Jesus camp in USA

[CDNBear]

This is just my first two cent, but in my opinion, religion causes hate and hate causes war.

Chukcha is correct, religion is neccessary. A huge percentage of the worlds laws are based on religious morality. That is what makes us "civilized".

The seperation of church and state is a pipe dream. North America was carved out of the bush with a Christian sword, and a lot of help from my ancestors.

To ban or remove religion from day to day life, would leave a moral vacuum. To undoubtably be filled by the first spin doctor able to sway the masses to his new way of thought.

All the fuss is for not, the three waring religions were born of the same theology. The Old Testament. The Torah, the Quran and the Bible, have the same beginnings. At one point in time we were all Jewish. Islam found Mohammed, Christianity found Jesus. Islam believes Jesus was a prophet of Allah. Jesus was Jewish.

Religion isn't the problem, as with most global and domestic issues, it is those that wish to twist the words to suit their agenda. In the end, it real doesn't matter what anyone calls "God", the address is still the same.

 

[Said1]

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If the religion as a whole will be banned, there will be a a chaos, unhappy world.
We need to believe, but to beleive in Good not evil. Believing in the sword only makes our lives more complicated and unhappy. Christianity is not about hate, it's about doing good to us, Christ sacrifised himself for us, doesn't matter what you believe who he was, what matters is that he did it for our sakes. He was a very wise and kind person, he had sense in his words. All the sayings in the new testament are only for our good.

Puuuuh-leeeeeease!! brainwashed much?? The fact that you say stuff like this and have NEVER physically met "christ", "jesus" or whatever you want to call this joker is beyond me.

He's wise and kind just like all the preists who rape little boys are.

BS religion is 90% the reason (if not more) why there is so much war going on and has been for years.

People have been fighting in the name of Jesus, Alah, etc, etc forever. The Divine Right of Kings long predates Europe and Mohammad (or whomever) which is merely a means to keep the the populace and dissenters in line, doling out punishment in the name of God. This is no different than punishing the Church and forcing secularism on society through force, revoluton, punishment etc, etc. Being that they , like you, are rational, self-interest maximizers, they thought this was the best way to protect their status quo (leadership, kingdom et, etc) from outside threats and encroaching invaders who just happened to practice other religions. Wars will always be fought, because there will always be interests to protect from percived enenemies. It's ultamite power, not religion. Regular shmucks like us just get caught up in the games other people play.

On the other hand, I don't think Jesus would approve of the Divine Right of Kings, he was clearly a peaceful person, just spreading the Good News. And quite frankly, calling Jesus a pedophile is in really bad taste. Jesus was a Jew, not a perverted Catholic priest, condoning physcal and sexual abuse.

 

[I think not]

What a bunch of whackos.

 

[escrayzee]

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And you must be, who? Who are you to say this? Have YOU met Jesus?
I tell you, I'd rather give my preference to him, than to you. You don't sound very well at all to me.

Doesn't make sense to me why you would ask a question that you already know the answer to! "Who am I to say this?" I'm an inhabitant of the planet Earth. Who'd you think I was?

"Have I met Jesus?" What kind of question is that?? Here's my silly answer to a silly question ---> Yeah sure, he's my neighbour.

"I don't sound very well at all to you?" I'm not the one who needs a crutch (a.k.a. religion) to get through reality!

Go pray for me to be "saved" one day why don't you! Get real :twisted:

 

[escrayzee]

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On the other hand, I don't think Jesus would approve of the Divine Right of Kings, he was clearly a peaceful person, just spreading the Good News. And quite frankly, calling Jesus a pedophile is in really bad taste. Jesus was a Jew, not a perverted Catholic priest, condoning physcal and sexual abuse.

It just astounds me that people can talk about this "guy" Jesus like he's their best friend. This guy apparently existed thousands of years ago...that's it!! For you to tell people what he did, like you were physically there is weird to me.

Sorry If I might be offending you, but religion is way too much of a farse for me! It seriously creeps me out, and to know that a good chunk of people eat this stuff up like it's going out of style is just mind boggling.

Jesus was a jew. Great, let's find a nice medal for him and rocket it up to the "heavens".

