Jason Kenney should hold referendum Alberta sovereignty

taxslave

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If Alberta wants to really leave Canada, then TBH no one should stop them.
Same for Quebec.
But like so many say with Quebec, the buck stops the instant they leave. And they pay back any share of debt they owe Canada and so on and so on.
For me personally... I think if Alberta left, either a good chunk of population would leave as well (if the vote even passed) OR the province would quickly want to GTFO of the US not long after joining.
In this case the rest of Canada would owe Alberta for all the money that has been ripped off to support lavish social programs in Ontarioe and Quebec.
 

taxslave

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Actually I don't think so.. if Alberta joined the USA, there would be a domino effect and the rest of Canada would follow pretty quickly.
The USA would not allow some Asian country to take BC.
Canada on its own is not economically viable. Its economic activity is a long strip just north of the border stretching for thousands of mile. No depth to markets and excessive connectivity costs.
Moreover, Canada needs to learn to compete. Its creative juices are .. Well what creative juices?
USA is a powerhouse of innovation, resourcefulness and the currency has reserve status allowing it to weather huge storms. Not so long ago US had been written off - and look where the loonie is today.
Just like Zambia, or similar places Canada is resource rich and that is the curse. It ignores the most resourceful capital it has Human Capital. Not only are its markets uncompetitive, its people are undervalued, and end up doing jobs that do not lever their training or interests.
In Arts or Culture nothing/ no one has succeeded in Canada until they have succeeded in US, Celine Dion or Shania or Paul Anka.
It would be best for Canada to join and be one or more states of USA.
If for nothing else, a Canada US merger would make the likes of Cannuck go bat shit crazy.. Oh to late he already is.. :lol:

Should the U.S. and Canada Merge?
Unfortunately there are now so many space cadets in BC we would probably end up joining Washington, Oregon and California in a new county known as LALA Land. Industry would be banned and we would all be eating twigg and berrys while huddled in our Teslas that won't run because there is no money to repair the solar panels or repair the roads.
 

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If the globull warming truthers are to be believed it could have been pumped through NWT and loadd on tankers in the ice free Arctic for the past 6 years.


I weep every time that I'm reminded of the ice free north pole since 2013.



If Alberta wants to really leave Canada, then TBH no one should stop them.

Same for Quebec.


But like so many say with Quebec, the buck stops the instant they leave. And they pay back any share of debt they owe Canada and so on and so on.

For me personally... I think if Alberta left, either a good chunk of population would leave as well (if the vote even passed) OR the province would quickly want to GTFO of the US not long after joining.

Select provinces would be 'owed' money (as taxslave pointed out) upon departure if that metric was applied.

Alberta would be among those select few.

RE: Joining the USA, well, there are options that are not predicated on having to become a State within the USA
 

MHz

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It should be a national vote where all the Provinces hold the same vote and it has to be unambitious or Canada reverts to what it was before 1967, Sovereign Provinces and Sovereign Territories. Ottawa is retired and Ontario and Quebec suddenly have to start pulling their own weight or their people suffer.
As it is there is no record of the results of the 1867 referendum vote so it cannot be proved it even took place.
 

MHz

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Make it a item on the federal election coming up. Should Canada revert back to Sovereign Provinces? Yes / No
 

coldstream

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I feel the sameway about about Alberta separatists as I do of those of Quebec or, the Maratimes or, Ontario or, Cascadia or, the Northern Inuit Republic.

Forget the damn referendums and pick up a weapon and fight your way out. That's the only way separatism has ever worked anywhere. So load up your 30.06 Remington and take on the Princess Pats or the Van Doos. We'll bury you out in the oil sands and put up a bronze plaque to you for contributing to the resource.

Separatists are all lip, and No brains and, NO guts.
 

MHz

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Why do you think only Quebec was allowed to vote on their referendum instead of the Canada being able to vote on if they wanted Quebec to be part of Canada. Retards at the wheel in Ontario and Quebec since their false flag war that never had an end and hindsight would say the war was not really done with 'vigor'.
You can talk all you want, the results of the 1867 vote simply do not exist anywhere, let alone being producible.

