit the EU in the last decade? Still waiting.

It seems what the taxpayer wants is the last thing the elected Government is willing to give them. Same old same old really, promise everything and deliver nothing.
 

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Not only is Boris the leader of the party, he’s also PM of the UK. It’s the way the system has werked fer generations.


Why yes, Capt'n Obvious, he is.

But he was not elected by the general public which is the entire point. He was elected by a closed group only, that closed group being those in his party.


He was NOT elected by all of Britain.
 

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I believe in Westminster parliamentary democracy, the same system that you have - you know, the one in which you elect the party, not the PM.

We have a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential one.
You got the part where you call out shots right, you are not right about the 'fair part' at all.
 

Walter

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Why yes, Capt'n Obvious, he is.
But he was not elected by the general public which is the entire point. He was elected by a closed group only, that closed group being those in his party.
He was NOT elected by all of Britain.
What’s yer point?