 

[Said1]

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On the other hand, I don't think Jesus would approve of the Divine Right of Kings, he was clearly a peaceful person, just spreading the Good News. And quite frankly, calling Jesus a pedophile is in really bad taste. Jesus was a Jew, not a perverted Catholic priest, condoning physcal and sexual abuse.

It just astounds me that people can talk about this "guy" Jesus like he's their best friend. This guy apparently existed thousands of years ago...that's it!! For you to tell people what he did, like you were physically there is weird to me.

Sorry If I might be offending you, but religion is way too much of a farse for me! It seriously creeps me out, and to know that a good chunk of people eat this stuff up like it's going out of style is just mind boggling.

Jesus was a jew. Great, let's find a nice medal for him and rocket it up to the "heavens".

There, there. Settle yourself down. To beleive in who Jesus said he was and what he actually did with his time on earth are two seperate things. You believe other things that are written about that time period, don't you? You weren't there, were you? For you to talk about history and speak of what people did thousands of years ago woud be just as weird as discussing Jesus Christ, now woudn't it? Why is it sooooo easy for you to beleive just about everything else, but not that Jesus was a good person, helped many and gave of himself unconditionally? Wow, like totally creepy, man.

I personally believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I don't exactly beleive he is the son of God. See the difference? Or is that too creepy pour toi?

And as for Jesus being a Jew, it is relevant because he didn't start Christianity in his own name, that was done after his death. Like I said, I don't think Jesus would approve of the concept of the Divine Right of Kings, otherwise, he probably would have fought for his rightful title "King of the Jews" instead of dying on the cross.

 

[feronia]

I don't pretend to know anything about Muslim extremists, I do know by experience that there are camps that are trying to brainwash our young. There are preachers playing God in peoples lives to the point they won't take the medication that their doctors provide because God will provide. I'm one that believes the first reason for every war is money and the reason used is religion. My observations are that the second you give up your spirituality to a human being other than yourself is the day you loose it.

 

[CDNBear]

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It just astounds me that people can talk about this "guy" Jesus like he's their best friend. This guy apparently existed thousands of years ago...that's it!! For you to tell people what he did, like you were physically there is weird to me.

Sorry If I might be offending you, but religion is way too much of a farse for me! It seriously creeps me out, and to know that a good chunk of people eat this stuff up like it's going out of style is just mind boggling.

Jesus was a jew. Great, let's find a nice medal for him and rocket it up to the "heavens".

I am not attacking anyones choice of religion or lack there of, but I wrote a paper once on religion and gave it a considerable amount of time and research and thought. I however am not by any stretch of the imagination religious, spiritual, yes, but I am willing to accept that my Great Spirit might also be God or Allah.

Religion is much like the tie that binds. In some cases it gives strength, others guidence, to some it has become a complete way of life.

To the Western world it is the basis for common law, a huge part of our legal system is birthed from Christian morality, our very Nations were born of Christian fundamentalist freedom, (hint hint, the Mayflower, the Pilgrims)

Religion of many sorts, has permiated our very way of life. The seperation of church and state is a myth. The state was built by the church. to demand that it be seperated now, is to demand its destruction.

Apart from that though, I found that when polled, many people stated that they did not believe in God or in any religion of any kind. I found this to be puzzling. If there is no religion, no God, then there is no afterlife, no heaven? If that were truly the case, then what would be the point of existing?

I theorize that deep down inside everyone, despite what they may verbally project, they do believe in something. The absence of greater meaning removes civil controls. if you truly believed that there was no God or greater Power, you would exist solely for yourself, and anarchist. Laws would mean nothing and life itself would be meaningless to you. No?

 

[escrayzee]

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There, there. Settle yourself down. To beleive in who Jesus said he was and what he actually did with his time on earth are two seperate things. You believe other things that are written about that time period, don't you? You weren't there, were you? For you to talk about history and speak of what people did thousands of years ago woud be just as weird as discussing Jesus Christ, now woudn't it? Why is it sooooo easy for you to beleive just about everything else, but not that Jesus was a good person, helped many and gave of himself unconditionally? Wow, like totally creepy, man.

I personally believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I don't exactly beleive he is the son of God. See the difference? Or is that too creepy pour toi?