With the money they would lose they would certainly go for a united Canada rather than every Province for themselves. Alberta (Prairies) is the first to ink a deal with Israel asking for military protection from 'hostile nations' and 'poof' the iron dome is there for a bargain at $700B, . . . . per year.
 

coldstream

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Why do you think only Quebec was allowed to vote on their referendum instead of the Canada being able to vote on if they wanted Quebec to be part of Canada. Retards at the wheel in Ontario and Quebec since their false flag war that never had an end and hindsight would say the war was not really done with 'vigor'.
You can talk all you want, the results of the 1867 vote simply do not exist anywhere, let alone being producible.
With the money they would lose they would certainly go for a united Canada rather than every Province for themselves. Alberta (Prairies) is the first to ink a deal with Israel asking for military protection from 'hostile nations' and 'poof' the iron dome is there for a bargain at $700B, . . . . per year.


I don't think anyone should be allowed to vote on Separation. That is clearly beyond and in contravention of all Constitutional prerogative of any government. I think Spain handled the illegal separation proclamation of Catelonia properly. They arrested the perpetrators, who are sitting in jail to this day, or in exile.

Canada falls back on its wimpy sense of inferiority and impotence too often. Never more than dealing with the separatist threat from Quebec in the 1960s and 1970s.. which required a muscular and assertive response.. not the spineless capitulation that we saw from the Liberals of that day, or the Meech Lake sell out to 'asymetrical federalism' of Brian Mulroney.

Quebecers are good Canadians. It's the sleazy, power grasping Quebec political class, who want all of the benefits of Canadian citizenship and none of its responsibilities who are traitors to their country and to their cultural identity.
 
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Only idiot Trumpites would think this is even a remotely good idea
Not just Trumpites; morons too.

While I sympathize with Sask.& Alberta,they are landlocked and thus have no bargaining power.

They are screwed, and by the times the idiots in Ottawa have finished destroying their viability,they will either be totally depopulated or getting ready to wage a kamikaze attack on Ottawa.

The stupidity and incompetence of the Federal Liberals could easily contribute to the breakup of our country.

Australia,NZ,etc went to a powerful elected Senate which helps their countries deal with moronic Federal whackjobs. Canadians have no such protections.

Of course, the two major parties will never willingly cede the control of a Triple E senate to the voters.

That would be democracy and alien to our culture.

Add to that an activist Left wing SCC unelected, & deaf to reality.

We are in deeper trouble than many realize.

As far as being over by the U.S, Canadians are, by and large,to the Left of the Democrats, so the GOP etc would fight that.

So Trump is unlikely to want to take us over, but as Chief Whackjob, who knows?
 

Ron in Regina

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Albrexit? Why? It already borders the US. Cut a pipeline deal with them.
What's needed is diversified clients for petroleum products for Western Canada.

 

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If Alberta wants to really leave Canada, then TBH no one should stop them.

Same for Quebec.


But like so many say with Quebec, the buck stops the instant they leave. And they pay back any share of debt they owe Canada and so on and so on.

For me personally... I think if Alberta left, either a good chunk of population would leave as well (if the vote even passed) OR the province would quickly want to GTFO of the US not long after joining.


"A full 82 per cent of Quebec respondents to a survey conducted by the Angus Reid Institute in partnership with CBC agreed with the statement, "Ultimately, Quebec should stay in Canada."

When broken down by language group, 73 per cent of francophone respondents said Quebec should remain in Canada."


www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-angus-reid-canada-indepdence-1.3788110


Quebec has no intention of separating from the rest of Canada. Quit beating a dead horse.

Western alienation is nothing new nor is talk of Western Provinces separating from the rest of Canada. There is no benefit to AB leaving confederation on either side of the coin. Once the Blue Wave has swept into the HOC, things will once again settle down.
 

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The financial deal between the federation and the provinces has always been excise

Therefore Alberta can perhaps leave the federation (notwithstanding) but the money that goes to the federation for the oil and gas still goes to the federation