It's time to bring the death penalty back!

Starscream

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It really doesn't matter if you want it or not. You are free to have any opinion you want to. But killing someone for any reason is murder. But that is not why we don't do it any more. Prisoners are worth more alive than dead. Read the pdf I posted the link to in my post #138. Maybe then you might understand why you wish will not be fulfilled.

You actually think some pdf file will change my mind about the issue? No it won't. I know capital punishment would never return in this country, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want its return. You explain to me why murderers should be kept alive and well (and go on to take college and university courses for free) on our tax dollars while the families of their victims have to tread through life without their loved ones, a pain that haunts them everyday from dawn till dusk.

So killing someone for any reason is murder huh? In that case our Canadian Forces troops in Afghanistan are all abunch of murderers then (go to your nearest Canadian Forces base and tell them that, and see what kind of reply you'll get). And so are our veterans of WW1, WW2, Korea, and any other conflict Canada has taken part in. I bet that means that any police officer whom had to kill a criminal to protect their own life is a murderer too. I guess you'd better add Israel in that list too seeing that the jewish state (surrounded by historical, and traditional enemies) tries to take out terrorists before they innocent people.
 

VanIsle

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The trial may not have been corrupt per se, but the system was certainly lacking in its ability to deliver any sense of justice in holmolka's case.

How is it that this woman with barely a high school education was able to completely bamfoozle everyone into believing her right up until it was too late, and she had the deal in her evil paws? It simply defies belief.
Because she played the "battered women" role and she played it well. A part of the legal system that was moving forward well but is under a bit of a cloud of doubt because of her. She looked the picture of innocence and how many of us would ever have believed that this innocent looking battered woman would murder her own sister? She certainly did bamboozle everyone. It was quite the learning experience for everyone wasn't it?! I don't believe that this particular case had anything to do with corruption. She just did a number on everyone. The woman is pure evil.
 

gerryh

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I gather, starscream, that you're willing to kill a few innocents in your zeal to kill the guilty.
 

VanIsle

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Dose, switch, trigger, what ever your preference. I'd do it if it meant a murderer gets whats coming to them.
Well then if you have that ability, you have nothing to feel proud of. You, in my opinion are no better. You, in my eyes, would be a murderer and then who would you choose to dose, switch, or trigger you? Doesn't matter what colour you paint it, murder is murder and you would be tarnished. In truth, unless you too are evil, I seriously doubt you could dose, switch or trigger and if you can, how sad for you. The mere thought gives me chills and they certainly are not from pleasure.
 

VanIsle

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Why would an innocent be executed?
What innocent? You would not be innocent. You would be a killer. It's kind of like saying that olive oil is good for you so you can eat all you want and you won't gain weight. Not true. Facts are facts and murder is murder. Once you have committed the act, you are now one of "them".
 

Starscream

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Well then if you have that ability, you have nothing to feel proud of. You, in my opinion are no better. You, in my eyes, would be a murderer and then who would you choose to dose, switch, or trigger you? Doesn't matter what colour you paint it, murder is murder and you would be tarnished. In truth, unless you too are evil, I seriously doubt you could dose, switch or trigger and if you can, how sad for you. The mere thought gives me chills and they certainly are not from pleasure.

Call me whatever name in the book you want if it makes you feel better. My position on capital punishment still stands. You want to talk about truth? Here's the truth, you know nothing about me, what I do, people I hang around with, passtimes, nor anything of the sort. And yet you call me a murderer, tarnished, and you tell me what I would and would not do, and the only thing you base all your bantering on is my stand on capital punishment. And I'm the one who's sad?
 

VanIsle

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Capital punishment is always an interesting debate. Personally, my own position on it seems to vary, depending on the case(s).

Of course, executing an innocent person is as bad as anything gets, but in my own mind I can't seem to come up with a reasonable, workable, acceptable alternative to address those cases where someone is actually guilty of murder, "beyond a shadow of a doubt."

Anybody have an opinion on how "justice could be served" without the death penalty, in those "guilty" cases?
Yes. They need to be place on a far away remote piece of land where they cannot leave in any way or have contact with the outside world in any way. The outside world will have contact with them in a minute sort of way. A place where they are guarded (heavily) and that can only be accessed via airplane. No television, no radio. No chance of leaving until they fit a pine box after dying of old age. No chance of parole. All the cases being cited here are old and where the DNA has freed them. In the future, DNA will probably only convict.
 

JLM

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It really doesn't matter if you want it or not. You are free to have any opinion you want to. But killing someone for any reason is murder. But that is not why we don't do it any more. Prisoners are worth more alive than dead. Read the pdf I posted the link to in my post #138. Maybe then you might understand why you wish will not be fulfilled.

I agree with you on lots of things Cliff, but here I differ as I think it's a fact that a few people in this world need killing.
 

Starscream

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What innocent? You would not be innocent. You would be a killer. It's kind of like saying that olive oil is good for you so you can eat all you want and you won't gain weight. Not true. Facts are facts and murder is murder. Once you have committed the act, you are now one of "them".

:roll: You have no idea what me and gerryh are talking about.
 

JLM

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Why would an innocent person be found guilty?

That, unfortunately has happened and it's a fact of life we have to consider very carefully. However to balance the scenario, shouldn't we be just as concerned about the innocent victims of the heinous bastards who have been PROVEN guilty?
 

VanIsle

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Call me whatever name in the book you want if it makes you feel better. My position on capital punishment still stands. You want to talk about truth? Here's the truth, you know nothing about me, what I do, people I hang around with, passtimes, nor anything of the sort. And yet you call me a murderer, tarnished, and you tell me what I would and would not do, and the only thing you base all your bantering on is my stand on capital punishment. And I'm the one who's sad?
Read what I said properly. I said IF you could do what you say then you are a murderer and you would be. I don't need to call you anything - and no - it won't make me feel better. We never heard of Karla Holmolka and never knew what she was like or who she hung out with etc. etc. yet she committed a horrendous crime. You think you would be innocent because you would commit the same crime via legal means. It doesn't change the facts. Murder is still murder no matter how you slice it! I'm not bantering you. That's beyond silly. I did not call you a murderer. I said that IF you were willing to be the one you would be a murderer and I also said I didn't think you could actually do it. If you really can do it then I have no use for you. End of story.
 

JLM

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Yes. They need to be place on a far away remote piece of land where they cannot leave in any way or have contact with the outside world in any way. The outside world will have contact with them in a minute sort of way. A place where they are guarded (heavily) and that can only be accessed via airplane. No television, no radio. No chance of leaving until they fit a pine box after dying of old age. No chance of parole. All the cases being cited here are old and where the DNA has freed them. In the future, DNA will probably only convict.


Would the moon count as a "far away remote piece of land"................:lol::lol::lol:
 

VanIsle

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That, unfortunately has happened and it's a fact of life we have to consider very carefully. However to balance the scenario, shouldn't we be just as concerned about the innocent victims of the heinous bastards who have been PROVEN guilty?
JLM, he's talking about himself. It is his position (and you may even agree with him) that if he takes the life of another human in the name of justice, then he is innocent. It is my position that if he takes the life of another human, he is no better and should be the next in line for prison.