And as for Jesus being a Jew, it is relevant because he didn't start Christianity in his own name, that was done after his death. Like I said, I don't think Jesus would approve of the concept of the Divine Right of Kings, otherwise, he probably would have fought for his rightful title "King of the Jews" instead of dying on the cross.

Sure some guy named Jesus might have been good semaritan, lots of people are!!

You're missing the point of what I find creepy. I find it creepy that loads of poeple flock to church, pray, give %'ages of their income to their church, etc. It's pointless!! (i.e. waste of resources). For example, if God cared so much about his people, why do unfortunate events still happen to people who pray? Like a forcasted hurricane. People will pray that the hurricane doesn't demo everything in it's path. The next day, the hurricane demos everything in it's path. What did praying do?? Nothing!! Did "the lord" save his people? Non. Did people who devoted their whole lives being "faithful" and paying die? Oui. What gives? It's a big joke.

I can go on and on about how people think "miracles" happen, and how people think they're "blessed". It just never ends. Then you have all the different divisions of Christianity (not to mention ALL the rest of the religions the people on this planet are a part of)....it's just waay too much.

I'd like the retract the comment I said about Jesus raping young boys because that was a shot from the hip. But whatever happened in Mr. Jesus' time has bred a whole bunch of crazies that seem to think they KNOW what's right or wrong. For example, saying birth control is a sin, or homosexuality is a sin, etc, then some priest will go ahead and molest children as if that's not a "sin". It's just ridiculous. I don't need religion in my life. Maybe you do, that's great for you. I just have so many better ways to spend my time on this planet.

 

[escrayzee]

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Apart from that though, I found that when polled, many people stated that they did not believe in God or in any religion of any kind. I found this to be puzzling. If there is no religion, no God, then there is no afterlife, no heaven? If that were truly the case, then what would be the point of existing?

I theorize that deep down inside everyone, despite what they may verbally project, they do believe in something. The absence of greater meaning removes civil controls. if you truly believed that there was no God or greater Power, you would exist solely for yourself, and anarchist. Laws would mean nothing and life itself would be meaningless to you. No?

The point of existing (from my point of view anyway) would be to contribute to society and make the most of your time on Earth, trying to be productive so that the next generation of inhabitants can build from what we've left behind from our existance.

Shall we over analyze more?

 

[Said1]

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Sure some guy named Jesus might have been good semaritan, lots of people are!!

You're missing the point of what I find creepy. I find it creepy that loads of poeple flock to church, pray, give %'ages of their income to their church, etc. It's pointless!! (i.e. waste of resources). For example, if God cared so much about his people, why do unfortunate events still happen to people who pray? Like a forcasted hurricane. People will pray that the hurricane doesn't demo everything in it's path. The next day, the hurricane demos everything in it's path. What did praying do?? Nothing!! Did "the lord" save his people? Non. Did people who devoted their whole lives being "faithful" and paying die? Oui. What gives? It's a big joke.

No, I didn't miss your point. So you find faith creepy, good for you. Who cares. As for the rest of your tired old argument, some people look to the bad experiences in their lives hoping to find a lesson, some dwell on the bad and learn nothing. Praying and/or meditation often leaves people open to finding and receiving guidence, regardless of it's nature. Some say it's God, other say it's the universe or spirit guides. What difference does it make as long as your willing to recieve answers instead of dwelling on the 'cards' you've been delt?

I can go on and on about how people think "miracles" happen, and how people think they're "blessed". It just never ends. Then you have all the different divisions of Christianity (not to mention ALL the rest of the religions the people on this planet are a part of)....it's just waay too much.

I'm sorry you don't see any blessings in your life or care to acknowledge the mircle of life and nature that surrounds you. Too bad. Feeling blessed and believing in God aren't one in the same. You'll live to see that one day.

