It's Illegal For The Government To Enforce Laws That Aren't Publicly Disclosed ...

[PoliticalNick]

The criminal code is quite easy to understand.

As usual Bear you ignore the meat of the post and only address 1 little point in your reply. The CCC may be relatively easy to understand for an educated and reasonably intelligent person but there are many who would have trouble understanding a lot of it.

Now when it comes to statutes we are supposed to adhere to there are many well trained lawyers who have trouble understanding such things as the Income Tax Act, Motor Vehicle Act, Insurance Act, Land Title Act etc. You may have a degree in legalese but most people don't. I have read some parts of some of these acts and had to reread them many times and still wonder if I understand what is being said.

Please feel free to reply to the entire post next time.

 

[wizard]

How many Canadians would actually do that? Despite the criticism of Wizard, he/she does raise a valid point. People can be fined or jailed because of what is written in the occupational health and safety laws and most people have no idea what is written in there. It's easy to say that the information is available and people should read it. They simply don't and it is a combination of two things. They are not capable of reading it or understanding it and they do not have the time because they are too busy living their lives. Our legal system is too complex for the average person and the system does not take that into account sometimes.

... excellent post! thank you for your feedback ...

... all i'm saying is that while ignorance of the law is often cited as no excuse for breaking it, it seems to me that ignorance of all of the many unpublicized laws enacted by the government IS a damn good excuse for not knowing that the law exists ...

... i mean, not only are there hundreds of laws already in existence, but the government is coming up with new ones every week. how can anyone know what all the laws are? they can't ...

... hell, even the professionals like lawyers and judges don't know all of the rules. in fact, judges have to be reminded of the laws all the time when they hear court cases ...

 

[CDNBear]

I'm disappointed. Clearly the case of murder was being used as an example. While I wouldn't expect some of the forum simpletons to grasp the general gist behind the OP, I've come to expect a little more from you.

Wizard wrote the OP, why wouldn't he get the gist behind it, hypocrite?

As usual Bear you ignore the meat of the post and only address 1 little point in your reply. The CCC may be relatively easy to understand for an educated and reasonably intelligent person but there are many who would have trouble understanding a lot of it.

I've witnessed lenient sentences because of ignorance of the law. Usually on petty things.

Now when it comes to statutes we are supposed to adhere to there are many well trained lawyers who have trouble understanding such things as the Income Tax Act, Motor Vehicle Act, Insurance Act, Land Title Act etc. You may have a degree in legalese but most people don't. I have read some parts of some of these acts and had to reread them many times and still wonder if I understand what is being said.

That's why lawyers specialize in specific areas.

Please feel free to reply to the entire post next time.

Feel free to interest me with the rest of your post next time.

 

[Cannuck]

Now when it comes to statutes we are supposed to adhere to there are many well trained lawyers who have trouble understanding such things as the Income Tax Act, Motor Vehicle Act, Insurance Act, Land Title Act etc. You may have a degree in legalese but most people don't. I have read some parts of some of these acts and had to reread them many times and still wonder if I understand what is being said.

Lawyers don't even work on all types of law. That's why we have family lawyers, criminal lawyers. When my wife's issue with dementia came to light, there were alot of legal issues to be dealt with and none of the local lawyers felt comfortable getting involved. I guess they were all idiots in the eyes of the forum simpletons.

 

[CDNBear]

Blind insults are for cowardly hypocrites, cannuck.

 

[Cannuck]

Blind insults are for cowardly hypocrites, cannuck.

Only an forum simpleton would think it a blind insult. Why don't you run along CB and let us grownups discuss this topic. It's obviously over your head.

 

[Goober]

I do know the axiom 'ignorance of the law is not a defense' but realistically if an average person were to read to the point of comprehension every law and statute in the CCC and all the various acts both federal and provincial it would take a lifetime. QUOTE]

There is an old saying - If you do not think it is right it most likely is not right. Or if you believe it is wrong than it is probably illegal as well.

Caution - Certain prerequisites are required for the above statements.

1 - A conscience
2 - Having an idea of what is right and wrong
3 - A little bit of intelligence is always useful as hell.

 

[CDNBear]

Only an forum simpleton would think it a blind insult. Why don't you run along CB and let us grownups discuss this topic. It's obviously over your head.

Wow, hypocrites do get upset when you call them hypocrites.

Maybe you should turn off the computer for a while. The net seems to up set you so.

 

[TenPenny]

If you aren't connecting the two, perhaps a new paragraph might be in order to eliminate confusion.

So are you now saying that people with average (and maybe even above average) intelligence may be ignorant of the law in some cases?

If you ever learn to read, and more importantly, to think about what you've read, let us know.

 

[Cannuck]

If you ever learn to read, and more importantly, to think about what you've read, let us know.

If you ever care to answer the question, let me know

 

[CDNBear]

If you ever learn to read, and more importantly, to think about what you've read, let us know.

You forgot this gem Ten...

Lawyers don't even work on all types of law. That's why we have family lawyers, criminal lawyers. When my wife's issue with dementia came to light, there were alot of legal issues to be dealt with and none of the local lawyers felt comfortable getting involved. I guess they were all idiots in the eyes of the forum simpletons.

When some people make mistakes, they just make stuff up to distract form it, instead of just manning up.

One of cannucks biggest failings. Well that and being a hypocrite.

 

[PoliticalNick]

There is an old saying - If you do not think it is right it most likely is not right. Or if you believe it is wrong than it is probably illegal as well.

