Jason Kenney should hold referendum Alberta sovereignty

taxslave

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The financial deal between the federation and the provinces has always been excise
Therefore Alberta can perhaps leave the federation (notwithstanding) but the money that goes to the federation for the oil and gas still goes to the federation
How did you ever come up with that? Resources belong to the provinces. All Ottawa does is steal what they can when nobody is looking and add to the cost to consumers.
 

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I feel the sameway about about Alberta separatists as I do of those of Quebec or, the Maratimes or, Ontario or, Cascadia or, the Northern Inuit Republic.

Forget the damn referendums and pick up a weapon and fight your way out. That's the only way separatism has ever worked anywhere. So load up your 30.06 Remington and take on the Princess Pats or the Van Doos. We'll bury you out in the oil sands and put up a bronze plaque to you for contributing to the resource.

Separatists are all lip, and No brains and, NO guts.


No need to pick up arms when there is a mechanism, in place. But in the event that you're still all butt hurt about it, gather-up your like-minded comrades, assemble a bunch of pointy sticks and wander on over.


PS - There's a ton of nations that have prospered upon leaving a corrupted nation
 

White_Unifier

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I don't think anyone should be allowed to vote on Separation. That is clearly beyond and in contravention of all Constitutional prerogative of any government. I think Spain handled the illegal separation proclamation of Catelonia properly. They arrested the perpetrators, who are sitting in jail to this day, or in exile.
Canada falls back on its wimpy sense of inferiority and impotence too often. Never more than dealing with the separatist threat from Quebec in the 1960s and 1970s.. which required a muscular and assertive response.. not the spineless capitulation that we saw from the Liberals of that day, or the Meech Lake sell out to 'asymetrical federalism' of Brian Mulroney.
Quebecers are good Canadians. It's the sleazy, power grasping Quebec political class, who want all of the benefits of Canadian citizenship and none of its responsibilities who are traitors to their country and to their cultural identity.

When we imprison a people, they will want to leave. While some in the UK wanted to leave the EU since they didn't like immigrants, others wanted out since the EU's outside tariffs trap the UK within a limited market.

Hong Kong and Singapore enjoy the advantage of trading with whomever they want and are among the wealthiest states in the world per capita.

Canada is extremely protectionist compared to the US even with a protectionist like Trump in power. That gives us some idea of just how protectionist Canada is. As a result, Canada traps us within our borders. With that, I can understand why many Canadians would want their province to leave Canada since they'd look at it as a way to finally open up to the world. Unilateral global free trade and decentralization could be one of the best ways to promote Canadian unity.
 
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I live in Toronto. I'd love for the Constitution of Canada to recognize Toronto as a Special Administrative Region under a Basic Law that would entrench the International Covenanant on Civil and Political Rights (so no more separate Catholic and Protestant schools to the exclusion of all others), and that would allow the City of Toronto to adopt unilateral global free trade. This would allow Toronto to unilaterally drop all tariffs and quotas and then negotiate its own trade agreement with the rest of Canada, the US, and other states around the world. It could even adopt its own immigration policy too. I kind of like Hong Kongs: as long as you obey the local laws and support yourself and aren't a burden on anyone else, welcome to Hong Kong!

Toronto would face some challenges due to its being comparatively landlocked. But it does have a port and sits on a major lake that gives access to the Atlantic ocean, so that's still something. Also, with free trade with the US, anything from the US could just cross the lake into Toronto and vice versa.

This could also allow Toronto to play the rest of Canada and the US against one another. Since Toronto would be quite dependent on those markets, it could encourage Canada and the US to trade more freely with other countries around the world so that Toronto could then access their markets through either the US or the Canadian one.

Better yet, imagine Ontario voting to become a Special Administrative Region in the Constitution. If Quebec decided to join Ontario in this region, we'd then have a massive free economic zone representing around 1/2 of the Canadian polutation with the St laurence Seaway within its borders with direct access to the Atlantic ocean, unilateral global free trade, and open migration to those who can support themselves.
 

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I live in Toronto. I'd love for the Constitution of Canada to recognize Toronto as a Special Administrative Region under a Basic Law that would entrench the International Covenanant on Civil and Political Rights (so no more separate Catholic and Protestant schools to the exclusion of all others), and that would allow the City of Toronto to adopt unilateral global free trade. This would allow Toronto to unilaterally drop all tariffs and quotas and then negotiate its own trade agreement with the rest of Canada, the US, and other states around the world. It could even adopt its own immigration policy too. I kind of like Hong Kongs: as long as you obey the local laws and support yourself and aren't a burden on anyone else, welcome to Hong Kong!
Toronto would face some challenges due to its being comparatively landlocked. But it does have a port and sits on a major lake that gives access to the Atlantic ocean, so that's still something. Also, with free trade with the US, anything from the US could just cross the lake into Toronto and vice versa.
This could also allow Toronto to play the rest of Canada and the US against one another. Since Toronto would be quite dependent on those markets, it could encourage Canada and the US to trade more freely with other countries around the world so that Toronto could then access their markets through either the US or the Canadian one.
Better yet, imagine Ontario voting to become a Special Administrative Region in the Constitution. If Quebec decided to join Ontario in this region, we'd then have a massive free economic zone representing around 1/2 of the Canadian polutation with the St laurence Seaway within its borders with direct access to the Atlantic ocean, unilateral global free trade, and open migration to those who can support themselves.
ANd fukk up the economy even more. Free migration means that we will soon have third world pay and safety.
 

White_Unifier

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ANd fukk up the economy even more. Free migration means that we will soon have third world pay and safety.

And that's why resourceless Hong Kong and Singapore are more successful than Canada? They both have more open borders than Canada even in immigration. The only difference is that while it's much easier to get a work permit, it's more difficult to obtain permanent residence and citizenship.
 

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How did you ever come up with that? Resources belong to the provinces. All Ottawa does is steal what they can when nobody is looking and add to the cost to consumers.

Resources belong to whoever owns them - and whoever sells them pays the federal government a fee or tax or "excise"
 

Cannuck

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Kenny wants to bring in legislation so he can tell private companies who they can sell to and how much.


****in' socialist!!
 

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