[quote[I'd like the retract the comment I said about Jesus raping young boys because that was a shot from the hip. But whatever happened in Mr. Jesus' time has bred a whole bunch of crazies that seem to think they KNOW what's right or wrong. For example, saying birth control is a sin, or homosexuality is a sin, etc, then some priest will go ahead and molest children as if that's not a "sin". It's just ridiculous. I don't need religion in my life. Maybe you do, that's great for you. I just have so many better ways to spend my time on this planet.[/quote]

Firstly, not all clergy are Catholic preists, there are homosexual ministers, not all churchs condem birth control etc, ect. Secondly, Jesus didn't breed anything, Christianity was something that started after his death. Thirdly, I'm not religious in the least. And lastly, you really don't know a whole lot about theology or spirituality so I won't bother you with anymore bits of my wisdom D) so, on that note, I will leave you with a quote from one of my favorite (non-Christian) authors '"What could I say to you that would be of value, except that perhaps you seek too much, that as a result of your seeking you cannot find." - Hermann Hesse'

I hope you one day find a secular blessing or two in your life. :lol:

 

[Toro]

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Sure some guy named Jesus might have been good semaritan, lots of people are!!

You're missing the point of what I find creepy. I find it creepy that loads of poeple flock to church, pray, give %'ages of their income to their church, etc. It's pointless!! (i.e. waste of resources). For example, if God cared so much about his people, why do unfortunate events still happen to people who pray? Like a forcasted hurricane. People will pray that the hurricane doesn't demo everything in it's path. The next day, the hurricane demos everything in it's path. What did praying do?? Nothing!! Did "the lord" save his people? Non. Did people who devoted their whole lives being "faithful" and paying die? Oui. What gives? It's a big joke.

No, I didn't miss your point. So you find faith creepy, good for you. Who cares. As for the rest of your tired old argument, some people look to the bad experiences in their lives hoping to find a lesson, some dwell on the bad and learn nothing. Praying and/or meditation often leaves people open to finding and receiving guidence, regardless of it's nature. Some say it's God, other say it's the universe or spirit guides. What difference does it make as long as your willing to recieve answers instead of dwelling on the 'cards' you've been delt?

This is the same argument as "If God exists, why do bad things happen?"

The question can easily be restated as "If God doesn't exist, why do good things happen?"

Simply because good or bad things happen in no way proves or disproves the existence of God.

 

[escrayzee]

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you really don't know a whole lot about theology or spirituality so I won't bother you with anymore bits of my wisdom D) so, on that note, I will leave you with a quote from one of my favorite (non-Christian) authors '"What could I say to you that would be of value, except that perhaps you seek too much, that as a result of your seeking you cannot find." - Hermann Hesse'

I hope you one day find a secular blessing or two in your life. :lol:

To be perfectly honest, I do not know a whole lot about thology or spirituality. Could be because it doesn't really fit into my schedule, being that I just don't want to find the time for it because it doesn't interest me. Maybe I'm not old enough yet. :lol:

I'm asking myself what more is there to say...well, I guess the polite thing to do is say, thank you and have a nice day.

 

[escrayzee]

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This is the same argument as "If God exists, why do bad things happen?"

The question can easily be restated as "If God doesn't exist, why do good things happen?"

Simply because good or bad things happen in no way proves or disproves the existence of God.

Just keep that hamster wheel goin'! :wink:

 

[Proud American]

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If the religion as a whole will be banned, there will be a a chaos, unhappy world.
We need to believe, but to beleive in Good not evil. Believing in the sword only makes our lives more complicated and unhappy. Christianity is not about hate, it's about doing good to us, Christ sacrifised himself for us, doesn't matter what you believe who he was, what matters is that he did it for our sakes. He was a very wise and kind person, he had sense in his words. All the sayings in the new testament are only for our good.

Puuuuh-leeeeeease!! brainwashed much?? The fact that you say stuff like this and have NEVER physically met "christ", "jesus" or whatever you want to call this joker is beyond me.

He's wise and kind just like all the preists who rape little boys are.

BS religion is 90% the reason (if not more) why there is so much war going on and has been for years.

WRONG!! MAN is responsible for these evils, not religion and certainly NOT God...MAN takes scripture and twists it to his/her own evil, selfish will...there is NO where in the Bible that says to hate or kill one that does not believe as you do, just like there is now where in the Bible that says to rape kids....so get it right! :roll: :roll:

Man is human and therefore will still sin and do things that are AGAINST the word of God, do NOT blame that on the religion....blame that on the idiotic "intelligent" fool called man :evil: ....

