Actually, I think I read somewhere in something Looky posted that everyone is a sinner. The thing is that if you believe in the myth, you'll be ok sinner or not. If you don't believe in the myth, you're toast.
Jesus Loved Gays But Christians Won’t
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I can't speak for "Cristians", as I am not familiar with that particular faith group. Nor can I confirm or deny what you "just love". However, I do have an undergraduate Theological Studies degree, as well as a Psychology degree, combined with 6 years of seminary education.I assume this would allow me to formulate even a tiny theological opinion.
I have no doubt that you are well versed and studied but that doesn't mean others don't have a right to a valid opinion as well .
I was right. I am writing over your head. Sorry. I will eschew big words and complicated sentences from now on.
Sigh.
Pangloss
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but valid? That is sometimes debatable. And you know, some things do not rely on "opinions'. that is in and of itself one of the errors of secular humanist theologies which suggests that everything is in some sort of a grey area. A dangerous concept, in my opinion. (See I just had an opinion!)
There are some things, regardless of your opinion or mine, that just "are".
Doctrines of the Church, for example. You may have all the opinions you wish upon them, and so may I, but they are and they have been for over 2,000 years. Regardless of your opinion, they stand as they are.
You sir, have just been removed from my good graces! I have just now spit out a mouthful of coffee all about myself as I read your words!!!
“it is better understood to state we are born with that mark upon us, which will enable us to either walk in the light of Christ or to dismiss that Light and walk in sin.”
I’m sorry, I interpreted this as there was only the choice of walking in the light of Christ or to dismiss the light of Christ and walk in sin. I would of thought someone who is as critical of other peoples writings as Pangloss would have been more clear. Maybe you should have taken an elective in logic. Doesn't the bible say something like those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. If it doesn't say that it says at least do not be judged unless ye be judged yourself.
Spare me your attempts at an exegesis of Scriptural verses, especially ones pulled out of context to the passages they are inserted in.
Christ, God if you prefer, is the essence of all goodness, whether you accept that concept or not. If leading a good life, one given to acts of charity and selfless devotion to others, it is through the grace of God that we are allowed that humble pleasure.
God has the amazing ability to exercise His abilities to manifest goodness even in the hearts and minds of those who do not believe in Him. Unlike the individual, who often requires a constant barrage of reinforcement by others to his worth, God does not require your belief to act as He will. Nor does He condition Himself to being dictated to by the very beings He has created. If He would allow Himself to be dictated to by the likes of us, I'd have had lots of people and faith groups blasted into oblivion years ago;-)
You views of on which opinions are valid and which aren't is just another opinion. Some of your opinions are right some are wrong and yes some things are grey. As they say, the more you learn the more you realize how much their is you don't know. At least that is how it is suppose to work.
So then if I am good, I am following the path of Christ and I don't need to believe in him or go to church?
Good, you deserve that after causing me to spit out hot coffee whilst I laughed at what you wrote.
You are correct, though, I too have a mound of things to do that are not getting done.
You know very well that is not what I was suggesting. Stop seeking to appear clever, it does not suit you.
Okay, so if I'm good and I don't go to church I'm not evil, just damned? That really says a lot about an all loving god. I've heard some other options before though. One is you get into heaven but you just get into a lower part of the kingdom. The other is so you go to hell but it is not forever. Your soul gets deleted at rapture. I'm interested to here your thoughts of why an all loving god would create people he new were going to burn in hell. It sounds kind of sadistic to me.
The rapture???? Wrong room, bub, this is the one with the statutes of Mary in it, Pentecostals are down the other hall
The rapture???? Wrong room, bub, this is the one with the statutes of Mary in it, Pentecostals are down the other hall
Well, the forum title is Christian Discussion. Anyway, how is the worship of the idol Mary going?
.......... and don't forget to breathe.
Shhhhhh! Let's just watch from the sidelines, eh? My money's on the frock this time, what odds are you offering? ;-)
Regardless of the title, I'm still Catholic. Imagine that!
Couldn't tell you, since I neither see the Mother of Christ as an idol nor have I, or the Church, ever worshipped her. I assume, of course, that you know otherwise. It is always lovely having people outside of the Church inform us what we actually believe.
Same here. Couldn't find any takers on my bet. Even with astronomical odds.Shhhhhh! Let's just watch from the sidelines, eh? My money's on the frock this time, what odds are you offering?