Italian Cruise Line disaster

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Now that could be a huge problem. Especially if the ship slips anymore. I expected that a plan would be in place long before now.

Looks like this might require some time to get right.

They need to do this properly to avoid another ecological disaster.
 

#juan

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Yeah, I kind of figured they'd have a line on it by now anchored to a stump! :lol:

That is not such a far out idea. They have a whole island to anchor that ship to. I think I read that there is something
like 2000 tons of oil/fuel in that ship that could be pumped out anytime as long as they are confident that the ship is
not going to sink in the process.
Another thing I don't understand is that the holes and gashes in the ship are above water right now and presumably
could be repaired whenever they want to get at it.
 

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That is not such a far out idea. They have a whole island to anchor that ship to. I think I read that there is something
like 2000 tons of oil/fuel in that ship that could be pumped out anytime as long as they are confident that the ship is
not going to sink in the process.
Another thing I don't understand is that the holes and gashes in the ship are above water right now and presumably
could be repaired whenever they want to get at it.

I' m assuming the ship isn't stable enough yet, because it sure looks like you could get a couple of welders and some plate on there pretty easily to cover the holes, then start pumping it out and right it.
 

#juan

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I' m assuming the ship isn't stable enough yet, because it sure looks like you could get a couple of welders and some plate on there pretty easily to cover the holes, then start pumping it out and right it.

Yeah. It doesn't have to look pretty. It would just have to get the ship to the dry dock.
 

JLM

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Yeah. It doesn't have to look pretty. It would just have to get the ship to the dry dock.

Maybe a couple of us should head over there. Maybe those "pizza makers" don't know about fixing boats! :lol: (Ooooops I shouldn't have said that, there will be some sh*t about racism from the usual suspect) :lol::lol:
 

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There are a few things about this story that should give us pause for thought in
making decisions as to whether this type of holiday is right for our personal set
of circumstances. Speaking first about the life boat drill, people didn't have one
but if they did who would attend? Seriously, if you fly a lot, you know as well as
I do that people are talking and reading and doing God knows what else while
those in charge do the safety drill. Many would not survive in a minor incident
simply because they did not pay attention.
There is the thought also, that a cruise does put some people at risk. For instance
those who are infirm, or handicapped, those who are elderly and very young kids.
Being on the open sea is like flying a jet to Asia. There is a limited risk in flying
but its a short period in terms of the entire adventure so the period of risk is quite
minimal. A cruise on the other hand is a risk at all times, there is no safe harbour
in times of trouble only the skill of those in charge give you an edge during the
entire trip.
We need to ensure the Captains and crews are well qualified. That is not always
the case, as people are hired who will work cheap in many cases, and they are
not usually the most qualified. It might suggest its a Dutch cruise ship, or a
Swedish cruise ship but the crew could come from anywhere. People have to in
fact assess what the odds are of a serious problem, and what their personal
chances for survival are. If the person is comfortable with the risk factor fine but
all too often people ignore the risk, they ignore the possibility of problems and
they just go along.
Risk could come from everything from heart trouble to not being able to swim.
 

JLM

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There are a few things about this story that should give us pause for thought in
making decisions as to whether this type of holiday is right for our personal set
of circumstances. Speaking first about the life boat drill, people didn't have one
but if they did who would attend? Seriously, if you fly a lot, you know as well as
I do that people are talking and reading and doing God knows what else while
those in charge do the safety drill. Many would not survive in a minor incident
simply because they did not pay attention.
There is the thought also, that a cruise does put some people at risk. For instance
those who are infirm, or handicapped, those who are elderly and very young kids.
Being on the open sea is like flying a jet to Asia. There is a limited risk in flying
but its a short period in terms of the entire adventure so the period of risk is quite
minimal. A cruise on the other hand is a risk at all times, there is no safe harbour
in times of trouble only the skill of those in charge give you an edge during the
entire trip.
We need to ensure the Captains and crews are well qualified. That is not always
the case, as people are hired who will work cheap in many cases, and they are
not usually the most qualified. It might suggest its a Dutch cruise ship, or a
Swedish cruise ship but the crew could come from anywhere. People have to in
fact assess what the odds are of a serious problem, and what their personal
chances for survival are. If the person is comfortable with the risk factor fine but
all too often people ignore the risk, they ignore the possibility of problems and
they just go along.
Risk could come from everything from heart trouble to not being able to swim.

I think the safest holiday (for me) is by truck where I do the driving!
 

WLDB

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Everything I read was 4 compartments out of 9 could be flooded. The iceberg flooded 5. If they had made the bulkheads run all the way to the top and not stop 2/3 of the way up, it would not have sunk either.

There were 16 compartments. They wouldnt have had to have all of the watertight bulkheads go up to the top, only a couple. They improved Titanic's two sisterships by raising only four of the bulkheads to B-Deck. The others remained where they were.

I know original specs had more lifeboats but the WhiteStar Line removed some because they looked ugly and detracted fromt he assertion that it was unsinkable.

Neither White Star Line nor Harland and Wolff ever claimed the ship was unsinkable. That was a gimmick invented by the press.

I' m assuming the ship isn't stable enough yet, because it sure looks like you could get a couple of welders and some plate on there pretty easily to cover the holes, then start pumping it out and right it.

That would account for the damage that can be seen above water. There's also hundreds of windows under water that'd be letting water right back in again.
 

#juan

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Maybe a couple of us should head over there. Maybe those "pizza makers" don't know about fixing boats! :lol: (Ooooops I shouldn't have said that, there will be some sh*t about racism from the usual suspect) :lol::lol:

One thing we havn't yet addressed is what sort of a deal the insurance companies have. Will they write the ship off
or repair it? How much are the insurance companies liable for? Will it cover the cost of repairs? I'm guessing that
the company that employed the captain will have to eat a sizable portion of the bill.
 

JLM

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One thing we havn't yet addressed is what sort of a deal the insurance companies have. Will they write the ship off
or repair it? How much are the insurance companies liable for? Will it cover the cost of repairs? I'm guessing that
the company that employed the captain will have to eat a sizable portion of the bill.

Over THERE, who knows!! Whatever they pay, they'll get it out of the captain's hide while he's breaking rocks at 10 lira a week! :lol:
 

bill barilko

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One thing we havn't yet addressed is what sort of a deal the insurance companies have. Will they write the ship off or repair it?
I can't see anyone ever booking a trip aboard that hulk ever again can you?

How much are the insurance companies liable for? Will it cover the cost of repairs? I'm guessing that the company that employed the captain will have to eat a sizable portion of the bill.
With a company as big as Carnival wouldn't they insure themselves?

Depends on gubmint regoolayshun I suppose.
 

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It's appropriate that it happened in the year which sees the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic.

I was surprised to learn that the Costa Concordia is bigger than the Titanic was.
 

JLM

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It's appropriate that it happened in the year which sees the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic.

I was surprised to learn that the Costa Concordia is bigger than the Titanic was.

I wasn't as the C.C. was carrying twice the # of passengers as the Titanic. :smile:
 

WLDB

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I was surprised to learn that the Costa Concordia is bigger than the Titanic was.

The Titanic is pretty small compared to most cruise ships today. It was 100 years ago after all. The CC is three times the size of the Titanic in terms of weight. Even if the Titanic hadn't sank it would have lost the title of largest ship in the world within a few months.