 

[Proud American]

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There, there. Settle yourself down. To beleive in who Jesus said he was and what he actually did with his time on earth are two seperate things. You believe other things that are written about that time period, don't you? You weren't there, were you? For you to talk about history and speak of what people did thousands of years ago woud be just as weird as discussing Jesus Christ, now woudn't it? Why is it sooooo easy for you to beleive just about everything else, but not that Jesus was a good person, helped many and gave of himself unconditionally? Wow, like totally creepy, man.

I personally believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I don't exactly beleive he is the son of God. See the difference? Or is that too creepy pour toi?

And as for Jesus being a Jew, it is relevant because he didn't start Christianity in his own name, that was done after his death. Like I said, I don't think Jesus would approve of the concept of the Divine Right of Kings, otherwise, he probably would have fought for his rightful title "King of the Jews" instead of dying on the cross.

Sure some guy named Jesus might have been good semaritan, lots of people are!!

You're missing the point of what I find creepy. I find it creepy that loads of poeple flock to church, pray, give %'ages of their income to their church, etc. It's pointless!! (i.e. waste of resources). For example, if God cared so much about his people, why do unfortunate events still happen to people who pray? Like a forcasted hurricane. People will pray that the hurricane doesn't demo everything in it's path. The next day, the hurricane demos everything in it's path. What did praying do?? Nothing!! Did "the lord" save his people? Non. Did people who devoted their whole lives being "faithful" and paying die? Oui. What gives? It's a big joke.

I can go on and on about how people think "miracles" happen, and how people think they're "blessed". It just never ends. Then you have all the different divisions of Christianity (not to mention ALL the rest of the religions the people on this planet are a part of)....it's just waay too much.

I'd like the retract the comment I said about Jesus raping young boys because that was a shot from the hip. But whatever happened in Mr. Jesus' time has bred a whole bunch of crazies that seem to think they KNOW what's right or wrong. For example, saying birth control is a sin, or homosexuality is a sin, etc, then some priest will go ahead and molest children as if that's not a "sin". It's just ridiculous. I don't need religion in my life. Maybe you do, that's great for you. I just have so many better ways to spend my time on this planet.

I will certainly keep you in prayer, because you are obviously misinformed as well as sadly misguided. And NO ONE HERE can save you, if GOd wants you, HE will have you and bring you to Him. And be careful, because the way he brings you to Him may be by way of a horrible circumstance, like it was for me; almost being near death....

What you need to understand honey is that EVERY "religion" is tarnished now adays with child molestors, murderers, etc....BUT being a TRUE Christian is not having RELIGION as man calls it, rather than having a RELATIONSHIP with God. God HATES religion, because that is exactly what the Pharisees and Sadicees were, RELIGIOUS, but knew NOTHING about God. Jesus rebuked them and came to teach us to not be concerned with religion, but to sow your relationship with God.

And by the way, I consider myself a "Good Samaritan", but I have never raised the dead, healed the sick, turned water into wine, or been resurrected after being dead for three days,..so therefore, Jesus was WAAAYYY more than a "Good Samaritan"...He is what God said He is......His son.

I do not mean to "preach" at you, just wanted to give you something to think about. Whether you choose to believe or not is of course your choice and right, but the seed has been planted and again, if God wants you with Him, you will be...

 

[Toro]

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Just keep that hamster wheel goin'! :wink:

Yes, you are.

 

[feronia]

Jesus was WAAAYYY more than a "Good Samaritan"...He is what God said He is......His son.

That is your perception and your welcome to it but you can try to force it down others throats but I don't swallow.

 

[Proud American]

Jesus was WAAAYYY more than a "Good Samaritan"...He is what God said He is......His son.

That is your perception and your welcome to it but you can try to force it down others throats but I don't swallow.

Who's "forcing" anything?? LOL!! :roll: :lol: I could care less WHAT you "swallow", I am setting people straight on what "true" Christians believe, no one "asked" you to believe it so why did you even respond?? :?
:roll:

 

[feronia]

Jesus was WAAAYYY more than a "Good Samaritan"...He is what God said He is......His son.

That is your perception and your welcome to it but you can try to force it down others throats but I don't swallow.

Who's "forcing" anything?? LOL!! :roll: :lol: I could care less WHAT you "swallow", I am setting people straight on what "true" Christians believe, no one "asked" you to believe it so why did you even respond?? :?
:roll:

Because I thought this was a message board where people had a right to their opinions not just yours.