Caution - Certain prerequisites are required for the above statements.

1 - A conscience
2 - Having an idea of what is right and wrong
3 - A little bit of intelligence is always useful as hell.

I can't disagree with this Goober and in regard to the criminal code it probably holds true most of the time though not always.

When it comes to most of the Acts it all becomes a shot in the dark. Catching a fish to feed my hungry children is of good conscience, would seem to be right and even seem smart but god forbid I catch that fish in the wrong place or on the wrong day. I could lose my truck and boat and have to pay a hefty fine just because I don't want to listen to children cry over hunger.

 

[wizard]

Lawyers don't even work on all types of law. That's why we have family lawyers, criminal lawyers. When my wife's issue with dementia came to light, there were alot of legal issues to be dealt with and none of the local lawyers felt comfortable getting involved. I guess they were all idiots in the eyes of the forum simpletons.

... another great nugget of wisdom from canuck! keep it up! love your posts and thanks for your opinion ...

 

[damngrumpy]

This individual has been listening to groups like the Tea Party for too long. As someone
said, the government makes the laws the police find those who break the law and the
judiciary then interprets and administers the law. The only exception is the BC .05% law
where the police can do what ever the hell they like. Well that too may change because
parts of it are being stuck down by a judge who deems it goes too far.
For heaven sake, the law is the law and everyone knows, you can't go around killing
people, or committing fraud or a host of other crimes. They have been enforcing the law
for nearly a hundred and fifty years and if you don't know the law I suggest you go to a
library or get on the Internet and find out what they are. Everyone but you knows about
them what does that suggest?

 

[DaSleeper]

... excellent post! thank you for your feedback ...

... all i'm saying is that while ignorance of the law is often cited as no excuse for breaking it, it seems to me that ignorance of all of the many unpublicized laws enacted by the government IS a damn good excuse for not knowing that the law exists ...

... i mean, not only are there hundreds of laws already in existence, but the government is coming up with new ones every week. how can anyone know what all the laws are? they can't ...

... hell, even the professionals like lawyers and judges don't know all of the rules. in fact, judges have to be reminded of the laws all the time when they hear court cases ...

... another great nugget of wisdom from canuck! keep it up! love your posts and thanks for your opinion ...

With Kudos like that, Canuck's hat will never fit him in the morning;-)

 

[CDNBear]

When it comes to most of the Acts it all becomes a shot in the dark. Catching a fish to feed my hungry children is of good conscience, would seem to be right and even seem smart but god forbid I catch that fish in the wrong place or on the wrong day. I could lose my truck and boat and have to pay a hefty fine just because I don't want to listen to children cry over hunger.

Not that I disagree with what you're trying to say here, there is a legal argument against it.

We have a social safety net.

But I do know of CO's turning a blind eye to poaching because they knew the game was going to provide for a family in need.

With Kudos like that, Canuck's hat will never fit him in the morning:wink:

That's only because cannucks principles have the consistency of warm jello. Under any other circumstance, he would be allover the wiz.

 

[Cannuck]

This individual has been listening to groups like the Tea Party for too long. As someone
said, the government makes the laws the police find those who break the law and the
judiciary then interprets and administers the law. The only exception is the BC .05% law
where the police can do what ever the hell they like. Well that too may change because
parts of it are being stuck down by a judge who deems it goes too far.
For heaven sake, the law is the law and everyone knows, you can't go around killing
people, or committing fraud or a host of other crimes. They have been enforcing the law
for nearly a hundred and fifty years and if you don't know the law I suggest you go to a
library or get on the Internet and find out what they are. Everyone but you knows about
them what does that suggest?

As has been pointed out, not all lawyers deal in criminal law or family law or tax law. It`s simply laughable for people liKe you to tell people to go to a library when lawyer have spent years in school and still don`t practice all disciplines.

 

[TenPenny]

If you ever care to answer the question, let me know

oooh, I can use italics, and bold.

Let me know if you can ever understand what I wrote, not what your brain comes up with.

 

[wizard]

This individual has been listening to groups like the Tea Party for too long. As someone
said, the government makes the laws the police find those who break the law and the
judiciary then interprets and administers the law. The only exception is the BC .05% law
where the police can do what ever the hell they like. Well that too may change because
parts of it are being stuck down by a judge who deems it goes too far.
For heaven sake, the law is the law and everyone knows, you can't go around killing
people, or committing fraud or a host of other crimes. They have been enforcing the law
for nearly a hundred and fifty years and if you don't know the law I suggest you go to a
library or get on the Internet and find out what they are. Everyone but you knows about
them what does that suggest?

... good post ...

... but if the law is so bloody important in canada -- and it is, violating the law can cost you your job, your family, all your money, your house -- then shouldn't there be better disclosure of all the laws and how important they are? if the law is so important to the government then why isn't it taught in school?

... could there be a motive for the government keeping the rules semi-secret? could it be in the interests of the government to keep the laws secret so people end up breaking them? it's like speeding laws. if it's against the law to drive a vehicle in excess of 100 km/hr, why does the goverment allow the sale of cars that can go so much faster than that?

 

[TenPenny]

... good post ...

... but if the law is so bloody important in canada -- and it is, violating the law can cost you your job, your family, all your money, your house -- then shouldn't there be better disclosure of all the laws and how important they are?

Every law, in order to be in effect, must be published in The Royal Gazette.

That's called 'disclosure'. You did know that, right? It's one of the fundamental parts of our system.